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[technology4617]

I meant depressive suicide specifically. I've been multi-tasking, so I have made a few mistakes that I have edit out after the fact. Sorry for the confusion.

Not necessarily. Depressive suicide could stem from a simple logical fallacy, in which an otherwise strong-willed and level-headed human being makes a very poor decision that costs them, well, their life. This is, admittedly, rarely the case, though.

[saerleiya]

Not necessarily. Depressive suicide could stem from a simple logical fallacy, in which an otherwise strong-willed and level-headed human being makes a very poor decision that costs them, well, their life. This is, admittedly, rarely the case, though.

But it still exists. I'm okay with people expressing their opinion about suicide, or a more specific kind of suicide, but you can understand that the notion of it being universal is rather shocking...

[sonicbrawler182]

I meant depressive suicide specifically. I've been multi-tasking, so I have made a few mistakes that I have edit out after the fact. Sorry for the confusion.

Not necessarily. Depressive suicide could stem from a simple logical fallacy, in which an otherwise strong-willed and level-headed human being makes a very poor decision that costs them, well, their life. This is, admittedly, rarely the case, though.

That's still technically displaying weak will, though. All that's required is to feel it for a brief moment, and that person's life is gone.

I get what you're saying, but it's still technically displaying a weak will to live, even if something external is warping a person's thoughts and emotions, like being under the influence of certain drugs, and even if it's only for a moment.

Then as well as depressive suicide and euphoric suicide, there's even accidental suicide, where the suicide has nothing to do with a lack of will to live or a preference for death, but the person kills themselves without actually wanting or trying to. What you're describing sounds like accidental suicide, now that I've brought the concept in front of me...

[Adsolution]

All ' ' mark statements that contain accusation with no actual statement.

More pointless fluff where you talk big and show that you are ignoring nearly everything I say, yet again. Moving on...

First of all, the dictionary definitions should have been enough because they make my point pretty concisely clear.

Also, cut it with the cheesy puns. You aren't being smart or funny with them, and frankly, I don't think anyone would appreciate someone going besides the point to try and make puns (that double as false, ignorant accusations) when discussing the matter of depressive suicide.

I like how topical puns aren't allowed for some reason, in spite of all else. I still don't understand why.

merely pretend you have in your confirmation bias

instead of trying to be witty, you'd actually be able to make a reasonable point, or maybe you'd actually see where your fault is, learn something from it and, as a result, have a better understanding of how depressive suicide (or even depression in general) works.

Total of three times now. You have on three occasions likened suicidal people to cowards.

Search for the word 'threshold' in this thread.

You made the most direct claim you have made this entire time. That wasn't a matter of poor wording (way too stark a contrast to the opposite view), that was the truth coming out, the most defined and extreme stance you've claimed to have in this discussion.

So one isn't allowed to back out of a claim that they hardly remember making? I don't believe they are the same thing, but at the time I made that post, your introduction of 'weak will' I guess left me somewhat off-guard.

If you aren't willing to move past that despite me personally dismissing something I said earlier as being inaccurate, then screw you man, you make me want to kill myself.

I meant depressive suicide specifically. I've been multi-tasking, so I have made a few mistakes that I have edit out after the fact. Sorry for the confusion.

Oh? I don't believe you, I think that was the truth coming out.

Typo due to a lack of context or a mental slip, they're both mistakes and both deserve a chance to be refuted, as they no longer apply to the current situation no matter what you think.

At least some part of you believes all suicidal people are cowards (though considering how this whole discussion has gone, I doubt it's a small part, kinda was getting the impression you felt that before you even directly said it).

Search for the word 'threshold' in this thread.

You both know that it's not always the case.

Again, don't simplify what someone's said. I'm not applying cowardice as strictly a motive for [depressive] suicide, rather as a motive for things on a more subconscious level, taking a prominent role in our day-to-day activities as well. Depressive suicide, and I've explained why, I find to be related to decisions that occur in our minds that reflect cowardice, or backing out of an ordeal. It doesn't matter if the ordeal is tedious and mundane and poses a high chance of failure, the failure to see it through is due to not wanting to have to put up with the challenge, despite the gold you desire potentially laying at the end of the road. If you don't want to be alive and happy, you would simply rather be dead overall, then that's preferring the qualities of death over the qualities of life, which is not what this discussion is about.

And to reiterate for the sake of others and for the sake of trying one final time to enable Sonicbrawler's reading ability: Cowardice is, like a lot of other things, a unit of measurement, much like temperature, though obviously abstract, and also reciprocatable. The lack of heat is described as coldness. The lack of cowardice is described as bravery, and the lack of bravery is described as cowardice. What one chooses to identify as 'cold' obviously changes depending on the person and the situation, as is the case with a coward or a courageous person - there is no objective statement that claims that one particular place is 'hot', much like how there is no objective statement that claims that one particular person who committed suicide is a coward. However, what is undeniable is that places that contain temperature contain heat, as that's a qualification for temperature - and likewise, cowardice and courage must also coexist. Obviously, I'm using the word 'cowardice' here and not 'bravery', because I've refuted the idea depressive suicide being an act of bravery (anti-cowardice) in my own point of view, and I'm not going to use the term 'lack of bravery', because that's literally what 'cowardice' means.

A particular plant that's naturally able to survive in incredible heat will be viewed as having an extremely high tolerance to temperature, but if the temperature raises to the point where it is no longer able to survive, it will still have succumbed to the effects of overheating; lost to overheating, but still high-tolerance. A particular person that's naturally able to put up with incredible hardship will be viewed as being extremely courageous, but if it becomes harder to the point where they will no longer be able to put up with it, they will have succumbed to the effects of cowardice; lost to cowardice, but still admirably courageous.

This is not a difficult concept to wrap your head around, Sonicbrawler. Pushing aside whether it is cowardice or not, this clearly describes why I'm not necessarily referring to people who succumb to what I believe to be cowardice as cowards.

[Serza5]

Ads we fucking talked about this and we had advised you to at least have the fucking decency to take this to PM.

The fact that this conversation is still going on is fucking amazing.

[Adsolution]

The fact that this conversation is still going on is fucking amazing.

Yeah, I know right? Conversations that last a fucking while, contain lengthy fucking replies and don't move as fucking smooth as fucking butter are inherently indecent, right?

Others have clearly been contributing here and there as well, they wouldn't have been able to do so if the conversation were private.

[saerleiya]

And to reiterate for the sake of others and for the sake of trying one final time to enable Sonicbrawler's reading ability: Cowardice is, like a lot of other things, a unit of measurement, much like temperature, though obviously abstract, and also reciprocatable

I already knew the concept. Like water is very helpful for life, but can still kill you if you consume too much of it.

[Shrooblord]

To create another example, art blocks, feeling unmotivated to do creative things is usually due to being afraid that you won't be able to come up with something creative. You're too afraid to trust yourself, and the fear of disappointing others and yourself is a huge factor. Pushing these fears aside is all that's needed to help you, hence why things like marijuana typically aid creativity - they make you confident and abolish the sociological fear that's holding you back.

That's a funny point you raise, actually. I was just sketching up some storyboards for my game yesterday and although I realised that I cannot draw Ly for shit (really, she looks terrible), I kept drawing because I wanted to get the storyboard out, keeping in the back of my mind that it's probably a good idea that I study up on some reference pictures of her before I continue with frames she features in.
What to take from that is: don't be afraid of yourself or your own doings, even if you hate them, that's good, for you will know why you hate them and you will now how to improve yourself/your art. The result: no art block.
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"I do not have a wish to live."
"I do not have a desire to live."
"I do not have a motivation to live."
"I do not have a will to live."

Correct and incorrect. You seem to have missed another definition of will as it is used in this discussion: will in the meaning of willpower means the mind. "I do not have the will to live" means "My mind cannot take the notion of life anymore", not "I do not want to live". These are very minute but crucially important differences as I'm seeing that these misinterpretations are making both of you unnecessarily angry at each other.
Think of 'will' as it is used in Fable (do you know the game Fable?). They don't mean 'the want to do something'; they mean 'the power in the mind to do something'. Manipulating objects with will is called 'telekinesis', not 'moving stuff with your muscles' (which it would be called if will, in this discussion, meant what you're holding it to mean).
Not trying to be all in-your-face and snooty about definitions here, but thought I'd clear the confusion up as I see there is some hanging around.
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Although I see where your concern comes from, Serza - I mean, you guys are probably afraid this gets too heated -, I enjoy seeing some more lively conversation. Heated discussion doesn't mean people are going to off each other with words. Sonic and Ads are keeping it incredibly civil still, even if either are or are not insulting the other. I've enjoyed reading people's opinions on the matter and would not want the forum to shy this discussion away. That would feel like censorship.
But, I guess, if you feel that is what is to happen, the mods rule this land... I shut my mouth.

[saerleiya]

Although I see where your concern comes from, Serza - I mean, you guys are probably afraid this gets too heated -, I enjoy seeing some more lively conversation. Heated discussion doesn't mean people are going to off each other with words. Sonic and Ads are keeping it incredibly civil still, even if either are or are not insulting the other. I've enjoyed reading people's opinions on the matter and would not want the forum to shy this discussion away. That would feel like censorship.
But, I guess, if you feel that is what is to happen, the mods rule this land... I shut my mouth.

I don't think the conversation was a problem, but it is getting heavier now. I didn't really know what to say until a few hours ago, but that was still a bit shallow.
Strange to think that's Robin Williams' deaht which caused everything to happen. We will still miss you, Robin

Gonna keep on doing stuff around there for myself. Internship is almost done and I'll have even more time after it, even if I will go to Seattle for Pax Prime and to Montréal right after.

[Serza5]

I'll apologise for what I said as it came from pure annoyance and the exact thing I said was out of line. I do not wish to say that heated discussions aren't allowed but sometimes, when it's between two members who aren't known for getting along, that you fear it's going to turn into a flamed argument, or believe it to have gone down that road already.

[saerleiya]

Members have strong personality on RPC, it seems...

[rolesfamily]

Wow quite a few things here lately I never thought I'd see.

[saerleiya]

I have a question for the wiki users: Did you know the French and the English Wiki are ignoring each other about searches? I guess it's because they are two different versions of the same website instead of being two sections of it, making equivalent pages searches difficult.

I noticed that as Master asked me some help for the translation of the 'Switches' page: I made a quick search on the English wiki, and nothing appeared as I typed the equivalent in French. However, as I was looking for the in-game description of a Switch on google, the french page made by boomboleros7 instantly popped out in the first results. I told myself "damn, fortunately I haven't created the page yet on the English wiki XD"...

[PluMGMK]

Well, they are two different sites, like any other multilingual Wiki. Surely doing it any other way would involve lots of unnecessary complications.

[Shrooblord]

A specialised Google Search bar might be nice though (the type of thing that can also be easily achieved by adding "site: raymanpc.com" to the search, except it's implemented for people not in the know) to avoid such complications.

[technology4617]

Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm going to be doing a livestream of my first playthrough of Five Nights at Freddy's at noon tomorrow PST (that's 9pm for you children in Europe). Should be fun, perhaps even scary, but be sure to pop by if you can.

http://twitch.tv/technology4617

[Fifo]

…that's 9pm for you children in Europe…

You’re a child as well. And you’re about the same age as I am.

[Hunchman801]

Too bad, I'll be out tomorrow night. That game looks pretty cool though!

[Haruka]

I just heard about that game yesterday. Is it recent?

[ikke471]

it's fairly recent but holy shit is it scary