Sonic the Hedgehog

[Bradandez]

I actually thoroughly enjoy the Sonic sections in Adventure 2 and had some fun with the Tails sections. It's the Knuckles sections that really, really suck.

[Rayfist]

Everyone likes the Sonic and Shadow stages in Adventure 2, the problem was that's only a mere 20% of the game. Tails did have some arguably decent levels but a lot of them quite honestly bored the hell out of me, especially Eggman. Knuckles only good level is Mad Space with the others being really annoying along with Rouge. It's not a good game if you can only enjoy a mere amount of it.

[Keane]

I don't get how they didn't make Generations ten year earlier, it'd probably be the most obvious transition to 3D for most developers, and I seriously don't get how they came up with the Sonic/Shadow stages and went "you know what, this isn't gonna pull the game through." It happened again with Unleashed, where obviously they felt like Sonic with just Sonic gameplay wasn't good enough.

[Bradandez]

How does Sonic run so fast? Is it the shoes that make Sonic fast? Is it drugs? How?

[Rayfist]

I've said it before, the reason why we see so many shitty 3D Sonic games is because SEGA constantly feels the need to reinvent the gameplay. They clearly got it down correctly with Generations, now where do they take it? I'd say continue with the Generations formula for a bit, tweak it up a bit, add some new things. However this isn't the case, we got Sonic Lost World which reinvented the gameplay entirely, quickly losing the trust of Sonic fans... and Boom, well... the less said about that, the better. I believe SEGA said something about a fear of Unleashed being too short if they removed all the Werehog levels. SEGA always seems to be in some type of panic attack that they need to release these now, and instead of delivering us with fast paced gameplay for majority of the game they add in a dull, lifeless, "side" section that many Sonic games have encountered. You know exactly what I mean, you enjoy one aspect of the gameplay to death only to be introduced to a gameplay style that doesn't settle well with you. Well guess what? You better enjoy it for the rest of the game. That's why I think both Adventure games and Unleashed are poor.

I honestly can't recommend anything but the classics and Generations to anyone. My liking to Adventure is only nostalgic, but let's be real people, it's not a good game.

[Keane]

Don't forget Secret Rings, the first follow up to the SA series. In that you don't even control Sonic's speed, you just...manage the jumping and attacking while the game plays itself. It's like the semi-interactive multiplayer from Mario Galaxy stretched out into a game.

Anyway, I'm not sure how Lost World and Boom even happened. Both feel like they actually did have potential to be really good games, especially Boom which I was anticipating to potentially be a really fresh and innovative platformer. I'd honestly be willing to give them a second try if they sat down and actually made an inspired, well designed sequel, but I think Sega might be forced to trash the whole thing now.

[NyaNyaLily]

Don't forget Secret Rings, the first follow up to the SA series. In that you don't even control Sonic's speed, you just...manage the jumping and attacking while the game plays itself. It's like the semi-interactive multiplayer from Mario Galaxy stretched out into a game.

Not to mention that you can't use the D-pad to control sonic, you control him in mario kart style.
Maybe I should try playing it with a Mario kart steering wheel . xD (but I don't have the game, that's a good thing right?)

[Rayfist]

I did not like Secret Rings, nor did I like Black Knight. What's funny is I think the arabian environment of Secret Rings was truly awesome, it's too bad the gameplay was fucking mediocre as fuck. Why are there so many 3D Sonic games come SO close to being good? Heroes could have been fucking INCREDIBLE if it weren't for it's repetitive gameplay, the levels themselves are some of the BEST I've ever seen in a 3D Sonic.

It's no wonder Modern seaside hill on Sonic Generations was one of the best looking levels visually and in terms of exploration.

[Master]

This might be of interest to those curious about why Boom was a colossal screw-up:

[Rayfist]

Speaking of Boom... a new Sonic Boom game was announced. Luckily it remains handheld, but I don't get why they're trying so hard with this whole 'Boom' thing. The concept clearly failed, and sales were some of the worst they've ever seen for Sonic.

[OCG]

This game actually might end up being a decent platformer but I also have issue with the whole 'Boom' thing. Its like they are asking for bad sales. If this was instead being made as a standard Sonic game using models from Sonic Team and not having 'Boom' brand, it would be received way better. Nintendo already disabled likes and dislikes because probably majority was disliking it which shows how much Boom is hated.

[Rayfist]

It looks the same as the Sonic Boom on 3DS. While not bad as the Wii U version, it was horribly mediocre and lifeless honestly.

I do honestly hope we get a successor to Generations. SEGA knows what it takes to be received well by fans they just don't take those risks sadly.

If this was instead being made as a standard Sonic game using models from Sonic Team and not having 'Boom' brand, it would be received way better.

Christ almighty you sound like Chris-chan. Do you really think if they replaced the Wii U or 3DS version of Sonic Boom with the normal models they would be better received? I doubt it.

[OCG]

Of course not since the game sucked and had many issues. I am talking about this new one.
The gameplay from trailer looks alright to me but many people don't want another Boom game. So if this game ends up having good gameplay and fails in sales, it would clearly be because gamers hate Boom brand and I really think that if it was regular Sonic game that far less people would be negative about this .

Admit it. If Sega announced game titled "Sonic The Hedgehog 2", having same logo style as Sonic 06 and have Elise return even if gameplay was really good and nothing like Sonic 06, many people would bash the game.

[Rayfist]

"Gameplay looks alright"
It looks no different than the previous 3DS one, and is an effortless cash grab. I played the demo for Boom on 3DS and it was honestly very boring.

Even without the shitty Boom Models it's mediocre as fuck.

Admit it. If Sega announced game titled "Sonic The Hedgehog 2", having same logo style as Sonic 06 and have Elise return even if gameplay was really good and nothing like Sonic 06, many people would bash the game.

That's never happening anyways, and even so I doubt people would be that riled up over one character unless you're Chris Chan and the only thing you care about is the color of Sonic's arms.

[Bradandez]

This surprised me actually. Huh, maybe they're making another sequel as a quick cash grab for the show?

[Rayfist]

Uh... what the fuck
http://www.allgamesbeta.com/2015/06/son ... birds.html

[NyaNyaLily]

I refuse!

[Rayfist]

Just want to ask this since I'm not sure if I'm just crazy here or not.

Why is it such a "trendy" thing to hate Sonic? No, no, let me elaborate. I'm not talking about 06, Boom, Adventure, or even Colors for that matter. I'm talking about the classic Sonic games.

I've noticed it amongst popular youtubers and the common crowd of gamers, and it's really confused me. While as 2D platformers they are a tad flawed, there is a reason why the games sell the way they did. You can cry "marketing" all you want, but in the end Sonic still introduced to us gameplay that was a lot of fun. I get Sonic has had a LOT of bad 3D games, but why all of a sudden have people turned towards the 2D Series? The whole argument against momentum being broken is kind of false when they give you an ability that lets you gain all that momentum in less than half a second.

It really saddens me that people won't look at the impressive things Sonic has done for the time. I really hope SEGA can get him out of the shithole reputation the guy is in right now.

[Keane]

lol i'm gonna go ahead and assume that's coming from game grump's playing SA

but it is kinda shitty yeah, i actually thought that was a good argument but looking back on it, no, they're great, complex platformers. Sonic 2 is pretty much on the same level as SMB3 for me.

On the topic of 3D sonic though...Generations is really the only game I think is genuinely good.

[Rayfist]

This was kind of lifting off way before GG started playing SA, but it's undoubtedly reached popular heights because of it.