Rayman Origins

[sergiomonty]

I think you're the one exaggerating; it's impossible to get the maximum score in most levels by playing normally.

Dude, if we're talking about unlockables, Rayman Origins is EASY. Even the Tricky Treasure Challenges and the Land of the Livid Dead, those are just a bunch of unexpected traps; once you learn and memorize the entire sequence, it's just a fast paced sidescroller. Getting all of the lums is easy! sometimes I do it accidentally. There's something called "Replay value", if you weren't forced to show your skills and reflexes in a game to unlock everything and beat the game at 100%, then it wouldn't feel rewarding. That's the point of gaming

[Haruka]

The biggest challenge in single-player mode of RO is to get Lum Medals in Moskito levels. I did pass a bad while to get the two ones from Moody Clouds.

[Fauch]

agreed, those 2 were particurlarly horrible. well, I got them at the 1st try, but I kept suiciding myself on purpose until I could score decently. well, on other moskito levels too, but that would be because I missed just one enemy, not like 10 of them like in moody clouds. seriously, in the end I couldn't even be bothered anymore...

[need my speed]

I think you're the one exaggerating; it's impossible to get the maximum score in most levels by playing normally.

Dude, if we're talking about unlockables, Rayman Origins is EASY. Even the Tricky Treasure Challenges and the Land of the Livid Dead, those are just a bunch of unexpected traps; once you learn and memorize the entire sequence, it's just a fast paced sidescroller. Getting all of the lums is easy! sometimes I do it accidentally. There's something called "Replay value", if you weren't forced to show your skills and reflexes in a game to unlock everything and beat the game at 100%, then it wouldn't feel rewarding. That's the point of gaming

Do note that I said levels like, the Tricky Treasure challenges or the time trial mode when you bump into a clock are perfectly fine. Further, I'm not complaining they're too hard, because, indeed, they aren't.

My complaint is that the whole game is cluttered with these speed challenges; you can't really enjoy a level, you're always rushing through. As opposed to Rayman 2, where you could explore and look around. But here, you accidentally touch a bush, some lums appear, which you have to get quickly before they disappear, and before you know, you're half a level further.

I'm not saying it's hard or anything - because it isn't - but I feel forced to speed through levels just to get costumes. There's a tangible reward - costumes - for rushing through levels. And that shouldn't be the case. Or at least, not in normal levels.

Hell, make half of the costumes linked to finding all the cages, and the other half to the time trial variants of levels - that makes you do each level twice, which adds replayability, but doesn't interupt the 'main game', the first time you play a level, because now you can truely explore a level, not rushing through.

[Fauch]

nothing prevents you from taking your time the 1st time and then replay the level to get every lums. don't expect to do perfect combos in the 1st playthrough, for example in swinging caves, all the lums and lividstones near the lums king in X2

[spiraldoor]

The design of RO encourages speedruns. Even if you make a conscious decision not to try for a high score, it’s impossible to relax as completely as you can in R1 and R2; very laid-back games which exert little pressure on the player. R3 is somewhere in the middle.

[Fauch]

ah yes it's true. but you play completely differently when you are scoring and when you are in time trial. I find scoring much more relaxed, only lums kings force you to be fast, and even then, if you try to just catch the obvious serie of lums you were intended to catch with the lums king and nothing more, you usually don't need to be very fast.

note that it not only encourages speedruns but makes them easy as well.

[spiraldoor]

I mean that the structure of the levels and the positioning of the collectibles encourage the player to run and jump non-stop, regardless of whether they’re doing a time trial or playing through the level normally. R1 and R2 are much more relaxing. Sometimes they’re difficult, but they’re never frantic.

[need my speed]

Indeed, and that's what I meant. The game itself is much more fast paced, and while I would say it's a good game, I vastly prefer, say, Rayman 2.

[Haruka]

Rayman 2 is still the best one of the quadrilogy.

[ikke471]

^ makes me >=[

let's get back on topic

[need my speed]

But it's true! Rayman 2 is just a great game, and I really like all its different iterations; the PC version, Revolution, the PS1 version, the Dreamcast version... They all are unique and add new, awesome stuff!

But, ok.

[Adsolution]

^ makes me >=[

let's get back on topic

We're on topic, in fact, we've been talking about Origins for a long time.

I do agree, Rayman 2 probably is the best game, though I think it's debateable.

[Haruka]

There are people who say it is Rayman 1, or even Rayman 3, but for me it is honestly Rayman 2. Rayman 1 comes in second for me.

[Rayfist]

Rayman 2 is still the best one of the quadrilogy.

in my honest opinion 1 was my favorite, I'm not going to be saying "RAYMAN 1 WAZ TEH BEST CUZ IT WAS CLASSIC."
No... Rayman 1 felt like an experience, a lush feeling going across when you explore the most beautiful colorful worlds in such a game.
Sorry about that. Lets get back on topic.

[Fauch]

I mean that the structure of the levels and the positioning of the collectibles encourage the player to run and jump non-stop, regardless of whether they’re doing a time trial or playing through the level normally. R1 and R2 are much more relaxing. Sometimes they’re difficult, but they’re never frantic.

well, you spend half of rayman 2 sliding, riding missiles or plums along lava rivers, flying with barrels, etc... it's not exactly the most relaxing.

[Adsolution]

I mean that the structure of the levels and the positioning of the collectibles encourage the player to run and jump non-stop, regardless of whether they’re doing a time trial or playing through the level normally. R1 and R2 are much more relaxing. Sometimes they’re difficult, but they’re never frantic.

well, you spend half of rayman 2 sliding, riding missiles or plums along lava rivers, flying with barrels, etc... it's not exactly the most relaxing.

That's not nearly half the game. There are two or three levels dedicated to speed and precision, while there are about six or seven others that feature short segments of sliding/riding action. More than half the levels in the game are more relaxed while still providing a challenge, and then once in a while you get a speed level thrown at you. It's perfectly balanced, whereas Origins I truly think lacks some variety. Aside from the underwater worlds, all the areas basically feature similar gameplay with just a change of scenery.

[metalflygon08]

In all honesty though, if Rayman 1-3's collectibles all disappeared after a set time, the games too would be fast-paced.

[need my speed]

Yep. But they don't. And I don't like the fact that they do in Origins.

Oh well, let's go over Rayman 2.

The Marshes of Awakening
A tiny part of The Sanctuary of Water and Ice
About half (?) of The Menhir Hills
I suppose you could also count the plum-riding segments, but I'd disagree with that assessment; you can control the plum perfectly fine, you aren't pushed to go forward
The Precipice, I suppose
About half (?) of The Echoing Caves
Parts of Beneah the Sanctuary of Rock and Lava, I suppose
A tiny part of The Iron Mountains
Most of The Prison Ship

And that's everything I could think of. Still, because Rayman 2 is 3D, these 'speed' levels are much better, and in fact, don't feel as a speed level to me at all. I also wouldn't count plum-riding segments as speed levels, but, I just listed everything I could think of. But then again, I suppose The Canopy and The Tomb of Ancients could also count as speed levels; spiders chase you.

But still, you aren't forced into those speed levels. You can control the plum - you aren't rushing through the level. You can kill the spiders. And also, speed, here, is slower than in Rayman Origins, and three-dimensional. It's less rushed, and, to me, provides a more enjoyable experience. I love The Precipice (I suppose a large part of that is subconsciously because of the music, but I still like the level itself) and the sanctuaries, I don't see them as speed levels.

Rayman Origins is faster, two-dimensional, and has a one-shot-kill system (I just coined this term, but you get what I mean ), and on top of that, about every single level is a speed level. Rayman 2 has less speed parts, they're slower than in Origins, and they become even less speedy because most of the time you have more area to manouver in (three-dimensional) and because it has an actual health system (which, however, doesn't matter in the speed levels of Rayman 2, but because Rayman Origins is a speed 'game', it has much more variables (as in, enemies, stuff that hurts you) that make the game even more fast-paced, that would have less an impact with a health system).

Well, that was a long post, and I mostly repeated what I said previously... Oh well.

[spiraldoor]

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