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Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:06 pm
by Rsandee
Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:05 pm Whatever you say, if you put the gravy in the middle of a pudding, it becomes the stuff of gods.
Custard with gravy? Really?

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:07 pm
by Greengoop
Rsandee wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:06 pm Custard with gravy? Really?
Ahhh, only a Brit would understand m’boy.

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:08 pm
by Rsandee
Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:07 pm
Rsandee wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:06 pm Custard with gravy? Really?
Ahhh, only a Brit would understand m’boy.
Good show ol' chap. Well I'd love to try shepherd's pie or other dishes, there's just not really a good supply of English food over here.

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:09 pm
by Steo
PluMGMK wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:06 pm Oh sorry, I guess Swedish does have masc/fem pronouns, just no masc/fem grammatical gender (which English doesn't either) :oops2:
Yeah pretty much like this. I know French, German, and Spanish have those genders though, and to me it would be so confusing to get used to. One other thing Swedish has, and I'm not sure about other languages, is that you actually refer to people from family based on the side they are from.

For example, we say grandmother and grandfather, they have

farfar = father's father
farmor = father's mother
mormor = mother's mother
morfar = mother's father

They do the same with uncles and aunts etc.

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:09 pm
by DaveRattlehead
Pirez wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:05 pm Seems like small fry to me but that's maybe because french is a language with 1% rules and 99% exceptions to the rules.
Well your numbers are definitely a nightmare :lol:
Rsandee wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:04 pm
Greengoop wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:03 pm Nope, Yorkshire roast absolutely DOMINATES Spanish omelette any day.
Not if it contains chorizo and garlic. Which is a variation I loved to make.
Yay, that's a good one!

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:09 pm
by Greengoop
Rsandee wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:08 pm Good show ol' chap. Well I'd love to try shepherd's pie or other dishes, there's just not really a good supply of English food over here.
Omg yes shepherd’s pie! Though I have cottage pie more frequently.

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:10 pm
by PluMGMK
DaveRattlehead wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:09 pm Well your numbers are definitely a nightmare :lol:
Irish numbers are the worst. I don't think I'll ever get my head around them properly :lol:

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:11 pm
by Rsandee
Steo wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:09 pm
PluMGMK wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:06 pm Oh sorry, I guess Swedish does have masc/fem pronouns, just no masc/fem grammatical gender (which English doesn't either) :oops2:
Yeah pretty much like this. I know French, German, and Spanish have those genders though, and to me it would be so confusing to get used to. One other thing Swedish has, and I'm not sure about other languages, is that you actually refer to people from family based on the side they are from.

For example, we say grandmother and grandfather, they have

farfar = father's father
farmor = father's mother
mormor = mother's mother
morfar = mother's father

They do the same with uncles and aunts etc.
True! It also reminds me of Turkish!

Anne: Mother
Anneanne: Grandmother from mom's side
Baba: Father
Babaanne: Grandmother from dad's side

This is where it changes though, as grandfather is "büyükbaba" or "dede".

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:11 pm
by DaveRattlehead
How are they?

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:14 pm
by Steo
Rsandee wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:11 pm True! It also reminds me of Turkish!

Anne: Mother
Anneanne: Grandmother from mom's side
Baba: Father
Babaanne: Grandmother from dad's side

This is where it changes though, as grandfather is "büyükbaba" or "dede".
Interesting, maybe it's just common for certain languages then. The ones who do use it think English is confusing, because they're like "which grandfather, which grandmother, which uncle, etc. It seems weird to them because it's vague in comparison. Swedish though is a very specific language compared to English, everything seems so specific. Even flygplats, that's airport, it literally means "flying place".

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:16 pm
by PluMGMK
It's strange that English has this problem, given that "grand" was borrowed from French. I'd have to check, but it's possible that the Germanic terms in Old English would still have had the same specificity that survives into Modern Swedish…

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:16 pm
by Rsandee
Yeah "flygplats" right? In Dutch that sounds like "vliegplaats', but we say "vliegveld", which means "fly field".
In German it's "Flughafen", which sounds like "fly harbor" in Dutch, which sounds strange.
Even more stranger: a "meer" is a lake in Dutch, while "zee" means sea.
In German: "Meer" means sea while "See" means a lake.

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 7:29 pm
by PluMGMK
That's funny about the swapping of meanings between Meer and See :oops2: I'm guessing Meer is borrowed from French and See is native…

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:40 pm
by Curionone
Rsandee wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 5:11 pm True! It also reminds me of Turkish!

Anne: Mother
Anneanne: Grandmother from mom's side
Baba: Father
Babaanne: Grandmother from dad's side

This is where it changes though, as grandfather is "büyükbaba" or "dede".
dede: grandfather from mom's side in most cases. Just grandfather actually.
büyükbaba: grandfather from dad's side, but rarely used.

There is also
nene: grandmother from mom's side

And, let's not forget ebe
ebe: grandmother and also another meaning too. I am leaving for you Rsandee.

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:40 pm
by Rsandee
Thanks for the explanation :)

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:48 pm
by PluMGMK
Returning to what I alluded to earlier: whenever I use an "Eject" button, I usually whisper to myself "eīciō eīcere eiēcī eiectum" and it feels so satisfying :hap:

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:49 pm
by Rsandee
Did you just perform a spell on us?

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:49 pm
by PluMGMK
Nope, just recited the four principal parts of the verb :hap:

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:50 pm
by Rsandee
I can't do that

Re: Languages

Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2025 10:54 pm
by PluMGMK
For a while I could do it in Old Norse too, for the stong verbs. I only had that ability for a few weeks in mid-2022 though, then I lost it again from lack of practice :oops2: