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Xenon wrote:Why do you think it's justified for a Hitman to murder someone?

Well, maybe not a Hitman, but for a Bounty Hunter it is. It's their job, and a legal one at that.

Well, maybe not a Hitman, but for a Bounty Hunter it is. It's their job, and a legal one at that.

It's legal. But it is still as bad as the death penalty

Joshua822 wrote:It's legal.

Already said that.

I'm still not sure if anyone deserves to be killed.

Well, you never know. There are some horrible people out there that wouldn't return mercy with mercy. Only more trouble. I think if you commit murder countless times or other extream things that are completely evil and or insane, they should have the choice of either going to prison for life (or 6o years) or being executed. At least give them the choice.

If they really wanna die they won't have any problems killing themselves in prison.

If they wanted to die they'd commit suicide before even being asked the question.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/468592

lol, executed fairly well, this flash movie was.

Man, McCain got his ass kicked in that one

Hunchman801 wrote:

spiraldoor wrote:The first one is as alive as the second. What's more, it's innocent.

Not at all, unless you consider that all of your cells are as alive as you (which would make you a serial murderer). It has no conscience, it's not even human. As concerns the prisoner, have you ever heard of justice miscarriages? You can always free someone if he was unfairly jailed, but I doubt we can do anything for someone who has been sentenced to death

You're saying that a human cell is a human? Well, that's clearly not true. And when have I killed my cells? And yes, a foetus IS human, assuming its parents are. Just because it's young doesn't mean it's another species.
As for the justice miscarriage thing: you think that convicted murderers should not be punished, on the basis that there is an extremely low possibility that he's innocent and all the evidence that points against him is a coincidence?

Xenon wrote:Sentencing someone to death would disable reformity too - if you're religious, the Bible clearly states that every human has a right to reform if they want to do so, and then there's the troubles it could cause with such religious groups.

Allowing religion to guide us is a terrible mistake. If it wasn't for religion, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. We should not allow nonsensical beliefs to decide who lives and dies.

Xenon wrote:Isn't it arguable that killing a murderer is essentially also being murderous?

Yes, but killing a murderer is justified, unlike actual murder. You think the guy that carried out the hanging of Saddam under orders should be imprisoned for murder?

Xenon wrote:How can a kill for a kill solve anything?

By giving justice to the family and friends of the murderer's victim, dissuading other people from murdering and stopping the murderer from beng a drain on the economy for the rest of his life?

Xenon wrote:Plus, how could the government determine when to give the death penalty?

By having a referendum on whether a murder should be punished by death, whether a rape should be punished by death etc.

Xenon wrote:How serious would the crime need to be in order to justify a death sentence?

See above.

Joshua822 wrote:

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. A lot of women get pregnant after getting raped. Should they not be allowed abotion? And there's no foolproof way of prevention. Condoms, birth control pills and all other forms of prevention have a fail rate.

Democracy fails because of ignorants like you two...

To come back at this, i already stated when i think abortion should be granted.

Spiraldoor, if someone kills someone, they deserve dead penalty, yes ? And the guy that pulls the trigger, he should get death penalty to then, and the guy that pulls the trigger then deserves dead penalty and so on Please don't talk if you don't know where you're talking about, please -_-

"The guy who pulls the trigger"? You seem to think I am in favour of execution only by firing squad. If a professional executioner injects a condemned man with cyonide under orders from his superiors, I never said that should be considered murder. Joshua, the last part of your post seemed particularly silly.
And Joshua, you say a woman should only be allowed abortion if the pregnancy threatens her life. So you don't think she should be allowed abortion in the event of rape?

Allowing religion to guide us is a terrible mistake. If it wasn't for religion, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. We should not allow nonsensical beliefs to decide who lives and dies.

Yes, I've heard this in RE. There's an area in the world where it's a belief, that women should be kept at home as sex slaves- "machines" just to re-produce. People are trying to stop this and you can imagine how hard this would be etc.

And Joshua, you say a woman should only be allowed abortion if the pregnancy threatens her life. So you don't think she should be allowed abortion in the event of rape?

I stated clearly that a woman should be granted abortion when she is raped.

Allowing religion to guide us is a terrible mistake. If it wasn't for religion, 9/11 wouldn't have happened. We should not allow nonsensical beliefs to decide who lives and dies.

This is seriously wrong. Religion is a very good thing. But there are always people that take it to far ( for example, Bush acted like a christian, but would a christian start a war ? ) This argument doesn't fly at all.

Yes, I've heard this in RE. There's an area in the world where it's a belief, that women should be kept at home as sex slaves- "machines" just to re-produce. People are trying to stop this and you can imagine how hard this would be etc.

This doesn't mean religion in generally is wrong. Keeping woman as "machine"' is, tough, teribly, teribly, wrong.

You're saying that a human cell is a human? Well, that's clearly not true.

It is true. If you had payed attention in your biology class you would clearly know that we are made from them.

And yes, a foetus IS human, assuming its parents are. Just because it's young doesn't mean it's another species.

Agreed.

As for the justice miscarriage thing: you think that convicted murderers should not be punished, on the basis that there is an extremely low possibility that he's innocent and all the evidence that points against him is a coincidence?

Maybe there is only a extremely low possibility, but it's there.

By giving justice to the family and friends of the murderer's victim, dissuading other people from murdering and stopping the murderer from beng a drain on the economy for the rest of his life?

If my family got killed, i would be more happy to see the murdered rot in jail.

This doesn't mean religion in generally is wrong. Keeping woman as "machine"' is, tough, teribly, teribly, wrong.

I didn't say anything about religion is wrong, I just disagree with it being an excuse to do things that are wrong. (:

Religion, in my point of view, is good, depending on which religion it is and how the person acts on that religion. IE: A Christian that believes God is telling him/her to go out and stab somebody. But, most Christians who think that are certifiably insane.

spiraldoor wrote:Allowing religion to guide us is a terrible mistake.

Did you know, a lot of parables from the Bible contain morals that are in the Constitution, and those morals have yet to be amended from it? There are reasons to that.

Unless science has proved so other wise, I believe in what I believe and not a religion.

The problem is that science hasn't proven evolution either. That's why i said that both should be viewed at at school.

In truth, even Charles Darwin himself said that evolution can't be real, before he died.

Religion isn't a problem at all. It's the people within these religious groups that cause death and destruction. Saying that religion is wholly responsible for 9/11 is complete nonsense.

Joshua822 wrote:The problem is that science hasn't proven evolution either. That's why i said that both should be viewed at at school.

Science has also not proven there is or was a god.

It also hasn't disproved the existence, that's why it's merely a belief.