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Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:34 pm
by Acarr
> Was promising a friend a free haircut a good idea?

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:34 pm
by Tobbe
spiraldoor wrote: And all of my memories and personality will be lost, I'll lose my ability to think, and I'll never do or experience anything ever again, for the rest of eternity. :|
So? You won't mind, because you won't have the ability to. I have already experienced oblivion for about 14 billion years, and I didn't mind.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:34 pm
by spiraldoor
StaceyW wrote:So will each and every one of us. Tough luck.
Unless of course they come up with some sort of solution.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:49 pm
by Acarr
spiraldoor wrote:
StaceyW wrote:So will each and every one of us. Tough luck.
Unless of course they come up with some sort of solution.
Like live forever? Come up with that one and you'd be the richest person in the wrold.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:56 pm
by neo
Lately I was deleting some folders and files of old stuff off of my flash drive, and saw a project I was doing for a friend (graphics stuff for a forum) and I really want to revisit that.
That, also reminded me that she might want to move on to something else, and so I thought "what could I make which would be really great and I wouldn't want to move on from?"

Then, I thought of Super Mario! I'm a big Super Mario freak, and I thought I would like to make my own forum. But not invisionfree or anything, I would want to make it big and at least great in every graphical way.

Also, I want to become better at Super Smash Brothers Melee, and be great at it. I want to own people at tournaments, and I'm going to see how that goes once I go to SPOC in my area. (its a tournament)

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:30 pm
by spiraldoor
Tobbe wrote:
spiraldoor wrote: And all of my memories and personality will be lost, I'll lose my ability to think, and I'll never do or experience anything ever again, for the rest of eternity. :|
So? You won't mind, because you won't have the ability to. I have already experienced oblivion for about 14 billion years, and I didn't mind.
But THAT state of oblivion eventually ended. This one won't.
Acarr wrote:
spiraldoor wrote:
StaceyW wrote:So will each and every one of us. Tough luck.
Unless of course they come up with some sort of solution.
Like live forever? Come up with that one and you'd be the richest person in the wrold.
Who cares?

Existence > Wealth

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:47 pm
by Xenon
Even if something was found there's no way it would be used. What would the world be like if the population kept rising? Answer: eventually it would lose its inhabitants because the human race would die out completely.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:06 pm
by Phoenixan
Tobbe wrote:
Phoenixan wrote: > I don't care what anyone says about the United States verses whatever other country's; no government in the world is perfect.
Of course not, but in Canada you get free health care. :mrgreen:
That is unless you opt out for a different insurance company, like my gf does. :\

I'm going to have to do the same, because if you aren't born in Canada, you actually can't apply for health care ever in your life (thanks to a new law they wrote in)... even though you still have to pay the taxes regardless once you get a job.

Personally, as far as the US goes.. yeah, health care should be free for you if you're paying the taxes for it, but if you opt out for something else for whatever reason, you shouldn't have to pay for it then. Under my dad's insurance, I had to pay about $50 for my oral surgery (which was $2000 without insurance). Good deal compared to paying a large load every month if you ask me. My dad doesn't pay that much for it.

But anyway...

At least there are groups out there that help out cancer patients in the states who aren't insured.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:13 pm
by Cairnie
Fuck knows how much I would have had to pay for the MRI scan I had when they were finding out about my hearing loss; and the ultrasound for why I went without a period for half a year.

I still had to pay £44 for some dental treatment.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:41 pm
by PluMGMK
spiraldoor wrote:
Tobbe wrote:
spiraldoor wrote: And all of my memories and personality will be lost, I'll lose my ability to think, and I'll never do or experience anything ever again, for the rest of eternity. :|
So? You won't mind, because you won't have the ability to. I have already experienced oblivion for about 14 billion years, and I didn't mind.
But THAT state of oblivion eventually ended. This one won't.
That's why some people believe in reincarnation. Others believe in other forms of afterlife. I sometimes become a Whatever-you-believe-in-ist, but that's kinda crazy, huh? :hehe:

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:36 pm
by Tobbe
spiraldoor wrote:
StaceyW wrote:So will each and every one of us. Tough luck.
Unless of course they come up with some sort of solution.
It doesn't matter if they find a way to stop the body's natural process of breaking down. Smart people have calculated that if everyone could live forever in the body of a 20 year old, the average age where you would die in some sort of accident or from a fatal illness would be about 600.

I have problems with understanding why you fear being dead. I can understand that you fear the dying bit, but after you're dead you won't have the ability to care anymore. I also think it's absurd that anyone would want to live forever. You would succumb to unbearable boredome within the first couple of thousand years, and you'd end up spending every waking moment wishing you were dead.Our lives have meanings only because our time is finite. An endless existance would be unbearable and meaningless.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:38 pm
by Cairnie
That's what I often think when I think to myself, I don't want to die, but it's going to happen ultimately I just know it.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 10:44 pm
by Tobbe
Spiraldoor needs to accept his mortality of he will go (more) insane. :|

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:59 am
by Phoenixan
DEATH GIVES YOU PURPOSE!
~ The Necris - Unreal Tournament 3

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:49 pm
by spiraldoor
Xenon wrote:Even if something was found there's no way it would be used. What would the world be like if the population kept rising?
It would be a world where reproduction was prohibited.
Xenon wrote:Answer: eventually it would lose its inhabitants because the human race would die out completely.
No.
Tobbe wrote:It doesn't matter if they find a way to stop the body's natural process of breaking down. Smart people have calculated that if everyone could live forever in the body of a 20 year old, the average age where you would die in some sort of accident or from a fatal illness would be about 600.
What if all diseases were eradicated? Then the only way to die would be through accidents. I am a careful person: I've never broken a bone; I've never had a disease worse than the flu; I live in a country which is unaffected by earthquakes, tornadoes, volvanoes and tsunamis; I prefer staying at home to going out; I stay away from people who are possibly dangerous; I am somewhat over-obsessed with hygiene...I can't really think of any situation occurring in my day-to-day life which could result in my death. If aging and disease were overcome, this is even more true.

~Then again, I'd inevitably get killed somewhere between now and eternity; that's why the workings of consciousness interest me so. If only there was a way to transfer it to a more durable vessel...
Tobbe wrote:I have problems with understanding why you fear being dead. I can understand that you fear the dying bit, but after you're dead you won't have the ability to care anymore. I also think it's absurd that anyone would want to live forever. You would succumb to unbearable boredome within the first couple of thousand years, and you'd end up spending every waking moment wishing you were dead.Our lives have meanings only because our time is finite. An endless existance would be unbearable and meaningless.
To you, perhaps.
Tobbe wrote:Spiraldoor needs to accept his mortality of he will go (more) insane. :|
I'll never accept it. :wink:

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:52 pm
by Tobbe
spiraldoor wrote:
Tobbe wrote:I have problems with understanding why you fear being dead. I can understand that you fear the dying bit, but after you're dead you won't have the ability to care anymore. I also think it's absurd that anyone would want to live forever. You would succumb to unbearable boredome within the first couple of thousand years, and you'd end up spending every waking moment wishing you were dead.Our lives have meanings only because our time is finite. An endless existance would be unbearable and meaningless.
To you, perhaps.
And you.
spiraldoor wrote: I'll never accept it. :wink:
Enjoy insanity, then, Lord Voldemort. :P

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:56 pm
by Acarr
I think the only thing I worry about death is being forgotten forever. Or if I was remembered, I would just be "an average person of the 21st century" to historians.

[quote-"spiraldoor"] I am a careful person: I've never broken a bone; I've never had a disease worse than the flu; I live in a country which is unaffected by earthquakes, tornadoes, volvanoes and tsunamis; I prefer staying at home to going out; I stay away from people who are possibly dangerous; I am somewhat over-obsessed with hygiene...[/quote]

Are you like my long lost-twin or something? :?

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:18 pm
by spiraldoor
Tobbe wrote:
spiraldoor wrote:
Tobbe wrote:I have problems with understanding why you fear being dead. I can understand that you fear the dying bit, but after you're dead you won't have the ability to care anymore. I also think it's absurd that anyone would want to live forever. You would succumb to unbearable boredome within the first couple of thousand years, and you'd end up spending every waking moment wishing you were dead.Our lives have meanings only because our time is finite. An endless existance would be unbearable and meaningless.
To you, perhaps.
And you.
No, I don't agree with anything you said there. I'm not the kind to get bored easily, but if I did, I wouldn't "spend every waking moment wishing I was dead". Instead, I'd go play a PlayStation game for a few hours. Or read a book. Or go to the cinema, or watch a DVD. Or browse the internet (which currently has enough stuff on it to keep me interested for thousands of years, setting aside the fact that it grows daily). Who knows, maybe I'd go somewhere with some friends. All good things. Such an existence seems far from "unbearable and meaningless" to me...I'd be more likely to describe it as 'ideal'.
Tobbe wrote:
spiraldoor wrote: I'll never accept it. :wink:
Enjoy insanity, then, Lord Voldemort. :P
Voldemort is my favourite character; I find him much more relateable that the protagonists. And I don't think that insanity would be so bad (assuming that I would even go insane, which I don't think I would).
Acarr wrote:Are you like my long lost-twin or something? :?
I dunno, I'm several months older than you iirc. Unless we were seperated at birth and one of us was given false information on our birthday, it seems improbable.

~I've seen a photograph of my father when he was a child, and he looked fairly similar to the way I did at that age. So if we are twins, he's likely the father.

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:22 pm
by Tobbe
spiraldoor wrote:
Tobbe wrote:
spiraldoor wrote:
Tobbe wrote:I have problems with understanding why you fear being dead. I can understand that you fear the dying bit, but after you're dead you won't have the ability to care anymore. I also think it's absurd that anyone would want to live forever. You would succumb to unbearable boredome within the first couple of thousand years, and you'd end up spending every waking moment wishing you were dead.Our lives have meanings only because our time is finite. An endless existance would be unbearable and meaningless.
To you, perhaps.
And you.
No, I don't agree with anything you said there. I'm not the kind to get bored easily, but if I did, I wouldn't "spend every waking moment wishing I was dead". Instead, I'd go play a PlayStation game for a few hours. Or read a book. Or go to the cinema, or watch a DVD. Or browse the internet (which currently has enough stuff on it to keep me interested for thousands of years, setting aside the fact that it grows daily). Who knows, maybe I'd go somewhere with some friends. All good things. Such an existence seems far from "unbearable and meaningless" to me...I'd be more likely to describe it as 'ideal'.

'Thousans of years' is still an infinitely small fraction of infinity. Admit it, living for an infinite amount of time would be terrible. Living for a very, very long time is something completely different all together (and it would be awesome).

Re: Recent thoughts/discoveries

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 2:24 pm
by Acarr
But one thing's for sure- if you did live for a long time, you'd be fuck ugly.