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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:58 pm
Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:56 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:55 pm
Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:53 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:52 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:47 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:38 pm
So, no innovation :pfff:
I find that presented Rayman as a Legend refreshed the saga and gives it such an epic side
I apologize, but I hardly find the same engine used for two full-priced games, the second nearly copy and pasted from the first aside from a slight change in rendering, innovative. Even in terms of story it has nothing to offer the player. The characters once so expressive now have one, unchanging emotion. On top of that you have a new character named Barbara with no personality or story as to why she’s there. She just… shows up. Legends really doesn’t wow me, personally. That’s just me, though! Again, you can like the game if you want to, dumbo. :hap:
Michel Ancel have a lot of history to tell (the reign of Ales, the war between toads and livingstones, etc ...) we must not blame the games but Ubisoft who wasted all the potential !
You sound like you’re rallying your troops for war speaking like that
I would defend these games to the death !!!!!!!
Same here

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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
It is obvious that despite what Michel Ancel said, this is a reboot of the saga, so it is normal that the characters are different.
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:02 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
It is obvious that despite what Michel Ancel said, this is a reboot of the saga, so it is normal that the characters are different.
Well then I reject this reboot! I rebuke it in the name of Polokus! :P
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:02 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
It is obvious that despite what Michel Ancel said, this is a reboot of the saga, so it is normal that the characters are different.
Yeah idk why everybody complaining about that
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:03 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:02 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
It is obvious that despite what Michel Ancel said, this is a reboot of the saga, so it is normal that the characters are different.
Well then I reject this reboot! I rebuke it in the name of Polokus! :P
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
Same (aside from the graphic art style which I've found pretty for the most part).
With so many nonsensical changes, I would have preferred them to be their own franchise than slapping Rayman's name and skin on this. Not even the gameplay has any real hint of Rayman to me by removing his signature ability to fight with longer-ranged attacks through the Magic/Telescopic Fist. Rayman has never been about punching in melee, it's very bland compared to what made Rayman such a distinct platformer in the first place.
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Rayman Saturn wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:06 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
Same (aside from the graphic art style which I've found pretty for the most part).
With so many nonsensical changes, I would have preferred them to be their own franchise than slapping Rayman's name and skin on this. Not even the gameplay has any real hint of Rayman to me by removing his signature ability to fight with longer-ranged attacks through the Magic/Telescopic Fist. Rayman has never been about punching in melee, it's very bland compared to what made Rayman such a distinct platformer in the first place.
Exactly my sentiment as well. Rayman is the one to save the Glade of dreams, but how is he the hero if Globox, a teensie or a human can do exactly what he can? It makes Rayman irrelevant
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
i am going to agree here.

The main issue with these games is that they completely replaced what the old series stood for and promoted, if you think about it each game from the original trilogy is a completely different experience. while ubiart is not flawed in by itself, the engine looks pretty fun to mess around afaik but it's just the way the games have dumbed down the franchise to a big mess, all the nuance the older trilogy brought has been shoved asides to make space for fart jokes and metalhead grandmas :facepalm:
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Geigergast wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:11 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
i am going to agree here.

The main issue with these games is that they completely replaced what the old series stood for and promoted, if you think about it each game from the original trilogy is a completely different experience. while ubiart is not flawed in by itself, the engine looks pretty fun to mess around afaik but it's just the way the games have dumbed down the franchise to a big mess, all the nuance the older trilogy brought has been shoved asides to make space for fart jokes and metalhead grandmas :facepalm:
Someone earlier pointed out Ancel was probably creatively tired at this point and was focusing all his energy on the unreleased BG&E, so he wanted to work on something carefree on the side. At the same time, if this was the case, I really don’t like the idea of sacrificing Rayman’s story elements for slapstick at all. What happened to the celebration of nature and all things surreal and dream-like? So sad…
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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It could have very well been the case, i don't mind silly slapstick myself, i like me some stupid dumb stuff, however i just don't think it's fair that it's ALL we have gotten for a decade or so, especially since the games that have been released are ALL THE SAME

like you got 2 mainline games and like 4-5 mobile games, one of which is an apple exclusive so most people can't even play it, even an art style change is enough to make a game feel brand new but they never do it

what irks me the most about these titles is that they are safe and regurgitable, if your mainline next gen console games feel and look the same as their games on mobiles then MAYBE there's something wrong, plus not to mention all the loot-crate type of garbage with the lucky tickets, introduced in legends and then made a paid addition to their mobile titles
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:04 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:03 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:02 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
It is obvious that despite what Michel Ancel said, this is a reboot of the saga, so it is normal that the characters are different.
Well then I reject this reboot! I rebuke it in the name of Polokus! :P
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You're entitled to your own opinion.

I'll always like the trilogy as a whole more than Ubiart. Origins is alright, I give them that, but then it was too much for me with Legends. Still never going to understand why that game is supposedly 'highly rated'
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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It's honestly kind of ironic that this is the direction they went for in these games when before he's the one who decided to go for something deeper and more serious for Rayman 2, wanting to focus more on the story (as I've read in l'Histoire de Rayman years ago). It seems like his vision on the series depended on his mood at the time and that sadly resulted in such inconsistencies.
It's very sad when you see all the efforts that were poured into the lore in Rayman 2, especially in the Knowledge of the World and its magical world. The UbiArt idea should have been kept for either something that would explicitely have been an alternate universe, or a seperate franchise with its own characters and objects which could still have had some "links" to Rayman like Tonic Trouble.
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Rayman Saturn wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:32 pm It's honestly kind of ironic that this is the direction they went for in these games when before he's the one who decided to go for something deeper and more serious for Rayman 2, wanting to focus more on the story (as I've read in l'Histoire de Rayman years ago). It seems like his vision on the series depended on his mood at the time and that sadly resulted in such inconsistencies.
It's very sad when you see all the efforts that were poured into the lore in Rayman 2, especially in the Knowledge of the World and its magical world. The UbiArt idea should have been kept for either something that would explicitely have been an alternate universe, or a seperate franchise with its own characters and objects which could still have had some "links" to Rayman like Tonic Trouble.
What’s with people and the r2 story? There’s much better stories out there and it just doesn’t suit a rayman game.

I guess that’s an unpopular opinion?
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Yeah, that's an unpopular opinion. A very unpopular one indeed.
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An opinion so unpopular it’s frowned upon by every organism in the universe
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:33 pm
Rayman Saturn wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:32 pm It's honestly kind of ironic that this is the direction they went for in these games when before he's the one who decided to go for something deeper and more serious for Rayman 2, wanting to focus more on the story (as I've read in l'Histoire de Rayman years ago). It seems like his vision on the series depended on his mood at the time and that sadly resulted in such inconsistencies.
It's very sad when you see all the efforts that were poured into the lore in Rayman 2, especially in the Knowledge of the World and its magical world. The UbiArt idea should have been kept for either something that would explicitely have been an alternate universe, or a seperate franchise with its own characters and objects which could still have had some "links" to Rayman like Tonic Trouble.
What’s with people and the r2 story? There’s much better stories out there and it just doesn’t suit a rayman game.

I guess that’s an unpopular opinion?
Rayman 2 had a very simplistic story of "the bad guy is evil, go beat the bad guy", but as far as the rayman franchise goes, it's the deepest and most compelling of them all, there are actual characters and stakes that make the world feel actually in danger. plus it's a game that has slavery, forced child labour, world domination and robotic space nazi pirates

it's a simple story for children, but it has really disturbing undertones when you stop and take in the game's atmosphere and it's tiny details, people noticed that in "The Reformatory for Disturbing Children" there's a courtyard with tall walls and guns pointed at baby globoxes that are running about, you don't need to be an einstein to understand what this implies but it's easy to miss and i LOVE IT :hinhinhin:
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Geigergast wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:42 pm
Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:33 pm
Rayman Saturn wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:32 pm It's honestly kind of ironic that this is the direction they went for in these games when before he's the one who decided to go for something deeper and more serious for Rayman 2, wanting to focus more on the story (as I've read in l'Histoire de Rayman years ago). It seems like his vision on the series depended on his mood at the time and that sadly resulted in such inconsistencies.
It's very sad when you see all the efforts that were poured into the lore in Rayman 2, especially in the Knowledge of the World and its magical world. The UbiArt idea should have been kept for either something that would explicitely have been an alternate universe, or a seperate franchise with its own characters and objects which could still have had some "links" to Rayman like Tonic Trouble.
What’s with people and the r2 story? There’s much better stories out there and it just doesn’t suit a rayman game.

I guess that’s an unpopular opinion?
Rayman 2 had a very simplistic story of "the bad guy is evil, go beat the bad guy", but as far as the rayman franchise goes, it's the deepest and most compelling of them all, there are actual characters and stakes that make the world feel actually in danger. plus it's a game that has slavery, forced child labour, world domination and robotic space nazi pirates

it's a simple story for children, but it has really disturbing undertones when you stop and take in the game's atmosphere and it's tiny details, people noticed that in "The Reformatory for Disturbing Children" there's a courtyard with tall walls and guns pointed at baby globoxes that are running about, you don't need to be an einstein to understand what this implies but it's easy to miss and i LOVE IT :hinhinhin:
Those are actually some great points, well done! :D
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Yeah Rayman 2 is actually a very dark game, especially even the fact they make it look like Rayman died.
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I doubt whether many kids would understand it, and also it could’ve been way worse than his foot flinging off
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Re: Unpopular opinions on Rayman

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The Jonster wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:32 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:04 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:03 pm
Dumbo TV wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:02 pm
SilverLum wrote: Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:57 pm It’s not the storyline they didn’t go with for me, it’s the whole of ubiart. I don’t like the art style and the drastic change of design and personality to multiple main characters. I don’t even recognize Betilla and the Magician anymore, let alone them making the Magician a Mr. Dark fanboy after what happened in Rayman 1 (???). It just feels like an alternative universe to me, as an OG fan
It is obvious that despite what Michel Ancel said, this is a reboot of the saga, so it is normal that the characters are different.
Well then I reject this reboot! I rebuke it in the name of Polokus! :P
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I'll always like the trilogy as a whole more than Ubiart. Origins is alright, I give them that, but then it was too much for me with Legends. Still never going to understand why that game is supposedly 'highly rated'
It is well rated because it is a good game :roll:
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