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MLII wrote:All I remember about him is that his username was either Kelvin12 or Kelvin8 and he hated my guts.

why do they hate you

spiraldoor wrote:What do you want me to do – use more smilies and exclamation marks? Throw in a few ‘lol’s and ‘omg’s?

Rayfan obviously isn't asking that. And besides, it would be disturbing seeing that kind of personality.

Well, I was going to provide the evidence you ask for spiral, by quoting several posts from threads near the top of this forum's index page. But then I decided it's not worth the bother, really. If you don't know who you are yourself, it won't take a simple quote to change that. I'm sorry you have to view others the way you do and I fear that if we keep going on on this it will go out of hand quite quickly indeed. You are right; you do not need to adapt smilies to every single post you make. I noticed I use them excessively over here as well, for some reason, a habit I have never before had - maybe it's because everyone here seems to do it. I dunno. But people use smilies if they want to and I, and also you, are not in a position to judge that. And the criticism on Rayfan's style, well, it's as childish as saying 'I don't like the way you dress'. I just hope everyone will come to insight of this right here and right now, because if we don't, these 'sides' we seem to be picking aren't going to improve relations here on the forum.
One of the more blunt ways to put my message is "stop this now or there will be trouble", but I don't like to threaten on behalf of officials - especially since it's not my place to do so at all.

So; let's move on. I'm going to try to attract attention to something I said earlier:

Shrooblord wrote:By the way, on the note of R:TAS, I remember reading in the 'Rayman himself' thread that, and I think this is correct, Cairnie was uploading the series to YouTube? Whoever it was, how's that progress? I'd love to watch the series again as I have literally no clue at all what it was about anymore.

I happen to use diferent writing style for humorous posts and serious ones. I appreciate your style, spiral (take that, RayFan!) but I think you could use more spacious way of saying what you want to say. Otherwise it becomes some kind of lorem ipsum to me, especially with taking RPC's color theme into account - it was unfortunately designed for shorter posts.

I don't ask you to shorten your posts though, but throwing some newlines and bullet lists in here and over would be really helpful with longer ones. I hope you are not going to ignore this post, becuase it's relatively simple request (in form) and any arguments against my point would be interesting.

Haruka wrote:

spiraldoor wrote:What do you want me to do – use more smilies and exclamation marks? Throw in a few ‘lol’s and ‘omg’s?

Rayfan obviously isn't asking that. And besides, it would be disturbing seeing that kind of personality.

How do you know? Rayfan seems to be advocating a return to the posting style of my fourteen-year-old self. Back then, I actually did make posts with smilies and exclamation marks and ‘lol’s and ‘omg’s. It certainly seems that this is what Rayfan wants.

Shrooblord wrote:But people use smilies if they want to and I, and also you, are not in a position to judge that. And the criticism on Rayfan's style, well, it's as childish as saying 'I don't like the way you dress'.

Are you aware of the hypocrisy of this statement? I am willing to tolerate posts that are filled with smiles. I tolerate all sorts of posts that I don’t like. Rayfan, however, does not seem willing to tolerate my posts, and is asking me to change them. I have never asked anyone to change their posting style – never.

spiraldoor wrote:

Shrooblord wrote:But people use smilies if they want to and I, and also you, are not in a position to judge that. And the criticism on Rayfan's style, well, it's as childish as saying 'I don't like the way you dress'.

Are you aware of the hypocrisy of this statement? I am willing to tolerate posts that are filled with smiles. I tolerate all sorts of posts that I don’t like. Rayfan, however, does not seem willing to tolerate my posts, and is asking me to change them. I have never asked anyone to change their posting style – never.

Touche, spiral. Touche. (Can't seem to find the accent on the e here... oh well.)

I think what Rayfan meant to say though is that she rather enjoyed reading your, let's call it 'happier' posts, as opposed to your now, more 'adult and serious' ones. That's all, I think. Though I agree sometimes, in some cases, you could tone down on the nitpicking and criticising though. Sometimes.

Spiral, I don't think that's what RayFan was saying, and it's certainly not what I was. We weren't telling you to change it back, you can do what you want, we were saying we preferred your personality back then.

that3Dguy wrote: why do they hate you

Oh believe me, I know about as much as you on that front.

...Maybe it's because he only know 11yo!Milly and just didn;t bother with me from then on. >>

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spiraldoor wrote:Why do you bring up your ‘stepsister’ posts at every opportunity? You claim that you want everyone to forget about them, yet you talk about them more than everyone else here combined.

...Spiral, I wasn't JUST talking about THAT ONE THREAD. I was like that for, ooh, a year? What, did you not notice? Cus the rest of the forum did.

And FTR it was PART OF THE CONVERSATION. What, am I not supposed to participate in conversations now?

This is why I don't bohter with this place half the time any more.

stan423321 wrote:I happen to use diferent writing style for humorous posts and serious ones. I appreciate your style, spiral (take that, RayFan!) but I think you could use more spacious way of saying what you want to say. Otherwise it becomes some kind of lorem ipsum to me, especially with taking RPC's color theme into account - it was unfortunately designed for shorter posts.

I don't ask you to shorten your posts though, but throwing some newlines and bullet lists in here and over would be really helpful with longer ones. I hope you are not going to ignore this post, becuase it's relatively simple request (in form) and any arguments against my point would be interesting.

I’m not quite sure what you mean – despite what you might hear, I generally don’t post many ‘walls of text’ that could benefit from restructuring. When you mention ‘newlines’, are you referring to Rsandee’s style, which can be seen in his recent posts in the religion thread? In other words, a layout where each new sentence is accompanied by a new line? I’m not a big fan of the ‘irregular list’ look; I prefer my paragraphs to be nice horizontal rectangles (just like this one).

Shrooblord wrote:Touche, spiral. Touche. (Can't seem to find the accent on the e here... oh well.)

Press one of the vowel keys while hólding down ‘Alt gr’.

Shrooblord wrote:I think what Rayfan meant to say though is that she rather enjoyed reading your, let's call it 'happier' posts, as opposed to your now, more 'adult and serious' ones. That's all, I think. Though I agree sometimes, in some cases, you could tone down on the nitpicking and criticising though. Sometimes.

I’m not fazed by the idea that certain members dislike some of my posts – it’s not as if I like all of theirs. However, I do take issue with the ‘nitpicking and criticising’ part; if anyone is willing to provide some recent and relevant examples of these alleged transgressions, I would be glad to take a look at them.

MLII wrote:Spiral, I don't think that's what RayFan was saying, and it's certainly not what I was. We weren't telling you to change it back, you can do what you want, we were saying we preferred your personality back then.

Rayfan’s closing line, ‘you need to play your part as well’, seems to be some sort of vague request to modify my posting style. Clarification would be welcome.

MLII wrote:...Spiral, I wasn't JUST talking about THAT ONE THREAD. I was like that for, ooh, a year? What, did you not notice? Cus the rest of the forum did.

And FTR it was PART OF THE CONVERSATION. What, am I not supposed to participate in conversations now?

This is why I don't boehter with this place half the time any more.

My point still stands: nobody was attempting to remind you of your unseemly past, yet you brought it up anyway – in order to ask people not to mention it, inexplicably enough. And you weren’t attempting to contribute to the discussion – you were quite clearly trying to bring an end to it. Rayfan happened to agree with me on this particular issue; I find it strange that your response was directed solely at me.

Haruka's right, I'm not asking you to overload your posts with smilies and rainbows, but you're missing the point completely. Me, I insert a smiley once in a while, but I'd hardly call it an overdose.

(Just pointing out, by "style" I meant the new way you post in general.)

I never said your older posts were better, but they were certainly more welcoming. You can be just as welcoming while remaining serious and mature, but you seem to prefer the route of obliterating all sense of "life" through and from your posts. I myself dislike an overdose of smilies and <3<3<3 ^O^ emots, but that wasn't the point I was making. I wasn't concerned with the ornaments to make your post flashy, I was concerned with the overall structure and meaning behind your posts. It's sort of a tradeoff between now and your older self. Before, you seemed like a happy and welcoming person, though your posts didn't have a ton of value. Now, you've seemingly thrown away all that sense of "life" and traded it for intelligence. Why can't you have both? In short it feels as if you have absolutely no character about you other than being the grumpy, tired, unshaven fellow hunched over the kitchen table, sipping his coffee at 6 in the morning (please excuse my analogies).

By "play your part," I simply mean... it would be nice if you could act a little more welcoming in your posts. I understand if you're not a super lively exuberant human being, but reading what you post projects the atmosphere of a flat, grey and strict business cubical. It's like the difference between giving an interesting public speech and reading an instruction manual.

spiraldoor wrote:How do you know? Rayfan seems to be advocating a return to the posting style of my fourteen-year-old self. Back then, I actually did make posts with smilies and exclamation marks and ‘lol’s and ‘omg’s. It certainly seems that this is what Rayfan wants.

I remember the smileys but the "lols" and "omgs" not.

spiraldoor wrote: Rayfan’s closing line, ‘you need to play your part as well’, seems to be some sort of vague request to modify my posting style. Clarification would be welcome.

...Again, I think she means your attitude as opposed to the style of post.

spiraldoor wrote:My point still stands: nobody was attempting to remind you of your unseemly past, yet you brought it up anyway – in order to ask people not to mention it, inexplicably enough. And you weren’t attempting to contribute to the discussion – you were quite clearly trying to bring an end to it.

Well, it was just my way of saying "I was a moronic bitch back in 2009" without actually saying it, and trying to throw humour in at the same time. Before you say that isn't funny, I generally do have a weird sense of humour so I can understand that confusing you. xD Just, um, disregard that.

spiraldoor wrote:Rayfan happened to agree with me on this particular issue; I find it strange that your response was directed solely at me.

...Again, my bad. I did see Rayfan's post and I did have a reply to it, I just forgot to post it.

spiraldoor wrote:

Shrooblord wrote:Touche, spiral. Touche. (Can't seem to find the accent on the e here... oh well.)

Press one of the vowel keys while hólding down ‘Alt gr’.

Hmm... I know what you mean since I've seen it on other keyboards before, but my keyboard only has two normal Alts. Also pressing either of them opens up the menu bar in the top of my browser, like the regular Alt key would normally do. I guess accentuated letters are just not meant for me.

spiraldoor wrote: I’m not fazed by the idea that certain members dislike some of my posts – it’s not as if I like all of theirs. However, I do take issue with the ‘nitpicking and criticising’ part; if anyone is willing to provide some recent and relevant examples of these alleged transgressions, I would be glad to take a look at them.

Yes, well, I was afraid you would take those two terms offensively. I was trying to find the right words to, in some way, try to bring over what I mean without actually sounding harsh and scorning. This is one more reason why written text can become confusing and cause misunderstandings far more often than an actual conversation would. They are offensive words, granted, but what I meant to say is that sometimes you try to burn down someone's post for no reason at all. Maybe you find it fun to do, I don't know. What I wanted to say with that is that it would make you come over as a nicer person if you would do it less often, or only if the matter really really matters to you or concerns you. Maybe you don't care about looking like a nice guy. I don't know you so I wouldn't have a clue. It's up to you what you make of my suggestions and/or advice.
Oh, and as I said earlier, I am not going to look through all the threads here to find where you perform such deeds as I seem to be pointing out - you could do so yourself far more easily by clicking the 'View your posts' link up top near the navbar. Then you can judge for yourself where you think I might have been referring to.

RayFan9876 wrote:I never said your older posts were better, but they were certainly more welcoming. You can be just as welcoming while remaining serious and mature, but you seem to prefer the route of obliterating all sense of "life" through and from your posts. I myself dislike an overdose of smilies and <3<3<3 ^O^ emots, but that wasn't the point I was making. I wasn't concerned with the ornaments to make your post flashy, I was concerned with the overall structure and meaning behind your posts. It's sort of a tradeoff between now and your older self. Before, you seemed like a happy and welcoming person, though your posts didn't have a ton of value. Now, you've seemingly thrown away all that sense of "life" and traded it for intelligence. Why can't you have both? In short it feels as if you have absolutely no character about you other than being the grumpy tired and unshaven fellow hunched over the kitchen table, sipping his coffee at 6 in the morning.

By "play your part," I simply mean... it would be nice if you could act a little more welcoming in your posts. I understand if you're not a super lively exuberant human being, but reading what you post projects the atmosphere of a flat, grey business cubical. It's like the difference between giving an interesting public speech and reading an instruction manual.

I don’t understand what you mean when you say that my posts lack a ‘sense of life’. They seem perfectly lively to me. I don’t consider myself any less ‘happy and welcoming’ than I was three years ago. It’s difficult to argue against the inferences about my personality which you seem to have drawn from my posts, as I don’t understand your chain of logic. Where does the ‘kitchen table’ etc come from?

Are you *sure* you’re not talking about smilies and exclamation marks? Perhaps these elements affect your grasp of tone more than you are aware. Smilies are the only significant stylistic difference I can discern between my posts and Hunch’s, and nobody seems to be bothered by his.

Shrooblord wrote:Yes, well, I was afraid you would take those two terms offensively. I was trying to find the right words to, in some way, try to bring over what I mean without actually sounding harsh and scorning. This is one more reason why written text can become confusing and cause misunderstandings far more often than an actual conversation would. They are offensive words, granted, but what I meant to say is that sometimes you try to burn down someone's post for no reason at all. Maybe you find it fun to do, I don't know. What I wanted to say with that is that it would make you come over as a nicer person if you would do it less often, or only if the matter really really matters to you or concerns you. Maybe you don't care about looking like a nice guy. I don't know you so I wouldn't have a clue. It's up to you what you make of my suggestions and/or advice.
Oh, and as I said earlier, I am not going to look through all the threads here to find where you perform such deeds as I seem to be pointing out - you could do so yourself far more easily by clicking the 'View your posts' link up top near the navbar. Then you can judge for yourself where you think I might have been referring to.

As I have said already, I am not easy to offend. I took issue with your use of the words ‘nitpicking’ and ‘criticising’ because I disagreed with them and did not quite understand them, not because I found them offensive. I do not recall ‘burning down people’s posts for no reason’. Searching for such posts by myself has the dual drawbacks that I am both unable to recognise the alleged post-arson and unable to defend my actions. I have glanced through the posts I made over the last week or so, and I have found nothing that I consider objectionable or unjustifiable. As such I would appreciate some examples. One or two might be enough.

My posts from two or three years ago really weren’t as welcoming as some of you seem to think they were. Perhaps you are looking at them through rose-tinted spectacles; or simply enjoying the novelty of seeing me make silly posts. I often criticised members who made spelling mistakes, I posted enough spam to get myself a warning, and even trolled Tobbe enough to get myself banned at one point. Then I realised that acting like a child was kind of stupid, so I grew up. No, I certainly wasn’t more ‘happy and welcoming’ back then than I am now.

spiraldoor wrote:Are you *sure* you’re not talking about smilies and exclamation marks? Perhaps these elements affect your grasp of tone more than you are aware. Smilies are the only significant stylistic difference I can discern between my posts and Hunch’s, and nobody seems to be bothered by his.

It will admit that it does taint my perception a little bit, but I believe smilies actually have their proper place if what's said is absolutely unclear in context or emotion. That's debatable though and not too important right now.

I've said this before, but it's really quite hard to describe. You and Hunch speak in a similar manor, but this again traces back to the defensive/argumentative side. You feel the urge to argue or correct almost everything that isn't one-hundred percent correct, even when it really doesn't matter to the situation. It happens a lot. Hunch however does not and shows some natural restraint. There's a time and a place for everything, and that's usually judged fine by our intuition, as well as whether we should make a big deal out of it or not. You tend to make a big deal out of small errors or comments frequently, and it's quite annoying.

I don't necessarily like the the way I overuse capital letters sometimes either, or the fact that I might say something on an odd way. It may be strange, but it's actually caused by my OCD. Sometimes I just can't make myself rephrase something properly or else I feel as if I'm somehow "disgracing the original thought," making me feel sick.

RayFan9876 wrote:I've said this before, but it's really quite hard to describe. You and Hunch speak in a similar manor, but this again traces back to the defensive/argumentative side. You feel the urge to argue or correct almost everything that isn't one-hundred percent correct, even when it really doesn't matter to the situation. It happens a lot. Hunch however does not and shows some natural restraint. There's a time and a place for everything, and that's usually judged fine by our intuition, as well as whether we should make a big deal out of it or not. You tend to make a big deal out of small errors or comments frequently, and it's quite annoying.

As I’ve said several times, I really would like someone to provide links to a couple of example posts. I’m not aware of any particular ‘urge’ to argue with other people or correct their mistakes, but you inform me that I do this ‘frequently’ and ‘a lot’. How can I refute this when I don’t know what you’re talking about?

spiraldoor wrote:I do not recall ‘burning down people’s posts for no reason’. Searching for such posts by myself has the dual drawbacks that I am both unable to recognise the alleged post-arson and unable to defend my actions. I have glanced through the posts I made over the last week or so, and I have found nothing that I consider objectionable or unjustifiable. As such I would appreciate some examples. One or two might be enough.

Before I get serious I'd just like to say I really liked your words for 'post-arson' and 'rose-tinted spectacles'... I've always liked the expression with the spectacles.
Ah yes here we are again with the offence. See I seem to find it hard to bring to words what I mean to say here. It's I guess because usually when I use the words I use people know exactly what I'm saying, but with you I need to say precisely what I mean and that needs some practise. So, let me get this right now.
When I say you sounded offended, I meant that because you use the construction of sentences you do, you can sound like you're underexcited or even disappointed about certain things that have been said. This leads to the conclusion that you have been offended in some way, in my view, and apparently this is incorrect. I will keep this in mind.
I also realise it could be hard to find such posts and this is because you're viewing it from your perspective whereas I'm viewing it from mine, which is one in which I myself am trying to view it from the perspective of the person receiving your commentary, if that makes any sense at all. I do not wish to look for some threads right now as it is indeed quite late for me after a long week of long nights (due to that contest of which I'm still not aware if I'm participating or not...). I will point out some 'harsh' comments you might make in the future though, if you wish. And if I do so I will try to clearly and most objectively put in words why I found it harsh or, as I called it previously, 'burning'.

spiraldoor wrote:My posts from two or three years ago really weren’t as welcoming as some of you seem to think they were. Perhaps you are looking at them through rose-tinted spectacles; or simply enjoying the novelty of seeing me make silly posts. I often criticised members who made spelling mistakes, I posted enough spam to get myself a warning, and even trolled Tobbe enough to get myself banned at one point. Then I realised that acting like a child was kind of stupid, so I grew up. No, I certainly wasn’t more ‘happy and welcoming’ back then than I am now.

Yep, that's what I thought was the case. I think they all remember you being more welcoming because, even though you also made the same type of posts as you do now, you also sometimes dropped a casual comment on nice progress or amazing work. It's fine if you don't want to do that anymore, but I think that's where they're all coming from.

Forgive me if something in my post doesn't seem to make sense - I'm now getting quite tired and I think my logic might start to be flawing... let's continue this some other time if you still want to.

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Oh, and if you want some links to posts, spiral, I suggest looking around the official threads when it comes to official content. You seem to be most argumentative in those, I've noticed. Can't think of any examples right now though, because, like I said, my weariness is starting to accumalate and I think I'm going to head off for a nice night of rest in a minute.

EDITII:
You might like or dislike this however you pick this up, but the picture of Mr. Dark you have, spiral, actually looks like it's holding those 'tainted sunglasses'.

spiraldoor wrote:

stan423321 wrote:...

I’m not quite sure what you mean – despite what you might hear, I generally don’t post many ‘walls of text’ that could benefit from restructuring. When you mention ‘newlines’, are you referring to Rsandee’s style, which can be seen in his recent posts in the religion thread? In other words, a layout where each new sentence is accompanied by a new line? I’m not a big fan of the ‘irregular list’ look; I prefer my paragraphs to be nice horizontal rectangles (just like this one).

As long as they are as small as currently they are, it is not a problem. However, sometimes longer do happen - and I don't want to search for them. They just happen sometimes.

spiraldoor wrote:

Shrooblord wrote:Touche, spiral. Touche. (Can't seem to find the accent on the e here... oh well.)

Press one of the vowel keys while hólding down ‘Alt gr’.

Now I feel offended spiral, because ę.

About the debate: TL;DR.
And back on topic, Emile Ghorayeb just replied.

Hey dude,

I can't find anything. That stuff is long gone.

Sorry

Oh well. Anyway, I'll try to find some other info.
I'm contacting the composers now to see if they still have their soundtrack of the series. You never know. If they do, it would be awesome for RayTunes

Drolpiraat wrote:About the debate: TL;DR.
And back on topic, Emile Ghorayeb just replied.

Hey dude,

I can't find anything. That stuff is long gone.

Sorry

Oh well. Anyway, I'll try to find some other info.
I'm contacting the composers now to see if they still have their soundtrack of the series. You never know. If they do, it would be awesome for RayTunes

Any luck so far? This would be a really interesting discovery.

I dont know if you guys remember, then the Animated series was in the tv there was a advertising.

It was a question to get Rayman prices, like T-shirts and other things.
And did somebody have the video from the advertising?

Im not sure if the advertising was in all countries, because i saw it only in german.

Anyway thanks for reading ^^