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Well fair use is a very grey area.

rolesfamily wrote:I don't really think it's fair that these gaming channels make money from other people's content. Surely they're in the frame to be sued for thousands

The industry the videos are made of make money through the form of publicity. While it's not hard cash, it gets them attention, more players (which means more hard cash than taking down a popular icon on YT), more investors, more advertisers... the more people show off how cool and enjoyable their game is, the more likely they are to attract new customers.

Why ban or block the YouTubers when they are publicising your game or music for free? Why get all whiney and in-your-face about hosting your IP to get you more attention, to show off the YouTuber's love for your product? That's like saying you can't tell people about this brand new game you've been playing that's so cool, because you're using the game's name and describing its events. A YouTube video is in no way dissimilar to that but that it's a different medium than written text, so why is this all of a sudden such a problem?

I'll give you an example:
I watch two gaming channels on YouTube regularly: The Yogscast and Northernlion, both of which have gotten me interested in a number of games I have since then purchased and enjoyed quite a bit. Naming a few: The Binding of Isaac, Minecraft, Invisible Inc., GameDev Tycoon, Hearthstone. If it weren't for those channels, those companies might never have had me as a customer.

Now, it all changes when the YouTuber pretends its their intellectual property. Then, I feel, you have reason to sue, since someone is literally stealing your content and claiming it as their own to make money off of it that way.

Yeah but the reality is that they're only getting the success (views = cash) through using the brand name of the video games. Not every company will see it that way. And what if you're starting out? If you have a very small audience you're hardly making a dent on sales to that game. I find it very difficult to understand tbh.

OldClassicGamer wrote:Copyright Claims that people get by Google's Content ID are complete trash and fake most of the times so thats why everyone wanted Google not to purchase Twitch.

And how is that Google's fault exactly...? The Content ID system was put into place so the copyright holders would get their fair share, and so Google wouldn't be outright breaking the law. The only thing Google is potentially at fault for (though, again, something similar would have been put into place regardless, so it's exactly logical to blame it on Google purchasing the site) is making that system abysmal, but for something as big as YouTube, it's understandable. The system most likely wouldn't have been put into place on a site like Twitch anyway, since it doesn't really allow for the distribution of those sorts of things in the same way that YouTube does.

rolesfamily wrote:I don't really think it's fair that these gaming channels make money from other people's content. Surely they're in the frame to be sued for thousands

However, unlike in the case of the distribution of a movie or song where you are simply distributing the copyrighted content, those gaming channels aren't distributing the actual medium, rather they're distributing someone else simply using it. It's the same reason unboxers don't get charged of selling stolen items; you aren't profiting off the actual item.

technology4617 wrote:And how is that Google's fault exactly...? The Content ID system was put into place so the copyright holders would get their fair share, and so Google wouldn't be outright breaking the law. The only thing Google is potentially at fault for (though, again, something similar would have been put into place regardless, so it's exactly logical to blame it on Google purchasing the site) is making that system abysmal, but for something as big as YouTube, it's understandable. The system most likely wouldn't have been put into place on a site like Twitch anyway, since it doesn't really allow for the distribution of those sorts of things in the same way that YouTube does.

The Content ID system is biggest unnecessary piece of trash ever invented. It's broken and is damagining video makers. Why not just leave it to company to flag videos themselves if they feel it is not fair use? Why have robot decide what is fair use and what not?

I talk more about this issue in greater detail on this video if you are interested in my thoughts:

The robot is far more efficient and sniffing out copyright infringers than any person or team of people would be if they were to watch every single video that comes out on YouTube every day (that's a crazy thing to ask for anyway). But what the bot shouldn't be doing is handing out the punishments itself. It should notify authorities, they should contact the company whose copyright has been infringed and they should be the ones that look at your video and judge whether or not they want to act on it.

Tech: I guess that kinda makes sense in respect to one not actually distributing the PRODUCT. Hm, I still feel though that it's a grey area. Definitely arguable, and all the while it's that; it's probably unwise to engage in it.

Shrooblord wrote:The robot is far more efficient and sniffing out copyright infringers than any person or team of people would be if they were to watch every single video that comes out on YouTube every day (that's a crazy thing to ask for anyway). But what the bot shouldn't be doing is handing out the punishments itself. It should notify authorities, they should contact the company whose copyright has been infringed and they should be the ones that look at your video and judge whether or not they want to act on it.

This. And though the current system fucking sucks, something along the lines of it is necessary to avoid lawsuits, hence why it doesn't make sense to say that it's "all Google's fault."

rolesfamily wrote:Tech: I guess that kinda makes sense in respect to one not actually distributing the PRODUCT. Hm, I still feel though that it's a grey area. Definitely arguable, and all the while it's that; it's probably unwise to engage in it.

It may be a somewhat grey area, but I think it's perfectly safe to engage in regardless, since the content creators don't seem to care at all; the most you have to worry about right now is your video not getting monetized.

The thing is, after robot does the thing, there is way to dispute the claim and the company gets notified but in most cases, they will reinstate claim or get video removed because they are greedy bastards who want money. I fought with couple of companies and threatned with lawsuits if they don't leave me alone. I always win on YouTube counter-notification wither way and result them to get 0 money off my videos and me 100% lately since I learned the tricks from one attorney known as DarkLordOfDebate.

I think it's fair to not monetize your video if it's off the back of content that isn't yours.

In other news, I'm asking a girl to meet up with me that I like! Wish me luck RPC! This could be a beautiful romance!!!!

rolesfamily wrote:I think it's fair to not monetize your video if it's off the back of content that isn't yours.

I guess in the end we think differently which is understandable so it's best that we don't talk about this anymore.

rolesfamily wrote:In other news, I'm asking a girl to meet up with me that I like! Wish me luck RPC! This could be a beautiful romance!!!!

Good luck I guess.

Thanks OCG! The message has been sent! I think I've been pretty brave considering how honest I've been! Holy shiiiiiiat.

rolesfamily wrote:In other news, I'm asking a girl to meet up with me that I like! Wish me luck RPC! This could be a beautiful romance!!!!

Lol, if I ever meet up with a girl, it will have like 0% romance,... oh wait, it already happened

Good luck roles!

Haha y'never know emshomar!

and thanks you lot <3 Sent it last night!

Haven't had a reply yet, but she's only been on her mobile.

I've finally taken my own advice and actually told her how I feel pretty much. Bold move. Lets hope it pays off! If she agrees to meet up with me, I've cracked it!!

rolesfamily wrote:Haha y'never know emshomar!

Exactly roles, you will never know what the heck really goes on my mind when meeting girls

emshomar wrote:

rolesfamily wrote:Haha y'never know emshomar!

Exactly roles, you will never know what the heck really goes on my mind when meeting girls

Probably the exact same thoughts you have about me, sugar

And if the message don't work, girls dig guys who have the balls to ask them up front. Anyway, cupid be with ya!

I haven't seen her in a while, so I'm asking to meet up! I had the balls to actually send her a very forward message! So next step is real life too! No reply yet, but she hasn't been online. No 'seen' under the message yet.

Let's just hope you don't get a permanent 'seen' under the message!