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RayFan9876 wrote:It was merely a test of fact.

Your facts were very carefully selected. Nothing like ‘Which version has the best frame-rate?’ or ‘Which version arbitrarily muddles the original levels?’

spiraldoor wrote:

RayFan9876 wrote:It was merely a test of fact.

Your facts were very carefully selected. Nothing like ‘Which version has the best frame-rate?’ or ‘Which version arbitrarily muddles the original levels?’

YOUR opinions are the biased ones Spiral. I know you have a deeply intimate relationship with the Dreamcast version, but I've come out of my Revolution shell (though I was hardly in one to begin with), and Revolution still remains my favourite. In my opinion, they did not muddle the levels, they just changed it around a bit. I myself enjoyed the feeling of variety. Are you upset because I had possibly one or two more answers with Revolution in it than the others? Note that I also had exclusive Dreamcast answers.

At least for me your quiz was very nice. I also think that both RR and R2 (DC) versions are very good.

Haruka wrote:At least for me your quiz was very nice. I also think that both RR and R2 (DC) versions are very good.

I agree to the full extend of the (law?). Dreamcast is easily my second favourite version. It truly should have been the original Rayman 2.

Haruka wrote:Score: 17 out of 18 points
Percentage: 94%

What I had wrong:

"Which version of Rayman 2 noticeably suffered the most from graphical limitations?"

I replied DS because it even worse than the original N64 version, and the DS was suppoused to support a better graphism than the Nintendo 64 consoles.

The DS actually isn't capable of putting out better graphics than the N64. The DS's graphics are basically the same as PS1 or Saturn graphics (maybe slightly better).

Anyway, I got a 7/18 on this test, because I don't know much about all the ports of this game. The only versions I own are the DC and 3DS versions. However, I rented the PS1 version when I was little, and played the DS version briefly.

The Dreamcast version hasn't got any failures for me. When I tried the game in a real one, I was amazed how superior it was from the PC version.

Now the PS2 version, I also really like it. It not only takes the double of the time to complete, as players can explore more the levels, there are interesting additions/changes, more 3D models, more musics, etc. I think it is even more complete than the classical version.

Both the DC and PS2 versions are my favourites.

RayFan9876 wrote:YOUR opinions are the biased ones Spiral.

Are you saying that my opinions are biased and yours are unbiased?

RayFan9876 wrote:I know you have a deeply intimate relationship with the Dreamcast version, but I've come out of my Revolution shell (though I was hardly in one to begin with), and Revolution still remains my favourite. In my opinion, they did not muddle the levels, they just changed it around a bit. I myself enjoyed the feeling of variety. Are you upset because I had possibly one or two more answers with Revolution in it than the others? Note that I also had exclusive Dreamcast answers.

Calm down, I was simply trying to point out that most of your positive questions focused on the better aspects of Revolution, while all of your negative questions focused on the flaws of the other versions. Your test is uneven.

Let’s go through them one by one so we can observe the general trend. I have omitted the neutral questions.

Which two versions of Rayman 2 are the most technologically advanced (performance excluded)?

Pro-Revolution and pro-Dreamcast.

Which version of Rayman 2 was considered to be the most overrun by glitches in graphics, gameplay and audio?

Anti-DS.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have the ability to speak English?

Pro-Revolution and pro-PS1.

Which version of Rayman 2 noticeably suffered the most from graphical limitations?

Anti-PS1.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman lack the ability to climb up parallel walls (i.e. the end of the Woods of Light)?

Anti-PS1.

Which version(s) of Rayman 2 showcased a massive flock of butterflies rising up at the last segment of the Woods of Light?

Pro-Revolution, pro-Dreamcast, pro-3DS and pro-iOS.

Which version(s) of Rayman 2 required lower quality MIDI replacements of the soundtrack?

Anti-N64 and anti-DS.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have physical bumps extruding from his shoes as opposed fake textured bumps?

Pro-Revolution.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have closed, entirely textured fingers instead of individual 3D fingers?

Anti-PS1, anti-N64 and anti-DS.

Which version of Rayman 2 featured a unique area called "Globox Village?"

Pro-Dreamcast.

Grand total:
4 pro-Revolution questions
3 pro-Dreamcast questions
1 pro-3DS question
1 pro-iOS question
2 anti-PS1 questions
2 anti-N64 questions
3 anti-DS questions

As you can see, the aspects of the differing versions upon which your questions focus align nicely with your own views. Many of your neutral questions are also Revolution-centric, but you’ll have to count those for yourself; I need to go and re-think my life.

I got 11 out of 18! I haven't played the DS, Ipod or the dreamcast versions and that explains it

TheKopex wrote:I got 11 out of 18! I haven't played the DS, Ipod or the dreamcast versions and that explains it

lol i got the exact same score

spiraldoor wrote:

RayFan9876 wrote:I know you have a deeply intimate relationship with the Dreamcast version, but I've come out of my Revolution shell (though I was hardly in one to begin with), and Revolution still remains my favourite. In my opinion, they did not muddle the levels, they just changed it around a bit. I myself enjoyed the feeling of variety. Are you upset because I had possibly one or two more answers with Revolution in it than the others? Note that I also had exclusive Dreamcast answers.

Calm down, I was simply trying to point out that most of your positive questions focused on the better aspects of Revolution, while all of your negative questions focused on the flaws of the other versions. Your test is uneven.

Well obviously. Take the Dreamcast version. It is literally in every way better than the DS, N64 or PC version. There is nothing that those latter said versions have that the Dreamcast one doesn't. Of course the test is uneven as well, it's a technical test, so "being even" doesn't matter.

Let’s go through them one by one so we can observe the general trend. I have omitted the neutral questions.

Which two versions of Rayman 2 are the most technologically advanced (performance excluded)?

Pro-Revolution and pro-Dreamcast.[/quote]
It's entirely true, no arguments can unjustify this.

Which version of Rayman 2 was considered to be the most overrun by glitches in graphics, gameplay and audio?

Anti-DS.

It's entirely true, no arguments can justify that it isn't.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have the ability to speak English?

Pro-Revolution and pro-PS1.

This is a know your versions test, I don't have a preference over English or Raymanian.

Which version of Rayman 2 noticeably suffered the most from graphical limitations?

Anti-PS1.[/quote]
It's entirely true, no arguments can be created to go against this fact.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman lack the ability to climb up parallel walls (i.e. the end of the Woods of Light)?

Anti-PS1.[/quote]
I quote my above

Which version(s) of Rayman 2 showcased a massive flock of butterflies rising up at the last segment of the Woods of Light?

Pro-Revolution, pro-Dreamcast, pro-3DS and pro-iOS.[/quote]
It's a feature. Pro whatever you want. Maybe some people didn't like it.

Which version(s) of Rayman 2 required lower quality MIDI replacements of the soundtrack?

Anti-N64 and anti-DS.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have physical bumps extruding from his shoes as opposed fake textured bumps?

Pro-Revolution.

In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have closed, entirely textured fingers instead of individual 3D fingers?

Anti-PS1, anti-N64 and anti-DS.

Which version of Rayman 2 featured a unique area called "Globox Village?"

Pro-Dreamcast.
And so on, you get the schpeil.

Grand total:
4 pro-Revolution questions
3 pro-Dreamcast questions
1 pro-3DS question
1 pro-iOS question
2 anti-PS1 questions
2 anti-N64 questions
3 anti-DS questions

As you can see, the aspects of the differing versions upon which your questions focus align nicely with your own views. Many of your neutral questions are also Revolution-centric, but you’ll have to count those for yourself; I need to go and re-think my life.

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Alright anyways, these are technical questions, they have no orbit on any particular systems, and it doesn't matter anyway. They are merely technical questions, it doesn't matter.

Sorry, some of the quotes are a little messed up, I'm in a hurry so I can't fix it at the moment.

spiraldoor wrote:A very long post was here - but I don't like quoting long posts, as it messes up the readability of my own posts.

Spiral, while I agree with you most of the time, I don't agree about this.

Questions like "In which version(s) of Rayman 2 did Rayman have the ability to speak English?" are merely stating facts and aren't biased in any way.
All that RayFan's doing is asking about the biggest version differences. The quiz isn't biased in any way as there are no questions like "What was the best version of Rayman 2?". If you think the quiz isn't neutral enough, then try making a quiz about Rayman 2 version differences yourself.

It is true that negative points like "lower quality"/"graphical limitations" and positive points like "unique area" and "individual 3D fingers" are described in the questions, but as those things are all completely true and it's not only about the positive points of one specific version, it's not right to call the quiz biased.
If the questions are leaning toward being pro-Revolution/DC and anti-DS, then think about it: what good can be said about the DS version in contrast to the other versions? And what bad can be said about the Revolution and Dreamcast versions in contrast to the others? Excluding the fact that they're missing the Hall of Doors - because that was a question in the quiz? Hmm, I wonder...

EDIT -> RayFan beat me to it.

RayFan9876 wrote:Well obviously. Take the Dreamcast version. It is literally in every way better than the DS, N64 or PC version. There is nothing that those latter said versions have that the Dreamcast one doesn't. Of course the test is uneven as well, it's a technical test, so "being even" doesn't matter.

I know it doesn’t matter – it’s just a silly test that a handful of members will play for fun. You’ll notice that I brought up the slant with a single non-judgemental comment; you’re the one who spun it into something larger with your derisive response.

RayFan9876 wrote:This is a know your versions test, I don't have a preference over English or Raymanian.

I think that an additional feature not found in the other versions, such as an entire game’s worth of specially-recorded voice acting, is a significant bonus.

RayFan9876 wrote:I quote my above

I consider the removal of a gameplay element from one version of the game to be a negative.

RayFan9876 wrote:It's a feature. Pro whatever you want. Maybe some people didn't like it.

I debated adding this one, but the positivity of your language was the tipping point: you speak of ‘showcasing’ a ‘massive’ flock of butterflies, making the feature sound much more impressive than it is. All the same, I consider graphical additions like this one to be a bonus.

Drolpiraat wrote:It is true that negative points like "lower quality"/"graphical limitations" and positive points like "unique area" and "individual 3D fingers" are described in the questions, but as those things are all completely true and it's not only about the positive points of one specific version, it's not right to call the quiz biased.

I never claimed that the quiz was incorrect or that it contained false information; I simply pointed out that it focused on the pros and cons of the diiffering versions in such a way that it made some look better or worse than they really are.

Drolpiraat wrote:If the questions are leaning toward being pro-Revolution/DC and anti-DS, then think about it: what good can be said about the DS version in contrast to the other versions? And what bad can be said about the Revolution and Dreamcast versions in contrast to the others? Excluding the fact that they're missing the Hall of Doors - because that was a question in the quiz? Hmm, I wonder...

I could easily come up with several questions which go against the trend of the quiz and would have balanced it out. ‘Which version has the lowest frame-rate?’ would have been a good one. ‘Which version rearranges levels contrary to the vision of the original developers?’ is similarly factual. I would also have liked to have seen some more pro-PS1 questions – that version doesn’t get enough love.

I didn't have more pro-PS1 questions because I don't actually know as much about it as I do the other versions. I can think of two more questions I could have put in relation to the PS1, which I may add if possible.

But. I disagree with the whole basis of this conversation. It's like asking someone to prove they've been someplace, so the askee shows the asker a photograph, and then the asker focusus on the fact that the askee's socks don't match in the photo, even though that has nothing to do with anything.

I won’t pretend to understand your sock-photgraphy analogy, but I am satisfied that we have settled our fundamental disagreement.

spiraldoor wrote:I won’t pretend to understand your sock-photgraphy analogy, but I am satisfied that we have settled our fundamental disagreement.

Keep in mind that I'm not doing it for the purpose of promoting the PS1 version, those points I remembered just happened to be about the PS1.

10/18. Not that bad I guess.

Hunchman801 wrote:10/18. Not that bad I guess.

Considering your lack of free time, I can agree.

Score:
4 out of 18 points
Percentage:
22%
Duration:
4 mins 38 secs
Date started:
Tue 4th Oct 2011 9:39am
Date finished:
Tue 4th Oct 2011 9:44am



I better go home and study Rayman!

Oh erm 11/18. That's bad for me considering how many times I've started a new Rayman 2 game.

When you play a game so many times, the little details can become irrelevant, since you know most of the main thing.