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sonicbrawler182 wrote:I don't really want to go on about it anymore than I have since I already talked to a friend, but I went through a suicidal phase of my life that seriously developed in 2011, but I overcame it last year (this was before I ever even knew about this site though, so nobody need worry about this place factoring in at all). My brother and I had an argument with my mother that managed to have my suicidal time brought into it, and my mother remarked "What were ya suicidal over, Sonic wouldn't talk to ya?", and she said it in the most condescending tone possible.

Of course there was a lot going on in the argument before that and both my brother and myself have a lot to be pissed off about, but that was the part that just made me lose every ounce of respect I had for her.

She can't pull the heat of the moment excuse either - she said it calmly, and it's not the first time she has disregarded that part of my life like that. She actively refused to accept that I could be suicidal until near the end of that time of my life. So I'm not forgiving her this time, she had her chance. You should never say something like that to anyone, let alone your own offspring. Really hypocritical since she likes to go on about how family should have special forgiveness rights.
That's along the lines of what I was hoping for when you said you hated her initially; I don't mean that I was hoping she'd say what she did, rather that it would be something that apathetic she did to cause you to feel that way. Also, what you've described is almost identical to what caused me to finally confirm my hate for my own mother - I decided to tell her about my close 'death-troubled' group of friends (I told her that my friend's first dad shot and killed his mother, another friend lost her little brother recently, another friend's dad was a wanted criminal, another friend's parents both died and he had been cycling through foster care, and that my close friend was raped (this being before she killed herself)), and her only response was a smug "Well you should be lucky you live in such a fortunate household". I mean, that isn't even remotely true to begin with, but I presume from direct experience that you know how much that hurt. That was three and a half years ago now, and it still fills me with undying hate whenever I think about it. No apology of course, nor has it ever been referenced since, and the one sole time (about a year ago) I attempted to steer a conversation toward that to question it, before she even knew where it was going it was over.

And likewise, she has some valid things to be annoyed at me about, but comparatively small things, and words like those give me no reason to want to fix any of it.
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Yeah, my mother does disrespect my friends too. I have some really good friends whom she thinks "aren't going to last forever", or that I have to talk to them/they have to talk to me everyday for them to be considered "good friends", but that's not the case at all, IMO. And when making friends, I don't look for them to be super close to me forever, because life plans can make people drift apart and that can't be helped, but I know the friends I do have are good people and we are perfectly comfortable with each other, she has no place telling me how my friendships should work.

In the end, she said a lot of nasty and completely delusional things over the past two days especially, and I've put up with her bad qualities for the longest, and I've put up with her waking the entire neighbourhood over little things, but after disregarding my life like that for what isn't the first time, and in such a careless manner, I'm done with her. I might be able to tolerate her again if she can start to change and fix many of the problems I have with her, but from the arguing I've done with her this morning, that's not happening.

And I'm not going to pretend I didn't say a few nasty things to her directly after she said what she did, and that I didn't slam a door or two as hard as I could. But I literally don't respect her at all after this, so I don't care. She's not my mother to me anymore, and I don't want to know her. I told her I would apologise after I see her make a change, but she's directly said she doesn't feel the need to. So fuck her.

I'm in my dad's house right now, and brought a bunch of clothes, grooming materials, my laptop, my wallet, my Wii U and some of it's games, my 3DS stuff, my phone, and my capture card. I also have a key to my mother's house in case I need to get more of my belongings and she decides to not let me in or something to get them, at which point, I'll get them while she's at work.

I also was planning to visit my friend for a while, who I haven't seen in months, so there is also that.
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Damn it.
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Bradandez wrote:(+) Met the creator of Gravity Falls!
(+) First time meeting a creator of a show!

(-) Can't share my excitement here because I'm one of the few Gravity Falls fans here.
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Wow, this is embarrassing. Thanks for pointing it out.

Though, I've been having some troubles lately. The thought of what comes after death has been frightening lately. I mean, will I be remembered? I know I shouldn't worry about such things but it's just a thought that won't leave me alone. I'm terrified of what kind of impact I'll leave behind, that is if I do leave an impact.
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Bradandez wrote:Though, I've been having some troubles lately. The thought of what comes after death has been frightening lately. I mean, will I be remembered? I know I shouldn't worry about such things but it's just a thought that won't leave me alone. I'm terrified of what kind of impact I'll leave behind, that is if I do leave an impact.
Until recently I used to think about death a lot as well and the implications. For a while I tried to convince myself that I was Christian and I would go to Heaven, of course me being the rational person I am that didn't last long and I accepted that I was atheist. I don't feel the need to tell my parents yet but I bet that'll be an interesting conversation :P. Anyway the way I think of it now is just that death is going to happen to you, me and everyone. There are no two ways about it, it's been happening to everyone since life first existed. It's unavoidable so there's no point in worrying over something you can't stop. It just makes you treasure the time you have all the more.
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I also had a relatively short period where I worried about death. Not the fact that it happens at all, but rather the experience of death. I was scared of how it would feel to die, losing your consciousness forever. I've always been afraid of the physical unknown, mostly having to do with my own physical being. If something happens with me--even if it's minuscule--and I don't know why, I'm overcome with anxiety. With death, it's the unknown of how it feels to sleep forever and have your body cease functioning that scares me the most. I've expressed this fear to my parents. Them being Buddhists explained that I'd experience something along the lines of reincarnation, can't quite remember exactly, it wasn't as simple as that. But I still have a hard time believing anything like that will happen.
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Yea I'm a little bit jealous of people who can just believe that there is some life after death. It just seems too far-fetched for me. :/
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Well, there is always life after death, just not our own life.
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You know what I meant :P
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Yeah, I gotcha. XD
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Death is the one actual fear I have. I'm not really afraid of the physical unknown, I'm rather drawn to it actually. I It's not even death itself that scares me, just inevitable death. I can accept accidents or murder, but the mere fact that it'll happen anyway, no matter what you do is terrifying. To me, unless you're religious or spiritual and have particular beliefs about life after death, any way of viewing it as an 'answer to life' is simply false optimism. Accepting the fact that something is the way it is doesn't magically make it any less horrible, to me it's arguably worse, as I'd basically be accepting that there's no hope whatsoever. I of course want to be remembered, but I feel that anyone can be if they work at, and that doesn't bother me, because it's something you have control over. I've sort of self-diagnosed myself with chronophobia, since thinking about the rate at which time moves by, counting to my/our inevitable death makes me demotivated and depressed, and it forces me to always want to be as productive as possible almost all the time. It's bothered me for years now, and while more recently I've managed to think about it less and therefore enjoy myself more, I'm lucky if a day goes by without it plaguing my mind still. I don't want this time limit, think of how much potential everybody would have, all the things they could learn, I could dedicate decades of my life to art, decades to studying biomechanical engineering, decades to whatnot and whatnot. It's like it's over as we've only just begun.
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That's the problem isn't it? I feel like no matter how much time we were given we would think it not enough. I guess it's all relative, I mean if the average life expectancy was around 1000 years and always had been, it would appear to us that the decades were passing too quickly and our death would approach at the same rate as it does now. I find some comfort in the fact that it is, at least at our current point with science inevitable. It stops me worrying too much about it. The one thing that still bothers me though is the impact I'll leave. Will my grandchildrens' children remember me? Will anyone remember me? Maybe my bloodline ends with me. These are all very pessimistic thoughts coming from me, and I'm normally a very optimistic guy. :/
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Adsolution wrote:Death is the one actual fear I have. I'm not really afraid of the physical unknown, I'm rather drawn to it actually. I It's not even death itself that scares me, just inevitable death. I can accept accidents or murder, but the mere fact that it'll happen anyway, no matter what you do is terrifying. To me, unless you're religious or spiritual and have particular beliefs about life after death, any way of viewing it as an 'answer to life' is simply false optimism. Accepting the fact that something is the way it is doesn't magically make it any less horrible, to me it's arguably worse, as I'd basically be accepting that there's no hope whatsoever. I of course want to be remembered, but I feel that anyone can be if they work at, and that doesn't bother me, because it's something you have control over. I've sort of self-diagnosed myself with chronophobia, since thinking about the rate at which time moves by, counting to my/our inevitable death makes me demotivated and depressed, and it forces me to always want to be as productive as possible almost all the time. It's bothered me for years now, and while more recently I've managed to think about it less and therefore enjoy myself more, I'm lucky if a day goes by without it plaguing my mind still. I don't want this time limit, think of how much potential everybody would have, all the things they could learn, I could dedicate decades of my life to art, decades to studying biomechanical engineering, decades to whatnot and whatnot. It's like it's over as we've only just begun.
You're completely right. People trying to rationalise death by saying that "it's natural" or "it gives meaning to life" or "living forever would be boring" piss me off more than anything else. How can someone be so wilfully blind, so unappreciative of what they have? Death is a horrific destructive force, the worst characteristic of our universe, and any attitude to life that doesn't incorporate this fact is fatally flawed.
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People who say living forever would be boring need to STFU. If it would be possible to live forever and still be able to do everyday activity and not feel pain, I would definitely NOT be bored. I really hope that at least when my time is near, the technology would allow me to transfer brain data or brain itself into computer/robot. Also, I do not believe in soul going to heaven or hell but I believe in reincarnation. I remember recent case of boy remembering who killed him in past life and he showed everything and was the truth (the place of murder, the killer,...)
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I'm not really bothered by the fact that I will eventually die. It is what it is, and I just know I have to live life to the fullest in the time I have. I don't really fear my own death either.
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spiraldoor wrote:You're completely right. People trying to rationalise death by saying that "it's natural" or "it gives meaning to life" or "living forever would be boring" piss me off more than anything else. How can someone be so wilfully blind, so unappreciative of what they have? Death is a horrific destructive force, the worst characteristic of our universe, and any attitude to life that doesn't incorporate this fact is fatally flawed.
I hope that you're actually trying to make a point, even if it's as obvious and patronising as daylight, and you're not performing another one of those social experiments that have run their course far past any analogy I have ever made.

I'm not even trying to prove a point or state a fact, I'm speaking from the viewpoint of my own irrational fear, and I'm sure you're probably well aware of that - I'd be surprised if you weren't. You'll need a better tactic than that if you want to cure me of my bullshit!
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At the very least, death being inevitable means the most cold-hearted criminals and terrorists can't possibly terrorise the world forever, and that the most warped dictators can't possibly be in control forever. Nobody can overstay their welcome.
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Adsolution wrote:I hope that you're actually trying to make a point, even if it's as obvious and patronising as daylight, and you're not performing another one of those social experiments that have run their course far past any analogy I have ever made.

I'm not even trying to prove a point or state a fact, I'm speaking from the viewpoint of my own irrational fear, and I'm sure you're probably well aware of that - I'd be surprised if you weren't. You'll need a better tactic than that if you want to cure me of my bullshit!
Maybe I didn't make the connection clear, but I was using your views as a starting point to talk about some of my own. I don't think that your fear of death is irrational at all. I think it's the most honest way of looking at the world. Sometimes I get frustrated by the logical hoops some people jump through to justify their pro-death beliefs, perhaps the way some atheists feel when dealing with staunchly religious people. Maybe I should just stay out of this thread from now on, since I generally don't do well here.
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Ah, it's just the way it came across. I apologise if I'm too unnerving sometimes, I shouldn't have jumped to a conclusion that you were jumping to one. I don't want to discourage anyone from posting in any particular thread.

I agree, I've never been able to go along with simply forcing myself to forget about something so prominent. It's almost as if through doing so, I'm opening up other similar, unsavoury doors, and I begin to think that just not paying attention to things I don't like when they affect everyone including myself directly is an okay thing to do. While I find it to be alright with certain minor things, on occasion I've tried it with something on the scale of world issues/death, and it makes me feel really shallow.

Of course, the idea of immortality poses countless threats, but there's bound to be a 'relatively' harmless solution someone has come up with to harness an ageless society.
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