Something Bothering you?/Daily Doldrums

[Rayfist]

The day RPC went to war. <----(This is a joke btw)

[saerleiya]

The day RPC went to war. <----(This is a joke btw)

Why isn't there a "peace" smiley when you need it?

[Jewish Candy]

Also, "it really hinders your experience"? Yes, that's exactly why we talk about it and try to change problematic stuff.

Going far as to writing essays on why you think "this thing is bad" has to be upsetting you some way, maybe not the entire experience, but if you're convincing us with essays upon essays of why this is bad of COURSE we're going to think your experience is being hindered.

Did you read the rest of what I said? Anyway, the more 'upsetting' thing is what we are writing so-called essays about! If writing essays (which I'm not doing...?) bothered me more than the current state of gaming then I wouldn't be contributing here, would I?

Did you read from the start? That's how the conversation started, it's fine to see Serza is fully aware she's an idiot (anita, not you serz, lol) but my main gripe is feminism with games in general, I would love to see more female protagonists but you all go such far lengths to tell people they're wrong. And in the end it not only hurts yourself but others.

I did indeed - I believe it started not with Anita, but with a news story about GTAV being pulled off Australian shelves. You guys expressed some bile towards Anita that myself and Serza took issue with, Serza ventured in, here we are! My point was that you keep trying to pull this round to Anita even when Serz was saying "we're agreed on her, now there's also this" . She ISN'T the be all and end all, nor is she particularly representative, as we have both stated. She did not start feminism in gaming, my god, man! Perhaps she was the origin of your awareness of feminism in gaming, and she has certainly made waves. But when we, two feminists in gaming, are actually talking to you... It strikes me as a bit obsessed.

Also, saer, I agree with what you're trying to say - but ignoring things doesn't seem to make them go away. We can do both, you know. And we can ask for more good things!

[Rayfist]

Did you read the rest of what I said? Anyway, the more 'upsetting' thing is what we are writing so-called essays about! If writing essays (which I'm not doing...?) bothered me more than the current state of gaming then I wouldn't be contributing here, would I?

I skimmed through since I'm looking through Serza's post too, both of you really want to disprove me so I'm trying to get to both. And btw I wasn't implying you when I said writing essays.

I did indeed - I believe it started not with Anita, but with a news story about GTAV being pulled off Australian shelves. You guys expressed some bile towards Anita that myself and Serza took issue with, Serza ventured in, here we are! My point was that you keep trying to pull this round to Anita even when Serz was saying "we're agreed on her, now there's also this" . She ISN'T the be all and end all, nor is she particularly representative, as we have both stated. She did not start feminism in gaming, my god, man! Perhaps she was the origin of your awareness of feminism in gaming, and she has certainly made waves. But when we, two feminists in gaming, are actually talking to you... It strikes me as a bit obsessed.

Anita links to all this though, Anita links to how all this happened, I'm not trying to shove it in anyone's face like "OH ANITA IS A PIECE OF SHIT, BELIEVE ME", I'm just trying to state, my paragraph about Anita wasn't even that long. If she agrees then good for her. And Anita DID start the trend, of course she isn't the first, but she is the one to promote such acts and that "it was okay" amongst others. Maybe I did mention her too much and I apoligise for that.

It strikes me as a bit obsessed.

Oh again with the "you disagree on our stance, you must be obsessed."
I'm often afraid to challenge other's opinions, just like you, and for reasons like this where people call out "Obsessive" for having a different stance is why.

[Bradandez]

Jesus Christ, this is a lot to read. Nonetheless, I'm still determined to read it through and carefully.

[Jewish Candy]

Anita links to all this though, Anita links to how all this happened, I'm not trying to shove it in anyone's face like "OH ANITA IS A PIECE OF SHIT, BELIEVE ME", I'm just trying to state, my paragraph about Anita wasn't even that long. If she agrees then good for her. And Anita DID start the trend, of course she isn't the first, but she is the one to promote such acts and that "it was okay" amongst others.

It's not that you wrote long paragraphs, just that you kept. Bringing. Her. Up. Which trend? The trend of feminist scrutiny of gaming? She's not an examplar in that fashion, and it was going on before she got there. No, it seems to me that her importance stems from the fact that she introduced this sort of criticism to You(TM) (not you specifically, it's a general you). She's not even a good example of it.

She is not the source of the GTAV incident and other similar happenings. She is one voice of that source, one particular voice that You(TM) have amplified.

Best of luck, Brad! I'll soon be popping off, so be sure to state your issues with my posts (if any, since I am perfect of course) as clearly and concisely as possible, so I can try and bring my part to a satisfying close tomorrow.

[Rayfist]

It's not that you wrote long paragraphs, just that you kept. Bringing. Her. Up. Which trend? The trend of feminist scrutiny of gaming? She's not an examplar in that fashion, and it was going on before she got there. No, it seems to me that her importance stems from the fact that she introduced this sort of criticism to You(TM) (not you specifically, it's a general you). She's not even a good example of it.

She is not the source of the GTAV incident and other similar happenings. She is one voice of that source, one particular voice that You(TM) have amplified.

You're right, let's look towards the other major roles in gaming... Zoe Quinn... oh. See? It's not Anita that's the problem, it's the fact that any big feminist gamer can barely disprove anything. I guess I was bringing up Anita too much, but my main point is that any major feminist role we've seen in games hasn't been able to thoroughly disprove anything without any form of "HARASSMENT! MISOGYNY!" Thus, the problem ensues. You can't deny the fact that this topic didn't become popular until you know who showed up, that's all I'll say on that topic.

[Bradandez]

Don't worry, there are plenty of issues in both your's and Serza's posts that are flawed to me.

[Adsolution]

I can't even keep up with this cavalcade of shit, there are new, 2000-word posts showing up every five seconds.

However, I did read Saerleiya's post, and I agree completely, and that's also the reason I will almost always choose a female player.

Oh but wait, you seem a little peeved that I let you know.

Not that you let me know (I am grateful for that by the way), but the way it was phrased, which was a bit misrepresentitive of your current stance.

But you're completely right, I could/probably should have made a more intelligent, less brash joke. On the other hand, I might feel a little bottled if I'd never made a somewhat offensive joke or two in my life.

[Rayfist]

Just to note I do respect Serza's stance I'm just questioning it. Before anyone calls me out.

[Bradandez]

I make offensive jokes all the time and I barely feel anything. The only thing I feel is amusement when I do such a thing.

And yeah, this is quite the thread now. I'm glad I brought up such a wonderful topic to discuss on.

[Rayfist]

This world would be pretty shit without offensive jokes, don't be ashamed Ad.

[Jewish Candy]

You're right, let's look towards the other major roles in gaming... Zoe Quinn... oh. See? It's not Anita that's the problem, it's the fact that any big feminist gamer can barely disprove anything. I guess I was bringing up Anita too much, but my main point is that any major feminist role we've seen in games hasn't been able to thoroughly disprove anything without any form of "HARASSMENT! MISOGYNY!" Thus, the problem ensues. You can't deny the fact that this topic didn't become popular until you know who showed up, that's all I'll say on that topic.

It didn't become popular until you started using inflammatory language. Mention Anita? Pshaw. Joke about how she should be hit? You'll notice that's what Serza first responded to. This conversation would have gone very differently if you hadn't used that language. A discussion would still have been had, I'm sure - but it would have been different.

And the fact that you cite Zoe Quinn as a major role(?) in gaming only proves my point that this is ultimately to do with where your attention lies. When we provide you with a different outlook on feminism in gaming, you rush back to your Literally Who's because it's all you seem to know. We're trying to broaden that. I don't doubt you respect Serza

That much is clear Bradsibums

[Bradandez]

This world would be pretty shit without offensive jokes, don't be ashamed Ad.

I would rather kill myself than live in a world were people make jokes that seem like tumblr would make. You know those stupid posts that have horrendous grammar.

[Rayfist]

It didn't become popular until you started using inflammatory language. Mention Anita? Pshaw. Joke about how she should be hit? You'll notice that's what Serza first responded to. This conversation would have gone very differently if you hadn't used that language. A discussion would still have been had, I'm sure - but it would have been different.

Even though I apoligised for the hit statement TWICE. You talk about my two repeating statements yet you haven't brung that up? I'm not insulting anyone here but it bothers me how when I challenge someone else's opinion all of a sudden it's "quit being obsessive, quit insulting". I'm putting these as nicely as possible, I'm not sure what else you want honestly. I'm sorry if I came across as a bit dickish, I'm just disagreeing for the most part (I use a bit of fucks and shits there to describe something). I do thank you for telling me I was a bit harsh because I try to prevent that.

And the fact that you cite Zoe Quinn as a major role(?) in gaming only proves my point that this is ultimately to do with where your attention lies. When we provide you with a different outlook on feminism in gaming, you rush back to your Literally Who's because it's all you seem to know. We're trying to broaden that. I don't doubt you respect Serza

One of many, it's not just Zoe, I said ANYONE who has tried to disprove has done poorly, at least you and Serza are holding up, and that I do respect.

Reading back even I don't agree with all my statements, but I still cling onto the fact feminism in gaming is unnecessary really.

Literally Who's because it's all you seem to know.

All I seem to know, yet I mentioned thousands of others things relating to this.

[Bradandez]

It's too late for me then. lol

I used swore like a sailor but I don't give a dang. That's how I argue. Is it professional? No. Is it expressive in getting my opinion out? Yea.

[Jewish Candy]

Even though I apoligised for the hit statement TWICE. You talk about my two repeating statements yet you haven't brung that up? I'm not insulting anyone here but it bothers me how when I challenge someone else's opinion all of a sudden it's "quit being obsessive, quit insulting". I'm putting these as nicely as possible, I'm not sure what else you want honestly. I'm sorry if I came across as a bit dickish, I'm just disagreeing for the most part (I use a bit of fucks and shits there to describe something). I do thank you for telling me I was a bit harsh because I try to prevent that.

I'm not denying that you apologised, and I appreciate that you stopped. But you talked about how this all started so I brought it up. I think I just wasn't sure what opinion you thought you were challenging when Serz in particular was agreeing with you.

One of many, it's not just Zoe, I said ANYONE who has tried to disprove has done poorly, at least you and Serza are holding up, and that I do respect.

If we're seriously the first feminists you've talked to who are 'holding up', I think you've got a whole big wonderful world to discover. Is there a singing emote? It would be perfect here.

Reading back even I don't agree with all my statements, but I still cling onto the fact feminism in gaming is unnecessary really.

I don't see why videogames should be exempt from feminist critique when every other medium recieves it. If you don't think feminism should critique anything at all, well, we're going to have to disagree.

I think you're a decent shimmyshoo, Rayfish.

[Rayfist]

If we're seriously the first feminists you've talked to who are 'holding up', I think you've got a whole big wonderful world to discover. Is there a singing emote? It would be perfect here.

Most feminists I've seen either just block or disable, so it is fairly new to me.

I don't see why videogames should be exempt from feminist critique when every other medium recieves it. If you don't think feminism should critique anything at all, well, we're going to have to disagree.

I don't mind it, but when it just goes to such extreme lengths, doesn't it get tiring at all? I'm fine with maybe one woman casually mentioning "Well okay, I do personally think more females should be added in games is fine", it's just the very forceful behavior that makes me look the other way, you see?

I think you're a decent shimmyshoo, Rayfish.

Lol, I wish I knew if that was an insult or compliment.

I think I might've dragged this subject into something else that I didn't intend for it to be.

[Adsolution]

Lol, I wish I knew if that was an insult or compliment.

I don't think Candish has any intent on insulting anyone.

[saerleiya]

I actually googled it, and all what I found was about Shimmy XD. (Ya know, dat torso dance thingy).

It's not an insult, more of a pun with the Candish (see yar Rayfish changed). But I can't get it.

WEHERE ARE MY JIMMY SHOES?

EDIT:

I'm fine with maybe one woman casually mentioning "Well okay, I do personally think more females should be added in games is fine"

And men in all of this? Do we have a word about more main characters being female? Just curious if we have the right to ask for it .

And I think there are already a lot of very well developped female characters in many video games. To my mind, it's mainly the fact that there isn't the same amount of equality about main characters YET.