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spiraldoor wrote:

Paspie wrote:I'm not really ashamed of liking Rayman, I'm more ashamed that we have such a division in product line-ups when it comes to adults and children. IMO when its comes to entertainment and media, such as video games and TV shows, we shouldn't have this sort of division. Everything should be suitable and acceptable for everyone no matter your gender or how old you are. I know its leaning on utopian but frankly its the bottom line in my book. That way we could cut down on social awkwardness, even bullying and other similar things in life.

Schindler's List isn't suitable for children. Neither is Breaking Bad, or Watchmen, or Ulysses. Therefore they should not exist. Let's round up all copies of these works and destroy them so socially awkward kids can avoid bullying or something! Replace all art with the fucking Teletubbies.

Well Teletubbies shouldn't exist either, because adults can't enjoy it. Aren't you getting it? Why do we have a notion that different generations enjoy different styles of media? I've never quite got my head around that.

OCG, may I suggest adding Paspie's quote in your signature too, just so Spiral's doesn't look out of context?

Suggestion accepted.

I remember also having caught Tweenies on TV. It wasn't as bad as Teletubbies though.

Never heared of Tweenies to be honest.

I think sometimes it is possible to cater to everyone, shows like Doctor Who are a testament to that, however, I think being forced to cater to everyone can be a limit in some cases, stories seen in TV shows like Breaking Bad and the like wouldn't be able to achieve the level of critical acclaim they have if they had to deal with the limits of catering to all, sometimes, having more mature themes is necessary to be granted a compelling tale.

People must learn to deal with fact that not everything is for everyone.

Paspie wrote:Well Teletubbies shouldn't exist either, because adults can't enjoy it. Aren't you getting it? Why do we have a notion that different generations enjoy different styles of media? I've never quite got my head around that.

So you want literally all media to be focus-grouped so intensely that any aspect which might not appeal to everyone in the world is eliminated and all we're left with is bland, soulless pablum. Jesus Christ. I'd love to put you in a room with Stanley Kubrick and watch you explain to him that he's not allowed to make A Clockwork Orange because five-year-olds might not be into it.

Paspie wrote:That way we could cut down on social awkwardness, even bullying and other similar things in life.

Explain this bit please. It's way too specific and a complete non sequitur, so I can tell that you're referring to some specific events that occurred in your life.

Okay, I'll elaborate a bit more on this. What I'm really attempting to cut down on is windows for big corporate companies to cut corners when it comes to the quality of their products. I mean, its absolutely fine to group the franchises by the characteristics of a person, or just simply whatever anyone of any age might like. Even the separate gender stuff I can live with, because with most franchises it is not impossible for the opposite gender to relate to and even find an interest for it (MLP FiM is the classic example in this case). The only thing I dislike is that there is stuff for 'kiddies' and stuff for 'adults'. Because neither the opposites of each other can relate to media that wasn't intended for them, barriers encroach on other aspects of their lives. I mean, how can an 8-year old get into a conversation with their dad for instance, about a TV show if the dad can't really share their enjoyment of it.

Its not like this kind of thing has never been avoided: the UK version of Top Gear for instance has quite a large age demographic. So does Wipeout, and Rayman. But so much other [media] only make it into older demographics because they become popular with certain sexualities. I'm talking about Spongebob, Sesame Street, Raging Rabbids and Pokemon. I'm getting myself abit confused here, but the point is, no one should feel left out if they feel like consuming themselves in something that wasn't intended for them. It should be a model that all the developers of media should use.

Adsolution wrote:

OldClassicGamer wrote:I myself dislike MLP and do think it is girls show

Unless there are specific aspects of the show that designate it as a girls' show, I don't know why you feel that way aside from what has been designated as a general cultural norm. If people weren't exposed previously to the idea of gender roles, then I doubt there would be many more girls watching it than boys.

I don't quite see how considerations such as whether gender-specific interests are innate or acquired or any other gender theory-related stuff for that matter allow any questioning of the affirmation that some subjects are indeed preferred by and oriented at females.

Paspie wrote:IMO when its comes to entertainment and media, such as video games and TV shows, we shouldn't have this sort of division. Everything should be suitable and acceptable for everyone no matter your gender or how old you are. I know its leaning on utopian but frankly its the bottom line in my book.

Such a levelling downwards of culture sounds a lot more dystopian than utopian. There's no such thing as an adults-children dichotomy in cultural products, simply some of them that are not (or are not deemed) suitable for the younger ones. The other way round is not true, as nothing prevents a grown-up from watching a children's show, but a lot prefer to move on to richer content (though countless books, movies, etc. aimed at children are still perfectly worthy of interest from an adult).

spiraldoor wrote:

Paspie wrote:I'm not really ashamed of liking Rayman, I'm more ashamed that we have such a division in product line-ups when it comes to adults and children. IMO when its comes to entertainment and media, such as video games and TV shows, we shouldn't have this sort of division. Everything should be suitable and acceptable for everyone no matter your gender or how old you are. I know its leaning on utopian but frankly its the bottom line in my book. That way we could cut down on social awkwardness, even bullying and other similar things in life.

Schindler's List isn't suitable for children. Neither is Breaking Bad, or Watchmen, or Ulysses. Therefore they should not exist. Let's round up all copies of these works and destroy them so socially awkward kids can avoid bullying or something! Replace all art with the fucking Teletubbies.

So much win.

Paspie wrote:IMO when its comes to entertainment and media, such as video games and TV shows, we shouldn't have this sort of division. Everything should be suitable and acceptable for everyone no matter your gender or how old you are. I know its leaning on utopian but frankly its the bottom line in my book.

The reason we have such a variety in media is the reason why such a utopian can never exist; because it's virtually impossible to satisfy everyone in existence. Sure enough you have grown men taking a fondness of MLP but that isn't every single grown man, and on the opposite end there are even little girls (i.e. the target audience) who don't like MLP. And on the same principle what's suitable for one child may not be the case for another of the same age; one child could be fine with violence from a movie while another could be completely horrified with it.

In the end the only way we can have a movie/game that's acceptable and suitable for all is if we somehow managed to have the exact same mindset.

Serza5 wrote: The reason we have such a variety in media is the reason why such a utopian can never exist; because it's virtually impossible to satisfy everyone in existence. Sure enough you have grown men taking a fondness of MLP but that isn't every single grown man, and on the opposite end there are even little girls (i.e. the target audience) who don't like MLP. And on the same principle what's suitable for one child may not be the case for another of the same age; one child could be fine with violence from a movie while another could be completely horrified with it.

In the end the only way we can have a movie/game that's acceptable and suitable for all is if we somehow managed to have the exact same mindset.

I agree with this and with stuff that were said before by other members. It is pretty much impossible to please everyone. I for example like platforming games in general, but I dislike Sonic. All the platformers in existence aren't meant to please everybody.

Haruka wrote:

Serza5 wrote: The reason we have such a variety in media is the reason why such a utopian can never exist; because it's virtually impossible to satisfy everyone in existence. Sure enough you have grown men taking a fondness of MLP but that isn't every single grown man, and on the opposite end there are even little girls (i.e. the target audience) who don't like MLP. And on the same principle what's suitable for one child may not be the case for another of the same age; one child could be fine with violence from a movie while another could be completely horrified with it.

In the end the only way we can have a movie/game that's acceptable and suitable for all is if we somehow managed to have the exact same mindset.

I agree with this and with stuff that were said before by other members. It is pretty much impossible to please everyone. I for example like platforming games in general, but I dislike Sonic. All the platformers in existence aren't meant to please everybody.

Exactly. And I myself am a huge fan of the movie Pulp Fiction. Is it meant for people age? No. Will every older teenager/young adult/adult enjoy it however? No. Neither will everyone else my age.

@Haruka
What Sonic games you tried and did not like them?
I know you said Sonic 3 once. Did you tried some others too or only that one?

Aye, Serza worded it best.

Hunchman801 wrote:I don't quite see how considerations such as whether gender-specific interests are innate or acquired or any other gender theory-related stuff for that matter allow any questioning of the affirmation that some subjects are indeed preferred by and oriented at females.

Perhaps I misinterpreted it (largely because of who was saying it), in the sense that if a show is for 'girls', it's quite strict. Though in reality, I obviously should have been looking at it from the perspective of it being more designed with a female audience in mind, not solely made for females. Then again though, there isn't a lot its content aside from the superficial 'look' of the show that actually screams "I'm a girl's show", having seen a few episodes.

spiraldoor wrote:I'd love to put you in a room with Stanley Kubrick and watch you explain to him that he's not allowed to make A Clockwork Orange because five-year-olds might not be into it.

The first time I watched the film was when I was five, and I actually remember liking it because of its strange, cold atmosphere. The videos that manage to convey their full artistic vision while retaining the ability to appeal to an all-ages audience (albeit largely for very different reasons) are my personal favourites, but that obviously doesn't speak for the media that has nothing in it for either kids or adults.

I think that if possible and if it doesn't deprecate the original vision or feel contrived, wider appeal is often a good thing to have, but by no means should it ever compromise the writer's vision.

OldClassicGamer wrote:@Haruka
What Sonic games you tried and did not like them?
I know you said Sonic 3 once. Did you tried some others too or only that one?

I don't really like Sonic, and I'm also not that fond of Crash either. It's a personal preference, and in this situation, I don't really think such specific questioning is going to get you anywhere. I find the general graphic style of the Sonic games unappealing, and Crash is too flat and cartoony for me.

@Ad
Did you played Spyro?

Nope. I'll likely try it out at some point.

OldClassicGamer wrote:@Ad
Did you played Spyro?

I know your question isn't directed at me, but I just want to say that I sure did. So far, I've only played the third one and it's the only one I own, but I'll get the first two someday also. Spyro can feel a bit too repetitive for my tastes at times, but overall it's a fun game. I'm still stuck on the last world in the third one though, because I still need to find more dragon eggs.

Adsolution wrote: The first time I watched the film was when I was five, and I actually remember liking it because of its strange, cold atmosphere. The videos that manage to convey their full artistic vision while retaining the ability to appeal to an all-ages audience (albeit largely for very different reasons) are my personal favourites, but that obviously doesn't speak for the media that has nothing in it for either kids or adults.

I think that if possible and if it doesn't deprecate the original vision or feel contrived, wider appeal is often a good thing to have, but by no means should it ever compromise the writer's vision.

I knew about A Clockwork Orange for awhile now and I've read a summary of the plot, but I so far haven't seen the whole movie. I saw some of it, and it's likely one day I'll see the whole film one day. All I can say is that while I don't exactly remember seeing any of it prior to seeing some of it not a long time ago, I think it's likely that I saw at least a little bit of it when I was younger, because there's something that struck me as familiar when I read that plot summary of it. It's somewhat similar to my experience with the 1976 version of Carrie - I saw a part of it when I was younger (the part after the prom incident, when her mom tries to kill her but Carrie ultimately ends of killing her mom and the ending when what's her places flowers on Carrie's grave and Carrie grabs her hand and what's her name ends up waking up and realizes the whole movie was nothing more than a freakishly detailed nightmare) and I never knew the name of it. The movie was definitely not aimed at little kids, but I loved it and I've wondered what the name of the movie was for the rest of my life up until not too long ago when I was on Wikipedia and ended up looking at the article for Carrie. That's when I realized this movie was my "long lost movie".

(Read: last sentences here if above it tl;dr-ish) All in all, I agree with your last statement and the point of my previous paragraph was that I had a similar experience with a different movie. Also, another point was that kids can enjoy movies that weren't meant for their demographic in the first place and other people can do the same, while at the same time people who are the targeted demographic might end up disliking that same thing.

The original Crash games for PS1 are great, not quite sure what you're talking about Ad. But I'm fine with that opinion, just questionable to me is all.

I think far too many people let deviantart do the judging for them to give them the overall picture of the Sonic fanbase.
Not sure what Sonic games you're reffering to also Ad.