Rayman Legends

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Well, they brought back Polokus, the Magican, and Betilla. So why not the others?

[THEdragon]

If bringing back Tarayzan meant changing his species than I'd rather they not bring him back.

[Dart]

Well, they brought back Polokus, the Magican, and Betilla. So why not the others?

I'm just saying there is precedent. I think Origins is proof that people still care about the older characters, I myself wish the return of Andre and the black lums, along with Clark, Sssam, Ly, and Jano! I mean if the photographer and Bzzit can make a comeback why can't they! we'll just have to wait till around E3 to get much details on the matter though.

If bringing back Tarayzan meant changing his species than I'd rather they not bring him back.

I'd have to agree

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Well, changing Tarayzan into a different species would completely ruin the pun of his name.

[Cometcourse64]

Well, they brought back Polokus, the Magican, and Betilla. So why not the others?

yeah, they also brought back the rock monster that throws fireballs, the laughing guy with the gun, and the Electoons, so bringing back some people but not others is weird.

anyway, you mentioned the magician. True, the magician was in Origins, but mainly as a cameo appearance who served as the hint box rather than the host and the guy who takes you to bonuses. He never even came out of his hat either like in the first one.

And before everyone starts pelting me with the bogus "the magician is the main villain in legends and origins" theory, i must explain why i know that contrary to popular belief, this is wrong. First of all, the villain magician and the real magician are two different species, but we all know that one already.
Second, look at their hats in Origins:


Notice that while the human magician's hat is just like it is in Rayman1, the Phony Magician's hat is much more long, skinny, and has slants and curves in the middle unlike the other one.
Third, their voices. The real magician's voice talks in a human sounding voice when you jump on his hat, while the Phony's voice sounds like a regular Teensie.

So in short, The Phony Magician was never our true friend we all know and love, and is just some random Uncle Tom (a racist against his own kind) who ripped off the real magician's look and tries to kiss the ass of Mr. Dark....Thank you and good night

[THEdragon]

That is a very interesting theory, Cometcourse. I too like to think of the two magicians as separate characters, but I'm not so sure about the hat thing. When the hat is jumped on, the messages given become increasingly sinister as the game goes on if I recall correctly, and are very likely those of Ales Mansay.
Also, 'human Magician'?

On a similar note, I find it really odd how while every other character imported from Rayman 1 into Origins was given limbs some way or another, the stone men remained virtually unchanged. The electoons I can understand, as they are magical beings of energy and their shape/design would make it difficult to add limbs to without looking bizarre, but the stone men could have been given big beefy stone arms easily. They were still pushing the whole 'Rayman's limblessness is unique to him, ignore Rayman 1" idea so I just find it weird that the stone men remained limbless. But this is the Legends thread, so perhaps let's leave this one for now.

[OCG]

I should also note that on leaked Legends trailer, the hat that didn't look like one Ales has was also included, meaning that a theory Cometcourse64 said makes a good point.

[spiraldoor]

You're entitled to speculate however you wish, but it's pretty clear that the developers intended the Magician to be one character. Seriously, one of the cornerstones of your theory is a slight difference in the shape of his hat in two different situations. That's not a clue, that's a minor graphical inconsistency.

[timoo]

^ I agree with most of this, although I wouldn't really care about Ly because I don't like her much for some reason. :/

That explains why you don't like Rayman 2.

[sonicbrawler182]

Well, they brought back Polokus, the Magican, and Betilla. So why not the others?

yeah, they also brought back the rock monster that throws fireballs, the laughing guy with the gun, and the Electoons, so bringing back some people but not others is weird.

anyway, you mentioned the magician. True, the magician was in Origins, but mainly as a cameo appearance who served as the hint box rather than the host and the guy who takes you to bonuses. He never even came out of his hat either like in the first one.

And before everyone starts pelting me with the bogus "the magician is the main villain in legends and origins" theory, i must explain why i know that contrary to popular belief, this is wrong. First of all, the villain magician and the real magician are two different species, but we all know that one already.
Second, look at their hats in Origins:
*snip*
Notice that while the human magician's hat is just like it is in Rayman1, the Phony Magician's hat is much more long, skinny, and has slants and curves in the middle unlike the other one.
Third, their voices. The real magician's voice talks in a human sounding voice when you jump on his hat, while the Phony's voice sounds like a regular Teensie.

So in short, The Phony Magician was never our true friend we all know and love, and is just some random Uncle Tom (a racist against his own kind) who ripped off the real magician's look and tries to kiss the ass of Mr. Dark....Thank you and good night

*snip*

Even without all of the official confirmation that the Magician of Origins/Legends is the same as the Magician of Rayman 1, this entire theory falls flat on it's face if you pay attention to the "Rayman 1 Magician's" script when you jump on his hat. He constantly encourages you to collect as many lums as possible, and even dreams about them in his sleep. He also becomes increasingly more insulting towards Rayman over the course of the game, going as far as to question his status as a hero. Then, in Moody Clouds, he wants Rayman to turn back, so he won't discover that he is the brains behind all of the trouble in the Glade. So clearly, they are the same person.

[Bionichute]

I fucking HATE that theory.

No matter what you do, no matter how you theorize or speculate, nothing is going to change the fact that they are the same character, Is Rayman not Rayman anymore because he doesn't look EXACTLY like he did in Rayman 1? No, he's the same character with a changed design, nobody who prefers the Rayman 1 design is coming up with theories that the Rayman 2 design is a completely different character.

This kind of stupidity really pisses me off.

[Cometcourse64]

I never really read the hint boxes because i know how to play the game, but now that blows my theory out the water.
Im sorry i made the theory that uneducated theory that ruined everyone's day, and you can all just drop it because i know i am wrong now.

No matter what you do, no matter how you theorize or speculate, nothing is going to change the fact that they are the same character, Is Rayman not Rayman anymore because he doesn't look EXACTLY like he did in Rayman 1? No, he's the same character with a changed design, nobody who prefers the Rayman 1 design is coming up with theories that the Rayman 2 design is a completely different character.

Rayman simply changed his look in the new games. The magician changed an entire fucking species. There's a difference.

I fucking HATE that theory.

This kind of stupidity really pisses me off.

[Haruka]

Well, the only thing I strange is why the Magician wasn't kept as a limbless if the idea was to represent the same character. To let Rayman be the only limbless being of the Glade? If that's so, I wonder about the fate of Tarayzan and the others.

[Master]

A perpetual cycle of inconsistencies and continuity migraines is what makes the Rayverse, the whole Rayman being the only limbless has been retconned in and out about three times now, I think.

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

As much as people hate it. Ales IS the Magician. They retconned him into a Teensie so Rayman could be unique.

[OCG]

Rayman? Unique?
Even in UbiART games he is not only limbless.
Rayimz and DarkRay are examples so changing Magician's species still makes no sense.

[sonicbrawler182]

Rayman? Unique?
Even in UbiART games he is not only limbless.
Rayimz and DarkRay are examples so changing Magician's species still makes no sense.

Dark Rayman doesn't count, as he is a spell conjured up by the Nightmare energy (in Legends).
Raymesis is implied to be "Bad Rayman" from Rayman 1, who was a spell cast by Mr. Dark.
Raybox is still actually Rayman, just recoloured.
Sir Rayelot, Rayomz, etc are either ancestors that don't canonically exist in the same time as Rayman, or are altogether non-canon alter egos (like Ray Plumber and Splinter Ray).

So Rayman is still the only thingamajig in the game, canonically.

[OCG]

But the description of Rayomz is that he gives bad image to Rayman?

[THEdragon]

And not to mention, even if Rayman is the only member of his species, it seems he's not the only limbless.

I wonder if they scrapped Tarayzan because they went at the last moment "Oops, then that would imply that there are others of Rayman's species, and then he wouldn't be unique. Now let's give a bunch of other characters the exact same abilities as our unique hero."

I'm pretty sure even Ubisoft doesn't know if Rayman's the only one of his kind or not.

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I always had a little fan-theory that Tarayzan still exist, that the Nymphs created him so that Rayman wouldn't feel lonely.