Rayman Legends

[sergiomonty]

Mr L is the proof that, in order to easily manipulate the audience and make it believe that a character is cooler, you must dress him in black, that's it.

Mr L is epic, and hating Super Paper Mario because it's not RPG is for me at least wrong reason. Maybe they wanted to try something new and different? I do not think it's something special and original and TYD were alot better but I still have feeling sticker star is just scam. Just like Banjo-Kazooie Nuts and Bolts. It seems it's gonna be like good old times, but you get later something boring and uninteresting.

It's not because of the lack of RPG features... If that was the case, I would totally hate Sticker Star. I still find TTYD to be the best in the series. I think I dislike the game because it barely has gameplay, and the story of Count Bleck just steals the spotlight. No more walltext, I just wanna play!

Oh, and....
I enjoyed Nuts & Bolts. It's a good game, and people don't notice it's still a collect-a-ton (you need to find all those dang notes and mumbo crates, and you can't get some of them until your car is upgraded). Haters just focus on the cars and feel like this:



The only things that I disliked is that they overuse the same characters over and over and just change their personalities to make them "different". Also, the humour is cheesy, I didn't find myself laughing as much as previous BK games. Still, I liked the building features, but I'm aware that it's not for everyone.

[TheKopex]

Though TTYD is to many (including myself) the best in the series, the game wasn't innovative at all. It's basically the same formula all over again with improved graphics and other characters. Now for some that might work but if the series would have continued like that it would've eventually become too repetitive. Super Paper Mario and Sticker Star is like a break from that. Whether these are refreshing or disappointing to some, they were more original than TTYD.

[OCG]

I like changes if they are done right and in my opinion Nuts and Bolts did it wrong. Buliding cars was so unoriginal. We already have lego for that. Crash of The Titans is a prime example of how changes should be done.

[Bionichute]

Crash of The Titans is a prime example of how changes should be done.

So ruining every character and making the game a bland, boring beat em' up is how change should be done?

[sergiomonty]

I liked TTYD despite the fact that it was the same thing as the original. at least the developers managed to put Mario into situations and places where he wasn't seen before. It's also one of the darkest Paper Mario games. This is from the japanese version:



And yes... there's blood.

I like changes if they are done right and in my opinion Nuts and Bolts did it wrong. Buliding cars was so unoriginal. We already have lego for that. Crash of The Titans is a prime example of how changes should be done.

Why would we play sports games? we got balls and bats for that. Why would we play racing games? we could just use our cars or even our legs. See? your point doesn't make any sense. It's a great building game, but it's not a great Banjo-Kazooie game. Also... everyone hated Crash of the Titans, I don't know what are you talking about.

[OCG]

Also... everyone hated Crash of the Titans, I don't know what are you talking about.

If we go by that logic, I can say everyone hated Nuts and Bolts.

So ruining every character and making the game a bland, boring beat em' up is how change should be done?

Every character had same personality as in older games so I don't see a problem. Only thing that was changed is design. I liked jokes in the game very much, as for combat. It was, well, it had good and bad tings, but overall, I seen worse changes alot. New Pac-Man for example. They changed his personality completely.

[sergiomonty]

Also... everyone hated Crash of the Titans, I don't know what are you talking about.

If we go by that logic, I can say everyone hated Nuts and Bolts.

Which Logics? I'm going through actual facts. Nuts & Bolts was a decent game which happened to be in the wrong genre. Crash of the Titans is a mediocre, heartless game. Check the reviews of both games and you'll see what I'm talking about. Now, before you say that I base my facts on "just reviews", yes, reviews are important, you just shouldn't attach to one website, you need everyone's opinion about the game before you risk yourself and buy it.

But well... if you enjoyed it, I guess it's okay. I mean... Fat likes Sonic 06, at least you're not THAT BAD.

They changed his personality completely.

Because Pac-Man's personality was SO memorable. Seriously, stop whining before the game is released, it has some promising features.

[Bionichute]

Also... everyone hated Crash of the Titans, I don't know what are you talking about.

If we go by that logic, I can say everyone hated Nuts and Bolts.

So ruining every character and making the game a bland, boring beat em' up is how change should be done?

Every character had same personality as in older games so I don't see a problem. Only thing that was changed is design. I liked jokes in the game very much, as for combat. It was, well, it had good and bad tings, but overall, I seen worse changes alot. New Pac-Man for example. They changed his personality completely.

TINY MOTHER FUCKING TIGER.

This was Tiny in the previous games.

He was a dumb brute who was incredibly loyal to Cortex and was obsessed with crushing Crash. He was also a Tasmanian Tiger.

This is Tiny in Crash of the Titans.

He is now a fucking pansy ass Mike Tyson rip-off who thought Crash was a cool guy and didn't really care that Cortex wasn't his leader anymore. He is now a Bengal Tiger.

They don't even resemble the same character in any way, shape, or form. I have a bunch of others I could list off too, Crunch, N. Gin, Cortex, Uka Uka, basically every character was ruined in some way, all for the sake of being more humorous, and the humour in that game was fucking Family Guy style humour and bad fourth wall breaking, so it sucked. In Nuts & Bolts AT LEAST every character was still in character, and it had the classic British wit that the previous games had.

The new Pac-Man game is a reboot, so they have an excuse to change his personality, and besides, the new game actually looks fun, and the cartoon looks interesting. Crash of the Titans is a sequel, so there is no reason to make every character so different.

[OCG]

Sonic 06 is terrible mess. Of course I don't like it. I checked gamespot review for both games, and Crash of The Titans got 7.0 and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts got 8.5
That means both are far from poor quality. Now of course everyone can have his own opinion on those games like you have yours and like I have mine, but since we are talking about reviews that are being done by professionals, fact is that both games are good.

Also... everyone hated Crash of the Titans, I don't know what are you talking about.

If we go by that logic, I can say everyone hated Nuts and Bolts.

So ruining every character and making the game a bland, boring beat em' up is how change should be done?

Every character had same personality as in older games so I don't see a problem. Only thing that was changed is design. I liked jokes in the game very much, as for combat. It was, well, it had good and bad tings, but overall, I seen worse changes alot. New Pac-Man for example. They changed his personality completely.

TINY MOTHER FUCKING TIGER.

This was Tiny in the previous games.

He was a dumb brute who was incredibly loyal to Cortex and was obsessed with crushing Crash. He was also a Tasmanian Tiger.

This is Tiny in Crash of the Titans.

He is now a fucking pansy ass Mike Tyson rip-off who thought Crash was a cool guy and didn't really care that Cortex wasn't his leader anymore. He is now a Bengal Tiger.

They don't even resemble the same character in any way, shape, or form. I have a bunch of others I could list off too, Crunch, N. Gin, Cortex, Uka Uka, basically every character was ruined in some way, all for the sake of being more humorous, and the humour in that game was fucking Family Guy style humour and bad fourth wall breaking, so it sucked. In Nuts & Bolts AT LEAST every character was still in character, and it had the classic British wit that the previous games had.

The new Pac-Man game is a reboot, so they have an excuse to change his personality, and besides, the new game actually looks fun, and the cartoon looks interesting. Crash of the Titans is a sequel, so there is no reason to make every character so different.

Tiny Tiger and Masks are actually the only one who changed. Play Crash Tag Team Racing (previous game in series) and you will see that all other charatcers talk same and have same personality. I liked Humor in Titans (but I understand that tastes are different). TMNT had reboot and characters were more-less same. Pac-Man has worst personality ever, how is the game that is about eating others non stop any good idea? Cartoon has worst voice of Pac-Man ever. Old 80's Pac-Man cartoon is alot better. Not to mention that his reboot was introduced on worst possible way with Mario Party Rip-Off game.

[Rulez]

Bordel da merde fuck, Crash of the Titans was a good game. I see why you think it was a bland beat-'em-up, but the environments and backgrounds were fucking beautiful, majestic even. The level design was mostly great, though it got quite repetitive and/or bland here and there. The gameplay was okay. And of course the main problem people find with the game: the redesigns. They were mostly shitty, e.g. Tiny or Coco, true, but that doesn't ruin the whole experience, at least for me. Also Crash: Mind Over Mutant was even better than CotT, plus they fixed Coco's ugly-ass shithead design. I say the two were good games, and actually pretty nice as Crash games, even if they didn't fit in with the others.

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Crash Tag Team Racing fucked up the characters' personalities, but the game was pretty damn neat overall, though admittedly the graphics at some parts were pretty shitty. It was also a good game.

I really don't like how most of you share the mindset of "they changed it, now it sucks". There are times when change is for the worse, but there are times when change is for the better, obviously.

[sergiomonty]

Hm, I've only heard negative feedback so far, but I see there are people who liked it. I guess it's okay. However, I still can't agree with this:

Crash of The Titans is a prime example of how changes should be done.

If the franchise had its days of glory, and now is hated by almost everyone because of the drastic changes and bland gameplay, that's clearly not the way how changes should be done. Turning an excellent franchise into an "okay" franchise isn't and will never be considered a positive change.

[TeensieKing]

Crash of the Titans SUCKED. I've always been a fan of this guy and I hate CotT. I just wish it never happened. Period.

[OCG]

There are times when change is for the worse, but there are times when change is for the better, obviously.

Couldn't agree more.

[Bionichute]

Bordel da merde fuck, Crash of the Titans was a good game. I see why you think it was a bland beat-'em-up, but the environments and backgrounds were fucking beautiful, majestic even. The level design was mostly great, though it got quite repetitive and/or bland here and there. The gameplay was okay. And of course the main problem people find with the game: the redesigns. They were mostly shitty, e.g. Tiny or Coco, true, but that doesn't ruin the whole experience, at least for me. Also Crash: Mind Over Mutant was even better than CotT, plus they fixed Coco's ugly-ass shithead design. I say the two were good games, and actually pretty nice as Crash games, even if they didn't fit in with the others.

I agree with almost all of this. It was a GOOD game, it's just way overshadowed by Mind Over Mutant, which is a well designed, funny, great game, and it fixed some character problems too. You also didn't have to unlock the spin move.

This is almost how you can talk about N&B, too. It didn't look the same, it didn't play the same, but it was still fun and well written, so that made it a good game.

[sergiomonty]

But I'm not really saying Nuts & Bolts made the right moves to be an excellent game. It actually lead a lot of people to hate the franchise. I think neither Crash of the Titans or Nuts & Bolts made it. Sure, they're good, but.... not memorable in comparison to previous games. I think making the series ramp down slowly isn't a positive change at all. Obviously, games aren't supposed to be "the newest one better than the previous" because fanbases make that impossible, but they should retain their regular basis of epicness.

I think the only one who achieved the excellence in a newer game was Miyamoto when he released Mario Galaxy. It just beats the crap out of Super Mario World, and both are amazing games.

Michel Ancel might be doing the same. Rayman Legends looks like a true competitor to Rayman 2.

[OCG]

Well, we shared some interesting opinions on some games, so I think we can go back to Rayman. I do agree and hope Rayman Legends will have same success as Super Mario Galaxy had.

[Haruka]

TINY MOTHER FUCKING TIGER.

This was Tiny in the previous games.

He was a dumb brute who was incredibly loyal to Cortex and was obsessed with crushing Crash. He was also a Tasmanian Tiger.

This is Tiny in Crash of the Titans.

He is now a fucking pansy ass Mike Tyson rip-off who thought Crash was a cool guy and didn't really care that Cortex wasn't his leader anymore. He is now a Bengal Tiger.

You can't be serious...

[OCG]

LOL, Mufasa's reaction

[Rulez]

Well, we shared some interesting opinions on some games, so I think we can go back to Rayman.

Aye, two things though:

I agree with almost all of this. It was a GOOD game, it's just way overshadowed by Mind Over Mutant, which is a well designed, funny, great game, and it fixed some character problems too. You also didn't have to unlock the spin move.

MInd Over Mutant was better than CotT indeed. I believe it was even less popular than CotT, though.

Crash of The Titans is a prime example of how changes should be done.

No. Most of the changes were for the worse, really. And don't say my post stated otherwise; I just named the pros of the game. The redesigns were mostly ehh (mainly Coco; though she got better in Mind over Mutant) and the gameplay, while it was good, it was not as fun as Crash used to be. However, in my opinion the backgrounds etc. in CotT were even better than in the older games.

[Master]

Concurred, I would definitely have to say that the Titans weren't well received by quite a large amount of Crash fans, and I can see why, the gameplay has changed, the character aesthetics have changed excessively, some characters don't act in the way they had previously.