Understandable.Adsolution wrote:Aye, and I've been very guilty of this sort of thing in my past years as well. If it's a real problem however (I perceive some of your extremely negative and self-deprecating posts to be, and not just because they may affect you, but they may affect others as well), I feel that they should be pointed out on each and every occurrence so that the user becomes very aware of the problem and is able to control it.
Fair enough. I'm surprised that I didn't realize that myself, but at the time it was night and plus my emotions where "out of whack", I suppose. My emotions had clouded my ability to think clearly.Adsolution wrote:The logic is perfectly valid though, as the speaker is straight-up indicating their intention by stating that they aren't an asshole, a motive that oftentimes requires definition due to its ease of misperception. There is no lack of clarity if someone were to shoot someone else in the foot however, that's about as literal as you can get. That is why the analogy you made for disproving my logic does not work. Someone will state that they aren't trying to be an asshole if they are afraid the reader may interpret the speaker as being one given their tone, when the speaker can't find a 'nicer' way of wording something. If you don't believe this to be good reasoning, then it's not because it's illogical, it's because you aren't a fan of blunt logic.
Hmm, good point.Adsolution wrote:Opinions should be logical in order for them to properly assume the role of a grounded opinion, and there's no such thing as over-the-top logic. Logic is entirely black and white.
I have to admit that at the time I wasn't really calm - I felt a bit offended and you claiming that you weren't attempting to be an asshole only confused me a bit more and so thus a wall of text about something that has nothing to do with the point of your argument commenced. Basically, I was more or less ranting and accussing you of having false logic because I was not in the greatest of moods and the logic of what you typed didn't appear to be very logical to me at the time. After re-reading the conversation and then reading this reply I've realized that yes, it truly does work therefore it is logical. Ironically my own logic had been flawed a bit.Adsolution wrote:Untrue, because:
"Calm down" in this context is telling you to be calm and collected. If you were entirely calm and collected, you wouldn't have made that angsty post, unless you have a very unfunny sense of humour in combination with wanting to get some irritating, bottled-up and illogical bullshit off your chest. If that were the case though, it would be great for you to let us know that that's what you're doing. Just because it's a commonly used phrase doesn't mean that it holsters a lower level of validity. It's a versatile phrase; would you have perceived it differently if I'd used a radically different set of words to convey the exact same thing? If so, then according to logic, that's not my problem.Dark Lum Lord wrote:The whole "calm down" point is a bit of a cliche - I've heard it before and it's not the strongest of arguments. Telling someone to calm down won't magically cause it to happen nor is the person who's apparently hystericaly truly hysterical. The might be, but they might not. Sure, they might appear to have a certain emotion in a post to you, but that doesn't mean it's true. I viewed you as being a bit cold and harsh, but then you claimed that you weren't intentionally trying to which would be an example.
Since it seems that the troubled accusation against me for uttering faulty logic was in itself not entirely based on logic, then there's a good chance that it's partially because you haven't grown enough to make the most of the rational sectors of your mind. That also means that there's a good chance your social anxiety isn't an irrational fear, and that you'll likely grow out of it in a few years as a clearer sense of deductive reasoning develops. As far as your ability goes, you're even great at that now, so I have the utmost faith in you becoming one of the smartest people I know.
Whenever I'm happy there's always something that occurs later which brings down my mood again.ZeptoRay wrote: By that logic if I said that I'm not trying to be an asshole, I would be an asshole anyway? Its just to point out that the person saying this doesn't want to be seen as one and have no intentions in being one.
I think you should calm down a bit with posts like that though, not only does it affect yourself for posting self-loathing posts, but it also affects the mood of others that read it. I also think you should think a bit more optimistically, no need to be extremely pessimist like you're doing, life have its good sides too but you seem to not see them. I bet you that not everyone where you live hates you, that's kind of impossible unless you killed people or did something of the kind. I already went through a self-loathing stage and am a big pessimistic person, but thinking optimistically sometime helps more than you would think.
True, most of the individuals one here can appear to be the largest assholes to exist unless you realize that we're joking.ZeptoRay wrote: Don't jump to conclusions like that about someone until you actually have spoke to them. If I did that, I would consider more than half the people here to be complete assholes that don't give a fuck because of the way they act which is untrue.
Does everyone always ignore me? Of course not, but for a large chunk of my time I am alone and it remains that way unless I take action to change it. Even then though, many times I remain unnoticed. But today I had been especially social and it turned out postitive for once, which proves that I have no reason to always be a pessimistic, sardonic downer.ZeptoRay wrote: Don't think that people always think " oh he so ugly, he should die, fucking idiot" etc, because people honestly don't. Having a low self-esteem can be bad but have you ever tried to push yourself forward in what you would like to do in your day? And I'm pretty sure not everyone ignore you.
But socializing with others is difficult because it's hard for me to think of what to say and even if I do manage to go past that obstacle, most people appear to ignore me for absolutely no reason. I assume it has to do with me being "weird", and one negative of that would be the fact that many people I don't even know act like I'm invisible which is quite close-minded. But I agree, there's nothing wrong with that and most of my friends are also lumped into the "weirdo" category, and they're quite funny, a bit witty, and creative.ZeptoRay wrote: It sounds like you're hating yourself a lot. Being physically weak is nothing wrong at all, being mentally weak isn't either, everyone have weaknesses. Who said you were ugly? You can only be ugly from the inside, the outside of someone isn't that important to be honest, someone could look beautiful but would be a complete jerk and vice-versa. You can learn how to have better social skills by trying to talk to people, might be hard to think about but its easier than you think. Being aloof and awkward isn't a wrong thing. Being "weird" isn't wrong, because you're not the sheep following the shepherd that most people follow and decided to follow a different path in life.
I think it's very kind of him to do that. I've stood up for my friends when they were being ridiculed, myself. I think that's a great example.ZeptoRay wrote:An example would be how much I was bullied in the past, but when I was fifteen, a guy I knew since kindergarten stood up for me and said if they didn't stop he was going to make them see the hospital.
I literally could not have said that better myself even though those thoughts have been inside of me deep down, however they've been overshadowed by my sadness. Thank you, I'll try to remember that next time I'm down in the dumps.ZeptoRay wrote: In short: don't mind what people may say or think about you, they are a minority and are just stupid. Keep your head up and don't let yourself fall down, because one day you might not be able to get up anymore. Think about how there are thousand of people in the world that are like you, you aren't alone in this. Life isn't always bad, there is a lot of things enjoyable, if there wasn't any bad things, there wouldn't be anything good either, just like how if there is no Sun, there wont be shadows because the Sun isn't there to make them appear. If anything bothers you, you can always ask help from a friend, a relative or people you trust. People always judge, no one can do anything about that.
Heh, I can relate to that on a spiritual level, as you could imagine.ZeptoRay wrote: So much of text, and probably half of it makes no sense because I'm really tired and I often express myself badly already.
Bleh, going to bed now, I should have been sleeping since an hour and half ago.
Thinking about it, I'd have to say that you're certainly correct with that one.Adsolution wrote:I think he already knows most of this deep down, and that much of the anxiety simply thrives off of older, less-sensical thoughts, things that aren't not necessarily what he still believes about himself to this day.
That's just my guess though, I may be completely wrong.
Other than the support I've received here, I haven't really had any which only made me feel as though my thoughts were correct. Nearly every time I'm happy and I don't allow things to bring me down something occurs not too long later that only shatters the bliss, which also "reassured" my exaggerated thoughts. I nearly always keep this inside of me, so if it weren't for the fact that I look depressed even when I'm not depressed at all - according to others - no one would really notice my internal struggles, but then again most don't realize anyways besides the handful of people who've pointed out the prior about how I'm perceived.Master wrote:In my younger years, when I did have to suffer bullying and the like, I believe I did sometimes go under the impression that I wasn't generally liked, though as I've gotten older and with support, I've learnt to not allow that to not put me down, though I think I've become a little bitter internally at times.
Don't pay attention to whatever brought your mood down. It happens to everyone.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Whenever I'm happy there's always something that occurs later which brings down my mood again.ZeptoRay wrote: By that logic if I said that I'm not trying to be an asshole, I would be an asshole anyway? Its just to point out that the person saying this doesn't want to be seen as one and have no intentions in being one.
I think you should calm down a bit with posts like that though, not only does it affect yourself for posting self-loathing posts, but it also affects the mood of others that read it. I also think you should think a bit more optimistically, no need to be extremely pessimist like you're doing, life have its good sides too but you seem to not see them. I bet you that not everyone where you live hates you, that's kind of impossible unless you killed people or did something of the kind. I already went through a self-loathing stage and am a big pessimistic person, but thinking optimistically sometime helps more than you would think.
Well of course if you want this to change you have to take action, or else you don't go forward. Don't try to seek attention too much, people tend to dislike that too.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Does everyone always ignore me? Of course not, but for a large chunk of my time I am alone and it remains that way unless I take action to change it. Even then though, many times I remain unnoticed. But today I had been especially social and it turned out postitive for once, which proves that I have no reason to always be a pessimistic, sardonic downer.ZeptoRay wrote: Don't think that people always think " oh he so ugly, he should die, fucking idiot" etc, because people honestly don't. Having a low self-esteem can be bad but have you ever tried to push yourself forward in what you would like to do in your day? And I'm pretty sure not everyone ignore you.
I'm in the same situation as you right now. If it gets awkward or anything you can talk about random things like the weather. Sounds stupid but that works. And strangers will ignore you, because they are strangers and you're a stranger to them.Dark Lum Lord wrote:But socializing with others is difficult because it's hard for me to think of what to say and even if I do manage to go past that obstacle, most people appear to ignore me for absolutely no reason. I assume it has to do with me being "weird", and one negative of that would be the fact that many people I don't even know act like I'm invisible which is quite close-minded. But I agree, there's nothing wrong with that and most of my friends are also lumped into the "weirdo" category, and they're quite funny, a bit witty, and creative.ZeptoRay wrote: It sounds like you're hating yourself a lot. Being physically weak is nothing wrong at all, being mentally weak isn't either, everyone have weaknesses. Who said you were ugly? You can only be ugly from the inside, the outside of someone isn't that important to be honest, someone could look beautiful but would be a complete jerk and vice-versa. You can learn how to have better social skills by trying to talk to people, might be hard to think about but its easier than you think. Being aloof and awkward isn't a wrong thing. Being "weird" isn't wrong, because you're not the sheep following the shepherd that most people follow and decided to follow a different path in life.
You're welcome.Dark Lum Lord wrote:I literally could not have said that better myself even though those thoughts have been inside of me deep down, however they've been overshadowed by my sadness. Thank you, I'll try to remember that next time I'm down in the dumps.ZeptoRay wrote: In short: don't mind what people may say or think about you, they are a minority and are just stupid. Keep your head up and don't let yourself fall down, because one day you might not be able to get up anymore. Think about how there are thousand of people in the world that are like you, you aren't alone in this. Life isn't always bad, there is a lot of things enjoyable, if there wasn't any bad things, there wouldn't be anything good either, just like how if there is no Sun, there wont be shadows because the Sun isn't there to make them appear. If anything bothers you, you can always ask help from a friend, a relative or people you trust. People always judge, no one can do anything about that.
Have you seen someone that is a specialist in that to know if you're depressed for real or not? Because its pretty hard to say by yourself that you are or not plus the fact that there are different kinds of depressions.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Other than the support I've received here, I haven't really had any which only made me feel as though my thoughts were correct. Nearly every time I'm happy and I don't allow things to bring me down something occurs not too long later that only shatters the bliss, which also "reassured" my exaggerated thoughts. I nearly always keep this inside of me, so if it weren't for the fact that I look depressed even when I'm not depressed at all - according to others - no one would really notice my internal struggles, but then again most don't realize anyways besides the handful of people who've pointed out the prior about how I'm perceived.Master wrote:In my younger years, when I did have to suffer bullying and the like, I believe I did sometimes go under the impression that I wasn't generally liked, though as I've gotten older and with support, I've learnt to not allow that to not put me down, though I think I've become a little bitter internally at times.
Easier said than done, but granted you're right.ZeptoRay wrote: Don't pay attention to whatever brought your mood down. It happens to everyone.
Which I find a bit hypocritical since a lot of the people at my school appear to be attention-craving, but I see what you mean. I don't anyways, though, if I'm feeling ignored I'll just sit by myself and think about it which I don't think is a way of excessively showing signs of seekings of attention since no one knows what I'm even thinking about to begin with.ZeptoRay wrote: Well of course if you want this to change you have to take action, or else you don't go forward. Don't try to seek attention too much, people tend to dislike that too.
I get what you mean now. I rarely talk to others who I'm not friends with, however I still acknowledge their existence by listening and looking at them if they're having conversations and I'm sitting and doing nothing, which the same can't be said for them since they don't do acknowledge me whatsoever minus the very rare exception in which they do notice me for a split second. Over all, I just realized that I was being a bit selfish. I can't just expect every single person I'm not close with to walk up to me and give me attention.ZeptoRay wrote: I'm in the same situation as you right now. If it gets awkward or anything you can talk about random things like the weather. Sounds stupid but that works. And strangers will ignore you, because they are strangers and you're a stranger to them.
Heh.ZeptoRay wrote: You're welcome.
Actually I did have a therapist and I had explained to her that I had thought I had depression and social anxiety disorder. Eventually she came to agree and I actually was diagnosed with both. It's been such awhile since I've seen her that I've forgotten about her. I kind of miss talking to her because we more or less became friends after talking so much. She told me to watch out for myself when it gets cooler because it's possible that I have seasonal affective disorder the last session or perhaps second to last or such and I'll never forget that since it was one of the last things she told me.ZeptoRay wrote: Have you seen someone that is a specialist in that to know if you're depressed for real or not? Because its pretty hard to say by yourself that you are or not plus the fact that there are different kinds of depressions.
You can read a bit about it here. http://depression.about.com/od/mooddiso ... ntypes.htm
Funnily, the person I saw was a psychologist for my autism. I see him at least once a year to see how I'm going, the only thing he told me was to keep my head up and that it will go away with time. Guess that took four years.Dark Lum Lord wrote: Actually I did have a therapist and I had explained to her that I had thought I had depression and social anxiety disorder. Eventually she came to agree and I actually was diagnosed with both. It's been such awhile since I've seen her that I've forgotten about her. I kind of miss talking to her because we more or less became friends after talking so much. She told me to watch out for myself when it gets cooler because it's possible that I have seasonal affective disorder the last session or perhaps second to last or such and I'll never forget that since it was one of the last things she told me.
She was like a mother to me.
Is your psychologist suggesting that Autism can magically "go away"? Because it never will as people on the spectrum aren't suffering from a "disorder", they just have a brain that's wired differently but still functional and there's nothing wrong with that. However, yes the symptoms tend to go away as one gets older and/or has therapy.ZeptoRay wrote:Funnily, the person I saw was a psychologist for my autism. I see him at least once a year to see how I'm going, the only thing he told me was to keep my head up and that it will go away with time. Guess that took four years.Dark Lum Lord wrote: Actually I did have a therapist and I had explained to her that I had thought I had depression and social anxiety disorder. Eventually she came to agree and I actually was diagnosed with both. It's been such awhile since I've seen her that I've forgotten about her. I kind of miss talking to her because we more or less became friends after talking so much. She told me to watch out for myself when it gets cooler because it's possible that I have seasonal affective disorder the last session or perhaps second to last or such and I'll never forget that since it was one of the last things she told me.
She was like a mother to me.
Although, its the first time that I hear about a seasonal disorder.
No no, he was talking about my depression not my autism.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Is your psychologist suggesting that Autism can magically "go away"? Because it never will as people on the spectrum aren't suffering from a "disorder", they just have a brain that's wired differently but still functional and there's nothing wrong with that. However, yes the symptoms tend to go away as one gets older and/or has therapy.ZeptoRay wrote:Funnily, the person I saw was a psychologist for my autism. I see him at least once a year to see how I'm going, the only thing he told me was to keep my head up and that it will go away with time. Guess that took four years.Dark Lum Lord wrote: Actually I did have a therapist and I had explained to her that I had thought I had depression and social anxiety disorder. Eventually she came to agree and I actually was diagnosed with both. It's been such awhile since I've seen her that I've forgotten about her. I kind of miss talking to her because we more or less became friends after talking so much. She told me to watch out for myself when it gets cooler because it's possible that I have seasonal affective disorder the last session or perhaps second to last or such and I'll never forget that since it was one of the last things she told me.
She was like a mother to me.
Although, its the first time that I hear about a seasonal disorder.
You're saying you've never heard of seasonal affective disorder before? It's when your depression starts to begin as the temperature gets colder and peaks at winter, then starts to dissipate as spring comes. There's also such thing as the opposite in which you become depressed during the summer. It's possible that I have that according to her and I think I agree a bit myself.
Honestly, he never talks about my autism but just daily life stuff.ZeptoRay wrote:No no, he was talking about my depression not my autism.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Is your psychologist suggesting that Autism can magically "go away"? Because it never will as people on the spectrum aren't suffering from a "disorder", they just have a brain that's wired differently but still functional and there's nothing wrong with that. However, yes the symptoms tend to go away as one gets older and/or has therapy.ZeptoRay wrote:Funnily, the person I saw was a psychologist for my autism. I see him at least once a year to see how I'm going, the only thing he told me was to keep my head up and that it will go away with time. Guess that took four years.Dark Lum Lord wrote: Actually I did have a therapist and I had explained to her that I had thought I had depression and social anxiety disorder. Eventually she came to agree and I actually was diagnosed with both. It's been such awhile since I've seen her that I've forgotten about her. I kind of miss talking to her because we more or less became friends after talking so much. She told me to watch out for myself when it gets cooler because it's possible that I have seasonal affective disorder the last session or perhaps second to last or such and I'll never forget that since it was one of the last things she told me.
She was like a mother to me.
Although, its the first time that I hear about a seasonal disorder.
You're saying you've never heard of seasonal affective disorder before? It's when your depression starts to begin as the temperature gets colder and peaks at winter, then starts to dissipate as spring comes. There's also such thing as the opposite in which you become depressed during the summer. It's possible that I have that according to her and I think I agree a bit myself.
No, I never did, because for me it was constantly depressed about 24/7 in every season, nothing changed with them.
Nah, I just badly worded it.Dark Lum Lord wrote: Ahh, I see. Oh me and my stupidity.
Well, my depression started before the middle of ladt year and was nearly entirely gone at the start of summer which is why she suspects that it could be seasonal affective, but we'll have to find out if that's true later this month I guess. I still have some symptoms that haven't gone away entirely, but over all I feel like my depression has been lifted. Also want to add that I'm already aware of the different forms of depression and I've studied up a lot on disorders since I'm interested in psychology. I think atypical depression and dysthymia fit me the most, however my therapist never specified my depression. She cared far more about helping me than slapping a lable on me.
Now comes the buttsex.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Perhaps a lighter and fluffier conversation should commence now that all of this is past us?
My body is ready.Keane wrote:Now comes the buttsex.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Perhaps a lighter and fluffier conversation should commence now that all of this is past us?
Dark Lum Lord wrote:My body is ready.Keane wrote:Now comes the buttsex.Dark Lum Lord wrote:Perhaps a lighter and fluffier conversation should commence now that all of this is past us?
