Rayman & Rayman 2 The Great Escape against the others

[br1x]

I say farting is natural, you say Rayman 3 is crap.[/quote]

what has to do with the Rayman's series style

I try to explain why people may think that Rayman "trespassing" on Bégoniax may be funny, you say Rayman 3 is crap

There wasn't need to waste that dark atmosphere of BOM with that introduction.

And earlier on you said that the bad things outweigh the good things in Rayman M/Rayman 3. How can you find a game with more bad things to it pleasant? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc was also pleasant, but unfortunately he is too contaminated with bulls**t that have nothing to do with this series.
Can you believe that Globox fart in a game like Rayman? Can you believe that languages ​​are selected through undergarments? Can you believe that Rayman fall down into Begoniax bathroom while Begoniax is sh*****g? Can you believe that in a Rayman game Begoniax almost rape Razoff? Can you believe that the invasion of a planet by a dark force is treated without the essential seriousness? Tell me, please!?

Also, just look at your post (assuming you didn't edit it AGAIN after I posted this)

I'm not english and I have to correct many words with the translator.

I haven't edit anything. You can read man?

Outside of a few scenes, most of the "humor" comes from Globox begin, well... Globox. But then again he's sort of a joke character anyway. (I mean, the dude was the pirates' second worst enemy because of an effing rain dance)

Rayman has become an anti-hero who spends his days lounging, Murphy by a spirit guide has become a talkative and bad taste satyr, the Teensies known as builders gnomes have become less serious metamorphoses all-purpose, Globox from loyal assistant has become a complete coward out of mind, the fairies have disappeared, the Hoodlums seem sacks of potatoes and more than an enemy seem crazy in disarray and Knaaren are those a bit more serious, but nothing that is clear!

Rayman 1? Dark atmosphere? You mean, like, Candy Château? Or Space Mama going at you with a freaking washing machine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwMumW-5oM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVCIbee ... 4C5D92B724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5nzgJU ... 4C5D92B724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwMumW ... 4C5D92B724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC48Euh ... 4C5D92B724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmG_ejN ... 4C5D92B724
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EymZ-fI ... 4C5D92B724

As regards Rayman 2 The Great Escape: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdU_0rCohKM and don't think I need to say more.

Or Begoniax makes you cum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZSNzJITpFA

So if I fart while inside my house, my house farts as well?

We are talking about of a living creature being inside ANOTHER living creature!

Let me give you an example:

When a situation where one of my female friends would want to beat the living daylights out of me presents itself, I sometimes jokingly say that I wouldn't mind being punished by them. Then they just laugh it off. Done.

Now what do you think would happen if I tried to rape these very friends? Would they still just laugh it off? Yeah, right. It's a HUGE difference.

You don't understand or pretend not to understand?

what has to do with the Rayman's series style

So, ~10 scenes with a total duration of maybe 5 minutes in a game that you may very well sit many hours on turns it into a porno? Come on, dude

Like above!

You just did it again. You don't just correct words. You added whole passages after you already posted.

You can demonstrate?

Another example of you just ignoring my arguments. I said your argument is weak because action comedies don't take the end of the world seriously, just like R3, but do you hate action comdies because of that? Appearently you don't, since you're a fan of Jackie Chan. Whether or not that is how R3 should have been is not for you to decide, but for the game developpers. You said yourself that R2 was different from the original. Well, they wanted to make R3 different as well, appearently.

And now look at your counter-argument: "My reasons are not weak, and R3 sucks because it doesn't take the end of the world seriously." You completely failed to give thought-out arguments for your reaoning, you almost completely ignored my points, and now you just went back to saying "R3 sucks because I say so".

You want to see why my reasons are not weak and why I don't completely ignored your points?

The action comedies are half comedy, half an action movie, right?

Rayman is a Fantasy (see Rayman) and Dark Fantasy (see Rayman 2) platformer video game, right? Therefore Fantasy platform, right?

Therefore, a action-comedy is a action-comedy, was created to be this one.

Rayman is a Fantasy platform, was created to be this one.

All clear?

Why do you dislike humor so much? Do you only like it when things are serious? Personally I play video games to have fun and enjoy myself, and humor helps me to do that. If Rayman 3 were up its own ass with gravity then I don't think it would be nearly as memorable of a game.

But it's not true!

I only say that to each his own. Rayman is not a game based on humor as Rayman M, Rayman 3 etc., and Rayman 2 The Great Escape is the most explicit proof.

Just to give an example:
As it would if Super Mario clean toilets instead to do the plumber?
As it would if Jill Valentine shoot the zombies with a hair dryer?
As it would if Medievil used the pe**s instead the sword?
As it would if in Need For Speed instead of cars there were bathtubs?

... and as it would if Rayman it's replaced by a meaningless humor? = Rayman M, Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Rayman Raving Rabbids 2, Rayman Raving Rabbids TV Party, Rayman Origins, Rayman Jungle Run, Rayman Legends and Rayman Fiesta Run at the moment.

Then Rayman is a Fantasy/Dark Fantasy game and must remain that. Without follow wrong way in which it did so with Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc, Rayman Raving Rabbids etc.

And if a brand must has to follow a different path did it in the right way, remaining faithful to their own requirements.

This is what I think.

[Pirez]

As it would if Super Mario clean toilets instead to do the plumber?
As it would if Jill Valentine shoot the zombies with a hair dryer?

The Mario spinoffs are quite irreverant, most notably the Paper Mario series.
RE4 introduced a midget Napoleon. It was never expected to be taken seriously.

Also, there can be comedy inside of fantasy. Not every fantasy, even ones with darker elements (see : Labyrinth) has to be gritty and humorless. Does Spaceball really tarnish Star Wars?

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The Mario spinoffs are quite irreverant, most notably the Paper Mario series.
RE4 introduced a midget Napoleon. It was never expected to be taken seriously.

Also, there can be comedy inside of fantasy. Not every fantasy, even ones with darker elements (see : Labyrinth) has to be gritty and humorless. Does Spaceball really tarnish Star Wars?

In fact I said that to each his own.

Super Mario was intended as a platform. Whatever it's derived after it's just a deviation, so it can succeed as not. Indeed also the Paper Mario series is unwatchable in my opinion.
In the same period of Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc was published Mario Sunshine, simply weak, without the same originality and impact of the predecessors, and he was, not surprisingly, criticized by the fans and did not sell as expected.
Indeed look at Super Mario Bros. or Super Mario 64, they are perfect because they have maintained the integrity and essence of the game without distorting it.

Talking about The Legend Of Zelda. To pass from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask to Wind Waker (same period of Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc) is literally an offense for Zelda, simply unwatchable and silly. And in the same period of the awful Rayman Raving Rabbids was published Twilight Princess where the game begins looks identical at the beginning of Ocarina of Time but him looking like a nerdy fat guy "just came out of his room", not to say that the whole game is enough trivial, especially if compared to Ocarina Of Time that's simply wonderful.

Talking about Resident Evil 4. If you consider also Resident Evil has suffered of the 21st century decline as Rayman, and not only.
You think about how it was concrete and terrifying in Resident Evil, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil 3 and Resident Evil Survivor. From Resident Evil Code Veronica it has started to become trivial and also start to proposing remake of remake (as it happened to Rayman series because out of original ideas) for GameCube and at last ruined from Resident Evil 4 (just as it happened to Rayman from Rayman M/Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc/Rayman Raving Rabbids onwards) where the plot is disorganized and improbable, the creatures start to become more improbable and trivial than the plot and the game loses its true horror essence.
The same fate has befallen to the House Of The Dead, where the third title (also released in the same period of Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc) was really devoid of the previous thickness, in short "all graphics and shootings, zero thickness", and few sales too, not by chance.

I conclude by saying that humor is fine, but especially in titles that don't provide it, it must be marginal or at least in balance with the game itself. Literally can not replace the essence of the game itself (as for example it happened to Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc), this is where the mistake.

[NyaNyaLily]

Dude, you really should write your password down on paper.

[Pirez]

Let me summarize that statement (if I understood correctly) :

Rayman 3 is a disgrace
Zelda Wind Waker is a disgrace
Resident Evil 4 is a disgrace

That is the very definition of an unpopular opinion if I ever saw one.

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Let me summarize that statement (if I understood correctly) :

Rayman 3 is a disgrace
Zelda Wind Waker is a disgrace
Resident Evil 4 is a disgrace

That is the very definition of an unpopular opinion if I ever saw one.

Talking about The Legend Of Zelda. To pass from Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask to Wind Waker (same period of Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc) is literally an offense for Zelda, simply unwatchable and silly. And in the same period of the awful Rayman Raving Rabbids was published Twilight Princess where the game begins looks identical at the beginning of Ocarina of Time but him looking like a nerdy fat guy "just came out of his room", not to say that the whole game is enough trivial, especially if compared to Ocarina Of Time that's simply wonderful.

Zelda Ocarina Of Time intro (1998): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7mkGC_1yF0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC8qPtVOfx8
Zelda Wind Waker intro (2002): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyTgvancEok

Please don't fool ourselves!

Talking about Resident Evil 4. If you consider also Resident Evil has suffered of the 21st century decline as Rayman, and not only.
You think about how it was concrete and terrifying in Resident Evil, Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil 3 and Resident Evil Survivor. From Resident Evil Code Veronica it has started to become trivial and also start to proposing remake of remake (as it happened to Rayman series because out of original ideas) for GameCube and at last ruined from Resident Evil 4 (just as it happened to Rayman from Rayman M/Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc/Rayman Raving Rabbids onwards) where the plot is disorganized and improbable, the creatures start to become more improbable and trivial than the plot and the game loses its true horror essence.

Resident Evil 3 intro (1999): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG_6nvjDxBI
Resident EVil 4 intro (2005): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmpl4Pu3jhg

There is no comparison about the horror atmospheres of the two. The first shows corruption, conspiracy of silence, a devastated city, people who has lost everything, gloomy scenarios and tragedy. The second a trip to the country for an approximate investigation that will prove lethal. Somehow it sounds vaguely the plot of Resident Evil Survivor, except that the latter is much more epic in the plot and in the plots developments.

They will be unpopular, but at the time I wasn't the only one who thinks so.

[Eeeebray]

Gee, the belly part of Globox is a glitch, my best friend showed! If you can't take humour that's fine, but just stop shoving your opinions into others throat who disagree with you! We get it now! Seriously how many accounts did this guy already made?

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Gee, the belly part of Globox is a glitch, my best friend showed!

For first is a feature added by developers. Secondly forgive me but a glitch doesn't occurs just when André speaks almost to dub him with Globox's belly

Don't try to find excuses, please.

If you can't take humour that's fine, but just stop shoving your opinions into others throat who disagree with you! We get it now!

I reasoned only, not critical. And however this page is made for this. I accidentally noticed that this thread has reached within four days beyond 1100 views (at the moment) so I doubt that among those beyond 1100 views there is no one that's asking questions thanks to this "reasons".

[Eeeebray]

Gee, the belly part of Globox is a glitch, my best friend showed!

Forgive me, I don't think that's simply a glitch because that occurs just when André speaks almost to dub him with Globox's belly

Don't try to find excuses, please.

If you can't take humour that's fine, but just stop shoving your opinions into others throat who disagree with you! We get it now!

I reasoned only, not critical. And however this page is made for this. I accidentally noticed that this thread has reached within four days beyond 1100 views (at the moment) so I doubt that among those beyond 1100 views there is no one that's asking questions thanks to this "reasons".

Oh please, I myself got this glitch serial times! After André is stop talking, sometimes the belly stays that way, which actually shouldn't. My friend made the picture after André talked and the belly stayed that way, making it a little glitch. http://sailorraybloomdz.deviantart.com/ ... -285547548

I've should say that to you actually! *claps*

Are you proud now for all these views you got and by doing countless accounts, just to state your thoughts about Rayman 3, and the other games. If yes, congratulations! For me this discussion is over!

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Oh please, I myself got this glitch serial times! After André is stop talking, sometimes the belly stays that way, which actually shouldn't. My friend made the picture after André talked and the belly stayed that way, making it a little glitch. http://sailorraybloomdz.deviantart.com/ ... -285547548

I repeat that this is not a glitch because developers have really added that. If anything, the glitch appears because the belly (André) speaking without moving, but the fact remains that this "feature" was included by developers. Ask your friend to search through the PC version files, if him and you understand something about informatics.

I've should say that to you actually! *claps*

Unlike you I can be seriously applauded. I say what I think, motivating every reason, without hypocrisy.
Currently, I bet that there are many people that approves this thread but simply don't tell their opinion for discretion, or are fanatical at all costs just because it's called Rayman or at least hypocritically rejects it for fear of being the object of ridicule from the crowd. And I don't say it because it's my thread, indeed also if another person does a good thing I applause him because he deserves it!

Are you proud now for all these views you got and by doing countless accounts, just to state your thoughts about Rayman 3, and the other games.

I'm not here for the glory, I don't care, indeed I don't even a stable account.
Furthermore if you read better

I accidentally noticed

and therefore that I noticed the viewer numbers by chance. I repeat also that I have argued my thoughts, I haven't certainly said "this sucks because I say so". Then, what you say!

If yes, congratulations!

No! Therefore not congratulations for me.

For me this discussion is over!

Said this, also for me the discussion with you is over here. Greetings.

[RayCarrot]

This discussion is starting to feel very pointless. You dislike all Rayman games after Rayman 2 because of their less serious approach, fine, that's your opinion and I respect that. I personally think Rayman 3 is the least interesting game in the trilogy, but not because of your arguments. Your arguments are just your own personal opinions, but you make them seem more like facts which everyone should believe in as well.
For example here, how does the fact that Rayman's helicopter hair only functions when holding down the jump button rather than activating/deactivating make the game worse? I don't think you would have minded it as much if that was a part of Rayman 2 to begin with. Just the argument that you dislike Rayman 3 for being less serious is good enough, these other things just feel like small unimportant nitpicks.

Currently, I bet that there are many people that approves this thread but simply don't tell their opinion for discretion, or are fanatical at all costs just because it's called Rayman or at least hypocritically rejects it for fear of being the object of ridicule from the crowd. And I don't say it because it's my thread, indeed also if another person does a good thing I applause him because he deserves it!

First of all Rayman 3 and the newer games are actually considered by many to be the best Rayman games, but how does this even matter? Your opinion is fine, even though many others disagree with it. It doesn't make a difference how many critics etc. think like you, your opinion is still a valid one which I respect. But you trying to convince us about your opinion is pointless as your arguments are only your personal opinions on the game. It's not like we're going to suddenly notice how bad the games are all of the sudden just because you say why you don't like them in detail.

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For example here, how does the fact that Rayman's helicopter hair only functions when holding down the jump button rather than activating/deactivating make the game worse? I don't think you would have minded it as much if that was a part of Rayman 2 to begin with. Just the argument that you dislike Rayman 3 for being less serious is good enough, these other things just feel like small unimportant nitpicks.

Here I'm talking about whole:

RAYMAN 3 HOODLUM HAVOC (original 2003 GameCube version)
The game features a soundtrack decidedly weak and sometimes unbearable.
The characters are the bastardized copy and paste of the characters of Rayman 2 The Great Escape where developers and voice actors have brought out the worst in each of them: awful the new skin of Rayman and it has become an anti-hero who spends his days lounging, Murphy by a spirit guide has become a talkative and bad taste satyr, the Teensies known as builders gnomes have become less serious and a metamorphoses all-purpose, Globox from loyal assistant has become a coward out of mind, the fairies have disappeared, the Hoodlums seem sacks of potatoes and more than an enemy seem crazy disarray and Knaaren are those a bit more serious, but nothing that is clear!
Also in this game the plot is treated with inexistent seriousness and the gaming issues are treated with extreme superficiality. In Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc you can breathe the atmosphere of a world OF FOOLS!
Not to mention for finally atmospheres, trivial and not at engaging.

Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc was also pleasant, but unfortunately he is too contaminated with bulls**t that have nothing to do with this series.
Can you believe that Globox fart in a game like Rayman? Can you believe that languages ​​are selected through undergarments? Can you believe that Rayman fall down into Begoniax bathroom while Begoniax is sh*****g? Can you believe that in a Rayman game Begoniax almost rape Razoff? Can you believe that the invasion of a planet by a dark force is treated without at least the essential seriousness?

Ok but you forgets that the helicopter in Rayman 2 was developed for the super-helicopter also. If the super helicopter responded like Rayman 3 (that just release the button and the character fall down instead of volplane) would have been much easier to risk of falling into the lava, do not you think?

Furthermore these two quotes are not written by me, if they also said them in your opinion there will be a bit of truth in what I also say?

"Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc was seen as being mediocre, effectively turning its back on the mix of fantasy, humour, and story that had gained the previous games acclaim, and instead creating a game that was satrical about the genre, and series as a whole."

Nintendo Power article points out that Rayman 3 was generally seen from the fans as somewhat of a disappointment related to Rayman 2. The whole deal wasn't the humor--yeah, zombie chickens and such seemed silly, but at least their existence had some grounds and didn't appear just for kicks; R3 missed the atmosphere, seriousness, and strong storyline that the previous two games had--the gameplay was a huge difference as well. Much shorter, switching to the point system, and just the gameplay overall broke away from the traditional line and was considered by fans familiar with the series a stepdown. The developers focused on humour rather than the elements that made the predecessors what they are, and the fact Michel Ancel took no part in the development is a big factor. In fact, he stated somewhere that R3 didn't all reach his level of expectation. RobbieG 14:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

First of all Rayman 3 and the newer games are actually considered by many to be the best Rayman games, but how does this even matter? Your opinion is fine, even though many others disagree with it. It doesn't make a difference how many critics etc. think like you, your opinion is still a valid one which I respect. But you trying to convince us about your opinion is pointless as your arguments are only your personal opinions on the game. It's not like we're going to suddenly notice how bad the games are all of the sudden just because you say why you don't like them in detail.

Critics have also acclaimed the Rayman Raving Rabbids series for that matter, yet it's objectively a s**t.
On the rest I agree with you.

[Maz]

Ok. I'll humor you again once you've learned how to read. Meanwhile, have fun trying to be a troll.

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Ok. I'll humor you again once you've learned how to read. Meanwhile, have fun trying to be a troll.

I think that you having learn to read. And however if you humor me once again you are the only who have fun to trying to be a troll.

[Bradandez]

Reopening this thread was a mistake.

[blame]

Reopening this thread was a mistake.

Here's another pearl of wisdom, from one who comes on this page just to write these useless crap.

[RayCarrot]

First of all Rayman 3 and the newer games are actually considered by many to be the best Rayman games, but how does this even matter? Your opinion is fine, even though many others disagree with it. It doesn't make a difference how many critics etc. think like you, your opinion is still a valid one which I respect. But you trying to convince us about your opinion is pointless as your arguments are only your personal opinions on the game. It's not like we're going to suddenly notice how bad the games are all of the sudden just because you say why you don't like them in detail.

Critics have also acclaimed the Rayman Raving Rabbids series for that matter, yet it's objectively a s**t.

Once again you try making your opinion seem like a fact. Everyone doesn't agree with you that Raving Rabbids is a terrible game. I personally quite enjoyed the first Raving Rabbids game (not counting the PS2 or Xbox versions that it) as it was a decently fun minigame collection (it did have a lot of issues like any game of course, but it wasn't complete shit). I however don't like how it went with the rest of the Rabbid games as they were just uninspired copies of the first one with nothing new or exciting to make them stand out.

[Bradandez]

Reopening this thread was a mistake.

Here's another pearl of wisdom, from one who comes on this page just to write these useless crap.

Here's a pearl of wisdom for you, remember your password. You don't need multiple accounts to talk about your opinion.

[beverleyrock]

one of the best discussion that I've ever seen!! not agree on everything but I agree on most issues written by the author of this page. I support you!

hope that Michel Ancel read this page.. maybe a day

[NyaNyaLily]

That's just another account of you. Try making it just a little bit less obvious next time.