PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

Post by deton24 »

They are the original Dreamcast music files
But they are not in the original, 44kHz, acceptable quality, and when I hear emulated Revolution I have doubts if there wasn't loss of data during process of getting these files.
but I fully respect that you like your own better
Thank you. And you have fully free will to more like original. Someone else?
But RayTunes is a site for Rayman music as it is, without modifications.
It's not any kind of remix, if it would has confirmed by some people better quality, why not to place it there. It's not changes content, but quality.
I understand everything, but when you listen to 44kHz PSX R2, don't say that you more like your quality because it's not modified :winkgrin:
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:
They are the original Dreamcast music files
But they are not in the original, 44kHz, acceptable quality
They are not in 44kHz because the only source we have that is 44kHz is the PS1 soundtrack which is quite incomplete. Of course I like that version more in terms of quality, but many people like completion more than quality. That's why I used the DC and PS2 versions for my rip, and not the PS1 one.
deton24 wrote:and when I hear emulated Revolution I have doubts if there wasn't loss of data during process of getting these files.
That's delusional. Try to get these files in a better way if you can. There was no loss of data.
deton24 wrote:
But RayTunes is a site for Rayman music as it is, without modifications.
It's not any kind of remix, if it would has confirmed by some people better quality, why not to place it there. It's not changes content, but quality.
It's still a modification, and I prefer the original. That shows that not all people think your modification provides better quality, so I have no reason to put it on RayTunes.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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That's delusional.
I can mistake, but have you ever heard more carefully PS2 version? Have you compared?
It's still a modification, and I prefer the original.
Ohh man, how big modification is real original quality xD
That shows that not all people think your modification provides better quality, so I have no reason to put it on RayTunes.
I don't trying to convince you. Your vote is major. But, otherwise, still no one more speak out in this case.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:
That's delusional.
I can mistake, but have you ever heard more carefully PS2 version? Have you compared?
Yes, I have played the PS2 version on a real PS2 with headphones. It is the same.
deton24 wrote:
It's still a modification, and I prefer the original.
Ohh man, how big modification is real original quality xD
Indeed, but we have no choice but to accept that one; we don't have a better complete source. Besides, your version is a modification of that modified soundtrack. Or have you forgotten that? ;)
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:Now your version is modified. Interesting.
Except I did not modify it. :) It was like that from the beginning, since the developers decided to compress the 44kHz version by reducing the sample rate to 22kHz. That is the modification I was talking about - and it can't be avoided as the only 44kHz version we have (the PS1 version) has bigger modifications (leaving out several parts of the audio).
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:This untouched rip is as far from original like from you to me.
My eyes have been raped.
deton24 wrote:Now your version is modified. Interesting.
*sigh*
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:My language don't allows me to express what I'm just thinking about you in this case. No offence. Let's call it relativism.
No, let's call it logic. :)

Also, learn to read!
deton24 wrote:downsample is some kind of modification too... :?
I said exactly that in my previous post:
Drolpiraat wrote:... the developers decided to compress the 44kHz version by reducing the sample rate to 22kHz. That is the modification I was talking about...
See?
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:
No, let's call it logic. :)
Let's pretend that was logic.
But what is there to pretend? ;)
deton24 wrote:
Also, learn to read!
Now you just go into particulars :/
I wasn't nitpicking, I was just replying to your whole post instead of replying to just a part of it. Like I do now.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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!! Attention, attention: Ladies and gentlemans.. I'd like to introduce -
Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc - enhanced quality version!
Based on Killy's version.
Foobar's DSP - Noise Sharpening 83, 33 bands graphical EQ. 1k25-20k touched Mp3 VBR V3 (intentionally)
Enjoy!
If list of files doesn't appears, press F5 for refresh of browser.
Share about feelings from listening. Maybe some songs sounds bad? Write me here.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Are you just trolling at this point or really this stupid? I'm genuinely curious.
deton24 wrote:Don't just look on, say something.
Everyone has repeatedly told you that they're not interested in a re-EQed rip, especially when it's this unprofessionally done (the treble is ridiculously over-exaggerated, for instance), since it's entirely a matter of preference and can't be counted as a legitimate improvement. If the developers wanted it to sound that way, that's what it would have sounded like, so please stop with your worthless "contributions" that everyone has repeatedly told you that they don't want. :boon:

Honestly, this topic should simply be locked as the original issue has already been resolved, and its utter worthlessness has become more than evident with deton's recent posts.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Mr. tough guy. Be more kind.
I don't choking and I don't suffocating you by this music.
You just write the opinion which I needed, and this is fine.
And partly I figured out my self what can be wrong with this music.
But your tone is very rude and you don't respect me. Master your nervousness!
I don't wanna to start hundreds of new topics about the same.
You can change topic's title.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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deton24 wrote:Mr. tough guy. Be more kind.
:<
deton24 wrote:I don't choking and I don't suffocating you by this music.
Yes, but you are with your constant logical fallacies and butchering of the English language.
deton24 wrote:You just write the opinion which I needed, and this is fine.
And partly I figured out my self what can be wrong with this music.
I'd hope so, since everyone's told you, like, 67821482573575478452345 times.
deton24 wrote:But your tone is very rude and you don't respect me. Master your nervousness!
Like, conquer my fears? That's good advice, yo. Like the only thing we need to fear is fear itself and whatnot? Brilliant perspective, thank you, though I'm not sure how it helps us.

Now, let me make this very clear: NO ONE WANTS YOUR SHITTILY RE-EQUALIZED VERSIONS OF THE SOUNDTRACK. YES, NO ONE.

I find that sounding it out helps.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Now, let me make this very clear: NO ONE WANTS YOUR SHITTILY RE-EQUALIZED VERSIONS OF THE SOUNDTRACK. YES, NO ONE.
Your are not oracle to judge it and say me what I can do. And I think you are very upset.
I renew my request.
Let' s get to the point. Which version is the worst?
No, you begin to shake over instead.
Mind your words, because you'll regret it once.
I respect your knowledge since audio is in the interests on your user profile. Problem is your attitude.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Chill out tech, do you really think you're doing the right thing here? While it does sound like deton's reference monitor was a 50's tube radio, saying someone's 'fanworks' are shitty/worthless/unwanted with the clear intention of trying to beat them down or hurt their feelings is unhelpful malice. No one needs your worthless derogatory comments.

In my opinion, as an audio engineer, the EQs do sound very bad. Word of advice: Professional mixes like the Rayman 2 soundtrack should be your point of reference, as they're already balanced to near perfection. Every artist has their own style and preference of course, but seeing as you clearly have zero experience in mixing/production (you're using 'entertainment suite software' like XFI Crystaliser, not even a plain, transparent EQ like Q8 or a multiband compressor), I would highly advise you not to think that you know better than Éric Chevalier. If you find that something doesn't sound up-to-stuff on your speakers/headphones, consider first that you may not have very good headphones/speakers, and as such, it's up to you to apply an EQ in Windows that sounds good to you, as it likely won't sound good to anyone with a different system, let alone to someone with an actual mixing station. If you do have a good listening setup, consider your lack of mixing experience first.

Also, there's nothing you can do to restore the super-11 khz frequencies in the RayTunes soundtrack, as they simply do not exist.
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Re: PSX/2 NTSC music rip of Rayman 2 and 3 request

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Adsolution wrote:Chill out tech, do you really think you're doing the right thing here? While it does sound like deton's reference monitor was a 50's tube radio, saying someone's 'fanworks' are shitty/worthless/unwanted with the clear intention of trying to beat them down or hurt their feelings is unhelpful malice.
My comments are It would be fine if he was simply curious as to whether, but he's outright demanding for his re-EQed version to be on RayTunes, saying that the version Drolpiraat had on RayTunes was horrible, and arrogantly assuming his product (the enhancements of which were kind of terrible) was so much better, effectively implying that Drolpiraat did a terrible job and that he could do better, when he in fact hadn't a clue what he was talking about. I find that attitude extremely dislikable, since it's stupid covered by another, thicker layer of stupid, making a kind of penis sandwich, and thus I got kind of pissed off. Basically, I'm not trying to "beat him down," I'm trying to knock him off his high horse, since nothing else seems to be getting through, and, like I said, no one really wants these contributions, as Drolpiraat's politely tried to say. Malice is sometimes necessary in getting a point across (though it admittedly appeared not to be in this case).

And if it was an actual "fanwork" (as in, if it wasn't simply a re-EQing), I wouldn't act this way regardless of the circumstances, since that's a creative effort on their part and thus deserves some recognition. A re-EQing is simply a re-EQing, which I didn't consider an actual creative endeavor or something that much effort was put into at all (especially since "X-Fi Crystalizer"). If this was something like a remake of the songs, or even an actual remix (as in, not simply different equalization on the final product), my attitude would have been very different.

Also, I wasn't all that harsher than others in this thread, so I'm not completely sure why I'm getting singled out here. :?
Drolpiraat wrote:Okay, I'm going to be brutally honest. In your first post, you made a lot of claims that didn't make sense. I tried to tell you why they didn't make sense, but you simply don't seem to understand. Well, let me introduce you to the boon smiley: :boon:. You'll be seeing it a lot in the following post. Right now, it is the only way I can express how monstrously stupid you are.

Adsolution wrote:No one needs your worthless derogatory comments.
I get saying this basically proves your point about the comparison to my statement, but this was still quite hurtful regardless (especially since I was attempting to defend Drolpiraat), and while less nasty than I originally thought you meant, is still arguably nastier than anything I've said to deton. :?
Adsolution wrote:In my opinion, as an audio engineer, the EQs do sound very bad. Word of advice: Professional mixes like the Rayman 2 soundtrack should be your point of reference, as they're already balanced to near perfection. Every artist has their own style and preference of course, but seeing as you clearly have zero experience in mixing/production (you're using 'entertainment suite software' like XFI Crystaliser, not even a plain, transparent EQ like Q8 or a multiband compressor), I would highly advise you not to think that you know better than Éric Chevalier. If you find that something doesn't sound up-to-stuff on your speakers/headphones, consider first that you may not have very good headphones/speakers, and as such, it's up to you to apply an EQ in Windows that sounds good to you, as it likely won't sound good to anyone with a different system, let alone to someone with an actual mixing station. If you do have a good listening setup, consider your lack of mixing experience first.
Agreed, and this was basically what I was trying to get across.

But, ye, deton, arrogance is a disgusting thing, and it's even worse when you really have no clue what you're talking about. You can make suggestions, sure, but don't act like you know better than everyone else, and just admit to your cluelessness in this realm. :P
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