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I don't know... I'm pretty meh with the magician becoming a Teensy, it's not like it changed too drastically the whole concept, at least he kinda looks like the Magician, unlike what happened to the Photographer.

Rendell wrote:I don't like Magician as teensie, but fanart is really amazing. Who's the artist?

Here's the direct link:
http://anzhyra.deviantart.com/favourite ... 8#/d4ztqup

The Google Image search function is true bliss.
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It's a great piece of work indeed! Looking at this one picture has suddenly taught me a completely new way to produce luminous effects in drawings.

Shrooblord, thanks.
sergiomonty, yeah, I am also amused of good concept of teensie-Magician, but... uhm... Original Magician looks more special, individual and cute.
Also, if there was no original Magician, RO-Magician would have less interesting personality for me.

As I said once, I don't like idea of Rayman being only one of the kind. It sounds kinda sad. Besides, I think RO has a lot of plot-glitches it total, especially because of PSVita cutscene... If Rayman is one of a kind, then why there is other rayperson? And about hair... in the trailer, Rayman was created as he is. But cutscene says that he was bald originally... what the heck? What's the point of this strange cutscene then?

As for me, RO is still one of my favorite games, but it is due to athmosphere, amazing music and stunning, colourful and beautiful graphics. Plot (if more correctly, almostly not even shown plot) and changes are too boring and strange if compare with previous games.

I don't consider that mural to be canon.
As for the whole "Rayman being the only one of his kind," that plot point was introduced in Rayman 2, where the inhabitants of the Glade were mystified by Rayman's signature lack of limbs, and only came to trust Rayman from his triumph over Mr. Dark.
I can't say I 100% agree with the changes brought by RO, but I always preferred Rayman being one-of-a-kind, it made him seem more unique, which suits the "chosen hero" idea that Rayman has.

Also, I couldn't help but notice that you highlight our usernames, pardon my curiosity, but is there are any particular reason, or is it a mere habit?

Master4lyf1 wrote:Also, I couldn't help but notice that you highlight our usernames, pardon my curiosity, but is there are any particular reason, or is it a mere habit?

It's probably because she was replying directly to us. Some do quotes, some @s, some bold out the names.

Master4lyf1 wrote:As for the whole "Rayman being the only one of his kind," that plot point was introduced in Rayman 2, where the inhabitants of the Glade were mystified by Rayman's signature lack of limbs, and only came to trust Rayman from his triumph over Mr. Dark.

Maybe he washed up on shore of a place where none of his people ever ventured (this does seem to be the general gist of the story). 'His' people may be somewhere else, but it's not the Glade of Dreams, that's for sure. As for Mr Dark, so notorious a villain may get his name around. Maybe he troubled the Glade before he came to the Valley.

Master4lyf1 wrote:Also, I couldn't help but notice that you highlight our usernames, pardon my curiosity, but is there are any particular reason, or is it a mere habit?

Shrooblord has already answered. It's like a habit for me: on most forums where I was, there was a function for "fast reply" for somebody by clicking their usernames and after click, bolded username with comma appears at the end of page in typing form. So, sometimes I use that on other forums too.

Shrooblord wrote: Maybe he washed up on shore of a place where none of his people ever ventured (this does seem to be the general gist of the story). 'His' people may be somewhere else, but it's not the Glade of Dreams, that's for sure.

This sounds intriguing and interesting...
Just though: Glade of Dreams is just "glade", so it is possible that there are some other places and areas...

The murals are not canon... they're just theories made up for entertainment. If they were real, then most of the canon would be destroyed, and Rayman Origins made some good effort in retaining some small pieces of canon (the island in Origins appear to be the archipielago in Rayman 2, the name Polokus is mentioned, Mr Dark did exist, the world is named "The Glade of Dreams", the whole story of Ales Mansay makes full sense in the chronology of Rayman 1, and ignoring the part with the lums, most of the Knowledge of the World is followed). Also, where's Rayman's wife? looks like she never really existed... According to Globox' bio, Teensies and Red Wizards love to make weird theories, including how globox turned blue. This mural might be one of these cases.

Shrooblord wrote:Maybe he washed up on shore of a place where none of his people ever ventured (this does seem to be the general gist of the story). 'His' people may be somewhere else, but it's not the Glade of Dreams, that's for sure. As for Mr Dark, so notorious a villain may get his name around. Maybe he troubled the Glade before he came to the Valley.

I think that was how most explained away that inconsistency until RO made it certain that Rayman was the only limbless (well, him, Tarayzan and DarkRay).

Rendell wrote:

Shrooblord wrote: Maybe he washed up on shore of a place where none of his people ever ventured (this does seem to be the general gist of the story). 'His' people may be somewhere else, but it's not the Glade of Dreams, that's for sure.

This sounds intriguing and interesting...
Just though: Glade of Dreams is just "glade", so it is possible that there are some other places and areas...

And I agree completely, the map of Rayman 2 just doesn't feel like a landmass which would cover the whole planet. Like many have said before, it's a shame we don't have the map from Rayman 3, it could've shown us a lot more than what we have now.

Master4lyf1 wrote:Like many have said before, it's a shame we don't have the map from Rayman 3, it could've shown us a lot more than what we have now.

Isn't Plum diving into the Archives to try and find it for us? It'd be amazing if he found it.

I also tend to think that the murals are simply funny stories. Like many a passed down folklore tale, these pictures tend to have, er, diverted ever so slightly from the original path the story once took.

Also, would you really dismiss three other games' worth of story because of one simple picture? That'd be a bit of a slip-up on everyone's part.

Rendell wrote:Just though: Glade of Dreams is just "glade", so it is possible that there are some other places and areas...

Oh, I am fully convinced that this is the case. I'm even basing more than three quarters of my game on the possibility that there's more than just the Glade of Dreams - but now I'm sidetracking from the original, canon trail of thought we had going here.

When I said I'd find it, it was sort of a half-joke, then I realised that it was something many had searched for before. I had a look, but I can't seem to find anything Flash-related on the archive of any Rayman 3 site.

Rendell wrote:If Rayman is one of a kind, then why there is other rayperson? And about hair... in the trailer, Rayman was created as he is. But cutscene says that he was bald originally... what the heck? What's the point of this strange cutscene then?

Retcon....and it's not the first one in this series.
Like the origins of Rayman stated in the manual is slightly different from the trailer (Rayman is not created with the moonbeams but with sacks of lums).

I very much dislike this particular retcon though. It was way more interesting in the Rayman 2 manual when it said his origins were unknown to the Glade and he was found on the beach by a fisherman.

Adsolution wrote:I very much dislike this particular retcon though. It was way more interesting in the Rayman 2 manual when it said his origins were unknown to the Glade and he was found on the beach by a fisherman.

Ah but maybe at that time, his origins were unknown to the inhabitants of the Glade. Since then, Betilla (from the Valley!) has obviously joined the crew, and perhaps she has enlightened the folks about how this here hero came to be.

A bit of a work-around assumption, maybe, but it works for me.

Shrooblord wrote:

Adsolution wrote:I very much dislike this particular retcon though. It was way more interesting in the Rayman 2 manual when it said his origins were unknown to the Glade and he was found on the beach by a fisherman.

Ah but maybe at that time, his origins were unknown to the inhabitants of the Glade. Since then, Betilla (from the Valley!) has obviously joined the crew, and perhaps she has enlightened the folks about how this here hero came to be.

A bit of a work-around assumption, maybe, but it works for me.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

I like the idea that Rayman was meant to be a secret hero, and perhaps in defeating Jano for the first time, an accident occurred which lead to his existence being discovered.

There are still inconsistencies or retcons.
Like Rayman having beaten Jano shortly after his birth (RO manual) despite they don't seem to know each other in Rayman2, Betilla introduces herself to Rayman in the first game even if she created him, ...

I remember having a similar discussion about this a while back.
We could always assume the effects of the confrontation between Rayman and Jano were such that it caused those involved to forget the events which occurred. The fact remains however, that Rayman's original purpose was to defeat Jano and the forces of the first bad dream.

Maybe the catastrophic world-shaking events affect his memory as well as his powers.

sergiomonty wrote:

Shrooblord wrote:

Adsolution wrote:I very much dislike this particular retcon though. It was way more interesting in the Rayman 2 manual when it said his origins were unknown to the Glade and he was found on the beach by a fisherman.

Ah but maybe at that time, his origins were unknown to the inhabitants of the Glade. Since then, Betilla (from the Valley!) has obviously joined the crew, and perhaps she has enlightened the folks about how this here hero came to be.

A bit of a work-around assumption, maybe, but it works for me.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

It may make sense (albeit not a whole lot), but it's the most bullshit excuse for storytelling I've ever heard if this was the actual development thought process. Besides, I'm fairly sure it's been established that the Valley is part of the Glade.

I'm pretty sure the Valley is an island... like the levels in Origins, they must be part of the archipielago. While the rest of the Glade is forestal and magical, the archipielago is all "what the fuck is going on here?!"