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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Adsolution. Thank you for your time. That's the reply what I needed.
Word of advice: Professional mixes like the Rayman 2 soundtrack should be your point of reference, as they're already balanced to near perfection.
Actually, this 44kHz material today is sometimes suitable for remastering. Old samples, uneven quality. But yes, they are.
I would highly advise you not to think that you know better than Éric Chevalier
I know what you mean, but remember that original 44kHz is not commonly know files to this reference since are heavly compressed 22kHz which are none point of reference. Let's say that 22kHz files thinks that they're know better than composer.

Well, please be forgiving cause I still learning. And for the record, I didn't use X-Fi Crystalizer for those files, if you're interested, listen to this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mtz2sbckadrda ... %20nmr.wav
Too much bass, sometimes hiss, but far more better than DC/PS2 I guess.
There is Crystalizer.
Actually, that sounds really good. It sounds really crisp in some places. Nice work! It's a pity that it's riddled with the pops and clicks I mentioned though. And the maximum frequency in your file is about 24kHz, so you could just have made it a 48kHz file too. :P
Try doing the same with my file and I'm pretty sure you'll get better results. ;)
Source is gameplay. Should be same source for tweaking like Droolie's files. It isn't.
In this file I see example of sense of doing all of it. I have more.
original:
http://hosting.raymanpc.com/raytunes/mu ... 0Glade.mp3
http://hosting.raymanpc.com/raytunes/mu ... eprise.mp3

If it's not too much, can you say me what some kind of crystalizer/plugins/vst/options in some DAW will be the best for this purposes? Cause I achieve really good results with this X-Fi, but my point of reference should be enhanced.
Also, there's nothing you can do to restore the super-11 khz frequencies in the RayTunes soundtrack, as they simply do not exist.
I'd like to move that what I'm hear for all soundsystems, since I like my files more.
it's up to you to apply an EQ in Windows that sounds good to you as it likely won't sound good to anyone with a different system
Right thing but, I need just better reference and all have better music, since no professional doing things like as this, and I already made something like that before

Once again, thank you for exhaustive response and forbearance.

@technology4617
Malice is sometimes necessary in getting a point across
Don't excuse your self, you was just unkind, and you just insult me.
Now I demand apology for vocabulary for above sentence, and official warning from moderator for offence of other user. I can read all of it. I will not be offended.
he's outright demanding for his re-EQed version
No, I asked first to verify the quality. I met with hostility when I tried do anything, with you and the same with Droolie, and I met with relative, evasive responses which wasn't serious from both sides. Your was this offensive. The end doesn't justifies the means.
saying that the version Drolpiraat had on RayTunes was horrible, and arrogantly assuming his product
I still master my English, which has some manners which I still learning. My point wasn't to show arrogance, but will of help. I said some words of respect for his rip for solid and mass of work requiring specialist knowledge. No doubt.
implying that Drolpiraat did a terrible job and that he could do better, when he in fact hadn't a clue what he was talking about
Method of acquisition files is not my part, only final effect.
And if it was an actual "fanwork" (as in, if it wasn't simply a re-EQing)
34 band EQ+ Noise sharpening. There wasn't X-Fi Crystalizer there - this method is more complicated, but it's better.
About my method, you don't know amount of work which I put to sound all of it reference; but my point of reference has weaknesses unfortunately. That's why it's bad for you, good to me.
You jump to conclusions and isult me to just beat me down. And you did it again. You don't have respect.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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I am here on Tech's side 100% and I think what he said to Deton is well deserved and needed.
He was pissing me off as well for longer time.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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OldClassicGamer wrote:I am here on Tech's side 100% and I think what he said to Deton is well deserved and needed.
No, no and no. You people need to learn to control yourselves better.
technology4617 wrote:Malice is sometimes necessary in getting a point across
Hardly. It can sometimes be used as a humourous ornament or to show emphasis/passion, but rarely if ever does it actually serve any kind of a constructive purpose, and it's often used in place of actual wit. I'm sure you're well-aware that a better result could be achieved without malice - if you want to let off steam, do it elsewhere.
deton24 wrote:and official warning from moderator
That isn't for you to request. Bear in mind that you haven't really been doing so well in this thread either, you've been outright ignoring large portions of what people have been telling you with a fairly closed mindset, so if I were you, I wouldn't feel too surprised about there being some people like technology going all-out on you. It doesn't necessarily make what they're doing right, but given your tendency to completely ignore factual evidence and the friendly advice people have to offer, you're kind of asking for it.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Adsolution wrote:
technology4617 wrote:Malice is sometimes necessary in getting a point across
Hardly. It can sometimes be used as a humourous ornament or to show emphasis/passion, but rarely if ever does it actually serve any kind of a constructive purpose, and it's often used in place of actual wit. I'm sure you're well-aware that a better result could be achieved without malice - if you want to let off steam, do it elsewhere.
While negative reenforcement may not be the best teacher, it's often an effective one. Aside from that, while my tone was harsh, I'm just going to come out and say that I honestly don't think it was unjustified in the slightest.

Also, it makes no bloody sense to let off steam about the topic at hand elsewhere, as this is the topic at hand. :roll:
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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technology4617 wrote:Also, it makes no bloody sense to let off steam about the topic at hand elsewhere, as this is the topic at hand. :roll:
Well, I was hinting at doing so in private, or via some other outlet.

technology4617 wrote:I get saying this basically proves your point about the comparison to my statement, but this was still quite hurtful regardless (especially since I was attempting to defend Drolpiraat), and while less nasty than I originally thought you meant, is still arguably nastier than anything I've said to deton. :?
I hardly think that calling a derogatory comment 'worthless' is more hurtful than calling someone's work 'worthless'.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Adsolution wrote:
technology4617 wrote:I get saying this basically proves your point about the comparison to my statement, but this was still quite hurtful regardless (especially since I was attempting to defend Drolpiraat), and while less nasty than I originally thought you meant, is still arguably nastier than anything I've said to deton. :?
I hardly think that calling a derogatory comment 'worthless' is more hurtful than calling someone's work 'worthless'.
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"Well, since a mod told technology to be more polite, everyone obviously hates him, and now would be the perfect time to outright demand for an apology and moderator action. I also like to look at how someone is saying something, rather than the substance of what they're saying, because insults hurt my feelings. I also like to jack off to child pornography while I'm at it."
-deton24

And, also, if you don't have adequate expertise, you really shouldn't be uploading things to even be considered for RayTunes, and I'm not saying this to be mean at all; you simply don't have enough experience to take part in discussions such as these and be remotely helpful, and constantly badgering Drolpiraat about the sound quality of his rips when you clearly don't know what you're talking about serves to be naught an extreme annoyance, hence why you got all the negative replies you did.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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That isn't for you to request. Bear in mind that you haven't really been doing so well in this thread either, you've been outright ignoring large portions of what people have been telling you with a fairly closed mindset, so if I were you, I wouldn't feel too surprised about there being some people like technology going all-out on you. It doesn't necessarily make what they're doing right, but given your tendency to completely ignore factual evidence and the friendly advice people have to offer, you're kind of asking for it.
I promis to considerate it.

But I demand more civilized way of describing your feelings technology4617, and also delete parts of your sentences which directly and obscene insults my person. Your behave is unacceptable and you bring almost nothing to topic.

I please mod for censure this sentences:
http://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 80#p974441
"I also like to j.."
and that:
http://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... 60#p974322
"I find that attitude extremely dislikable.."
or I gonna write to higher instances of authorities in this board.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:or I gonna write to higher instances of authorities in this board.
Thank you
Threatening moderators... Cool.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:I please mod for censure this sentences:
(...)
or I gonna write to higher instances of authorities in this board.
Stating that this is an invasion of privacy is a big stretch. The forum does not advocate censorship unless under extreme circumstances, so you will not have any higher of a chance of getting your way by shouting out to the administrators.

Both of you, quit it, this is childish, both the wasteful personal attacks and the insistent requests for censorship.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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I'd say this thread has run it's course, While I'm certainly not in a position to deny people the right to ask questions and share their works, the tone that is being used by certain posters in this thead has made a constructive discussion impossible. Better to lock it down to prevent further damage. The OP should be free to start another discussion, but clear boundries should be present in order to avoid that dicussion getting out of hand as well.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Adsolution wrote:
technology4617 wrote:Also, it makes no bloody sense to let off steam about the topic at hand elsewhere, as this is the topic at hand. :roll:
Well, I was hinting at doing so in private, or via some other outlet.
I've always thought it better to discuss someone in front of their face rather than behind their back, and because of this I don't really like to make how I feel about any particular person secret.
Adsolution wrote:Both of you, quit it, this is childish, both the wasteful personal attacks
The only "personal attacks" I've made were in two posts on the previous page, so I don't much understand this accusation, and I thought it was pretty blatantly obvious that I wasn't being serious with my reason posts. "Quit it" doesn't make sense in this context since that implies that there's something to quit in the first place. :? That being said, I admittedly am getting quite sick of this debacle, though, so I'd be happy for it to simply cease.
Robbert Ambrose wrote:I'd say this thread has run it's course, While I'm certainly not in a position to deny people the right to ask questions and share their works, the tone that is being used by certain posters in this thead has made a constructive discussion impossible. Better to lock it down to prevent further damage. The OP should be free to start another discussion, but clear boundries should be present in order to avoid that dicussion getting out of hand as well.
I'd say the only person making constructive discussion impossible is deton, as the issue has already been explained to him, making further constructive discussion literally impossible. Because of this, though, I do agree it should be locked.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:You want good and your are called pedophile
and for mod it would be censorship to react.
Yes, that discuss has made very childish.
But please leave it open. I am not like this.
When on earth did anyone call Tech a pedophile, what are you talking about? :boon:
Also, screw censorship.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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OldClassicGamer wrote:
deton24 wrote:You want good and your are called pedophile
and for mod it would be censorship to react.
Yes, that discuss has made very childish.
But please leave it open. I am not like this.
When on earth did anyone call Tech a pedophile, what are you talking about? :boon:
I believe he's referring to a comment I made in my joke impression of him, but still, :boon:

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deton24 wrote:But please leave it open. I am not like this.
There is no point in leaving it open, since the issue has already been resolved and the resolution explained to you: your "after-effects" are not needed because no further enhancements on the already-perfect rips from the game are necessary, and that any imperfections you hear in the audio are simply due to you having a poor sound system. If you actually payed attention to the substance of what people were saying to you, rather than how they were saying what they were saying, you would realize this.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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I could probably also add that the OP's difficulty in expressing himself in English is another barrier in this discussion, If anything I would advice deton24 to take some time in mastering the English Language as otherwise any future discussion will be severely impeded by the lack of mutual understanding.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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This topic is really getting out of hand. I would have given everyone a last chance for civilized discussion but I believe that won't be possible anymore - not in this topic. It is high time this was locked.

Tech, perhaps it might be better not to reply if deton24 ticks you off again. His arrogance and stubbornness can be quite annoying, yes, and it was good of you to try to defend me, but control yourself. He might basically be asking for it with his behavior, but insulting him, even satirically, only makes it worse.

Deton24, you are free to create a new topic for your remasters of the Rayman soundtracks. Not everyone may be interested in them but those people should then simply not reply to that topic. But I ask that next time you post on any forum, not just this one, you follow these guidelines:
  • Think about what people say to you and learn from it. Don't ignore facts when they are right in front of your eyes. In this whole topic, you have not showed any sign of understanding what you were told. Even when the evidence was clear, you preferred your own theories, saying that you "heard it". If you don't agree with an argument, bring factual evidence to counter those arguments. That is how a discussion works.
  • Take some lessons in the workings of digital and analog audio before pretending to know all about it.
  • Do not advertise your work in 5 different topics ( 1, 2, 3, 4 and this one ). One topic is more than enough.
  • Do not expect anyone to react positively when you insult his work. (the same goes for you too, tech - not insulting deton's work could have helped to keep the discussion calm)
  • When asking someone to answer your question, do not send him a private message, 2 e-mails and a facebook message for it in just 3 days. That is way too much and borderline creepy.
  • As Robbert said above, take some time in mastering the English language before starting a discussion like this one.
These are not really rules of this forum, but they are unspoken rules of any society. By not following them, you caused the headaches of several members of this community, and due to the fight that ultimately erupted, I was forced to lock this topic.

Lastly, I'd like to commend Adsolution and Robbert Ambrose for their approach to this topic, they made some of the wisest posts on the past few pages.

With this, this discussion is over and I bid you all adieu!
Drolpiraat.
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