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Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:34 pm
by Tobbe
The 21+5x years can only be applied in cased where the convicted person is sentenced to forvaring (directly translated to English, I guess it means 'detainment'). Only sane people can be given such a sentence, and it can be extended by a maximum of five years at the time for as long as it's deemed necessary (this means it can be used as a de facto life sentence). People are only sentenced to detainment if the court consider it likely that he will repeat his crime or that he poses a threat to society in any other way. Additional years will not be added to people's sentences only for the sake of further punishing the convict.

The Utøya mass murderer will without a doubt receive a detainment sentence of 21 years. After 21 years his case will be re-evaluated if the prosecutor deems it necessary to extend the sentence (he will), and he will most likely get his sentence extended by another five years. I don't really see how this man could ever be deemed to not be a threat to society after what he did this friday.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:05 pm
by MLII
Good God. 400000 people? I already thought the guy was a sicko but...wow.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:13 pm
by Tobbe
He wanted to wage war on multiculturalism and the islamisation of Europe. He was very conserned with what he called the marxist-islamist attack on Christianity in Europe. The bastard.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:59 pm
by Keane
How could someone dislike our beautiful Europe? :cry:

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:22 pm
by spiraldoor
Haruka wrote:Holy crap, I've just seen in TV he intended to kill actually 400000 people in Europe, and about 10000 of them being from Portugal. :boon:
Did he mention how he planned to kill four hundred thousand people? It sounds like quite a laughable goal. Somehow I doubt he had a nuclear missile; was he expecting his actions to start some sort of revolution, and that others would follow his lead?
Tobbe wrote:He wanted to wage war on multiculturalism and the islamisation of Europe. He was very conserned with what he called the marxist-islamist attack on Christianity in Europe. The bastard.
I would say that the holding of culturally conservative views is entirely reasonable compared to what he actually did. It seems strange to me that you could stay perfectly calm while discussing the actual massacre but began calling the killer names as soon as Islamification was mentioned.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:25 pm
by Keane
spiraldoor wrote:
Haruka wrote:Holy crap, I've just seen in TV he intended to kill actually 400000 people in Europe, and about 10000 of them being from Portugal. :boon:
Did he mention how he planned to kill four hundred thousand people? It sounds like quite a laughable goal. Somehow I doubt he had a nuclear missile; was he expecting his actions to start some sort of revolution, and that others would follow his lead?
Tobbe wrote:He wanted to wage war on multiculturalism and the islamisation of Europe. He was very conserned with what he called the marxist-islamist attack on Christianity in Europe. The bastard.
I would say that the holding of culturally conservative views is entirely reasonable compared to what he actually did. It seems strange to me that you could stay perfectly calm while discussing the actual massacre but began calling the killer names as soon as Islamification was mentioned.
Let's not start about religious differences, shall we?

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:47 pm
by spiraldoor
RayTunes wrote:Let's not start about religious differences, shall we?
You seem to have missed my point entirely.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:48 pm
by Keane
spiraldoor wrote:
RayTunes wrote:Let's not start about religious differences, shall we?
You seem to have missed my point entirely.
Then what were you trying to say? :oops2:

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:02 pm
by Hunchman801
Spiral simply remarked that being concerned about the Islamisation of Europe is all but a crime.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:03 pm
by Keane
Hunchman801 wrote:Spiral simply remarked that being concerned about the Islamisation of Europe is all but a crime.
I can agree with that. :wink:

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:27 pm
by Tobbe
Killing almost 100 people is, though.

@spiral: Shut up, for once. Please.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:39 pm
by Haruka
spiraldoor wrote:Did he mention how he planned to kill four hundred thousand people? It sounds like quite a laughable goal. Somehow I doubt he had a nuclear missile; was he expecting his actions to start some sort of revolution, and that others would follow his lead?
I can't remember the reportage by heart but from what I saw, he seems to have written something with 1500 pages, in which he auto-proclamates as a knight or something. He also appeared to know how to build bombs and guns.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:37 pm
by spiraldoor
Tobbe wrote:@spiral: Shut up, for once. Please.
I simply found it strange that you seemed to have a stronger reaction to his political leanings than you did to the atrocity he committed. Fine, I’ll drop it.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:50 pm
by Rayfist
spiraldoor wrote:
Tobbe wrote:@spiral: Shut up, for once. Please.
I simply found it strange that you seemed to have a stronger reaction to his political leanings than you did to the atrocity he committed. Fine, I’ll drop it.
Why do people have so much hatred against spiral?

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:58 pm
by MLII
Because (no offense Spiral) he can be a real prick sometimes.

Other times, though, he's awesome.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 12:59 pm
by Rayfist
MLII wrote:Because he's almost constantly negative and he can be a real prick sometimes.

Other times, though, he's awesome.
You guys do have quite and oppinion, yeah I dont remember getting along too much in the past, other then that though in general I think hes chill

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:01 pm
by spiraldoor
MLII wrote:Because (no offense Spiral) he can be a real prick sometimes.
No, I don’t think so.

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:04 pm
by Tobbe
Oh, this should be super fun. :bigup:

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:05 pm
by Rayfist
Tobbe wrote:Oh, this should be super fun. :bigup:
*pats head*

Re: Off Topic

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 1:45 pm
by MLII
...I don't want yet another arguement, I'll just say that yes, Spiral, you can. But so am I sometimes, and so is nearly everyone else sometimes, so don't take it so personally.

Now, back to Norway.