Friendship, love et cetera

[Haruka]

From what I know about it (little, I must admit, as I haven't tried it out), what alcohol really does is give you a boost of confidence, with a ton of negative effects as the price you have to pay for it. Basically, the reason you are funnier is because you're more confident your jokes will succeed. You can have deep conversations because you're confident that your friends won't just laugh at you for it. So...

Another factor is how incomparably fun it is if you're with the right people, but you might not understand this until you've experienced it.

... wouldn't "the right people" be the ones you can have that much fun with or have deep conversations with without being drunk? When I'm with those who are really my friends, I laugh all the time (often to the point that I or my friends get the giggles). With them, I've had several conversations about the kind of things you hide from the world by all costs. That's right, when I'm with them, I'm confident enough to talk. It comes naturally to me. I don't need to "enhance" that confidence or make it easier for myself by drinking. And it seems that, because of that, people respect me more.

There are also those who laugh because I don't drink, who think I'm "not part of the group". Well, if they need people to drink in order to become or remain friends with them, then that's simply pathetic. As is their behaviour when they're drunk, which really doesn't make me want to be part of that group.

Also, the fucking smell. Of the beer (and other alcoholic drinks). The puke. Bwegh. I really, really wouldn't want to get used to that.

I'm in total agreement with Droolie, but there are stuff that Keane and Zepto said that I also agree.

[Dark Lum Lord]

... wouldn't "the right people" be the ones you can have that much fun with or have deep conversations with without being drunk? When I'm with those who are really my friends, I laugh all the time (often to the point that I or my friends get the giggles). With them, I've had several conversations about the kind of things you hide from the world by all costs. That's right, when I'm with them, I'm confident enough to talk. It comes naturally to me. I don't need to "enhance" that confidence or make it easier for myself by drinking.

That's also true for me to an extent, but as I said, it's still a lot easier and more enjoyable if all parties involved are a bit drunk. You'll also find yourself thinking and saying things which surprise you, and which would never even occur to you while sober, despite being reflective of your deepest thoughts. Needless to say, women are usually one of the main topics of conversation.

Eh, the same can be said for marijuana, and on another note marijuana won't kill you.

Relatively harmless.

Sure.

For me, music is my drug. Gets my mind thinking of all sorts of crazy shit. @_@

I'll have to agree with this. Music can cause one to ponder deeply into many subjects, thus causing one to dig deeper in one's own mind to an extent meaning one may find out more about themselves and possibly others through music. It all depends on the music you listen to, however, it must have intellectual lyrics rather than the tasteless lyrics of today's mainstream, teenybopper garbage.

Anyways, I stil haven't managed to find other individuals to have deep, meaningufl or otherwise entertaining conversations with hence why I'm on the Internet during all of my free time. Apparently my family is not intelligent enough to grasp this idea.

[Master]

I probably won't come into contact with drugs, there's just something about them that is really off putting to me, however, I don't think I'm that bad when it comes to conversation and the like, I might act awkward when talking to people I barely know, but I can make some decent conversation with good friends.

[Adsolution]

Relatively harmless.

Sure.

Do explain the meaning behind your sarcasm.

For me, music is my drug. Gets my mind thinking of all sorts of crazy shit. @_@

I'll have to agree with this. Music can cause one to ponder deeply into many subjects, thus causing one to dig deeper in one's own mind to an extent meaning one may find out more about themselves and possibly others through music.

And being high, for example, might allow you to dig even deeper than you would have ever thought possible without the high.

Another factor is how incomparably fun it is if you're with the right people, but you might not understand this until you've experienced it.

... wouldn't "the right people" be the ones you can have that much fun with or have deep conversations with without being drunk?

Two different contexts. I'm pretty sure that when Spiral said "the right people", he was referring to those who are fun to get drunk with, not exclusively those who are fun to be around in general. You can have friends who are plenty fun to be around normally that don't make good drunks, and you can have friends who are plenty fun to be around that make hysterical and enjoyable drunks; I don't think it's really considered a friendship if you aren't even able to enjoy yourself around them sober to at least some extent.

[Dark Lum Lord]

Do explain the meaning behind your sarcasm.

I'm not sure that one could simply call alcohol a "relatively harmless" substance, just going to put that out there.

And being high, for example, might allow you to dig even deeper than you would have ever thought possible without the high.

True, and I won't argue with that, nor was I.

[Adsolution]

I'm not sure that one could simply call alcohol a "relatively harmless" substance, just going to put that out there.

It's "relatively harmless" taken in moderation. If you drink a lot, you're going to damage your liver. If you scream like your friend Kurt Cobain when you sing a lot, you're going to damage your vocal cords.

[Dark Lum Lord]

I'm not sure that one could simply call alcohol a "relatively harmless" substance, just going to put that out there.

It's "relatively harmless" taken in moderation. If you drink a lot, you're going to damage your liver. If you scream like your friend Kurt Cobain when you sing a lot, you're going to damage your vocal cords.

I see, then it that case I agree. I automatically assumed you meant drinking heavily.

[sonicbrawler182]

OK, so let me easily sum up why I avoid drugs and alcohol and would rather be strong through natural means (this is just an easy to understand reason, and therefore my primary one. It's not the only reason).

Take a man who took steroids to gain huge muscles, and wins a gold medal in the hammer throw in the Olympic Games.
Now take a man who trains like crazy, with dedication and resolve, honing their muscles and skills, and wins a gold medal in the same event.

Which of these men actually gained something more than huge muscles and a gold medal?

[Adsolution]

Take a man who took steroids to gain huge muscles, and wins a gold medal in the hammer throw in the Olympic Games.
Now take a man who trains like crazy, with dedication and resolve, honing their muscles and skills, and wins a gold medal in the same event.

Which of these men actually gained something more than huge muscles and a gold medal?

I don't know, that's entirely dependant on the person and/or situation. Was there a rule against using steroids? If not, and if the hard-worker lost to a steroid-user, it's technically his fault for not using them himself. If there was an enforced rule against steroids, then the person who uses them is not playing by the rules. It's that simple, really.

[Keane]

OK, so let me easily sum up why I avoid drugs and alcohol and would rather be strong through natural means (this is just an easy to understand reason, and therefore my primary one. It's not the only reason).

Take a man who took steroids to gain huge muscles, and wins a gold medal in the hammer throw in the Olympic Games.
Now take a man who trains like crazy, with dedication and resolve, honing their muscles and skills, and wins a gold medal in the same event.

Which of these men actually gained something more than huge muscles and a gold medal?

Well I think the drugs mostly being referred to in this thread are weed. Weed is more used more for the supposedly heavenly experience it offers, especially when combined with the right music. That someone enjoys performing this action I can completely understand.

[sonicbrawler182]

OK, so let me easily sum up why I avoid drugs and alcohol and would rather be strong through natural means (this is just an easy to understand reason, and therefore my primary one. It's not the only reason).

Take a man who took steroids to gain huge muscles, and wins a gold medal in the hammer throw in the Olympic Games.
Now take a man who trains like crazy, with dedication and resolve, honing their muscles and skills, and wins a gold medal in the same event.

Which of these men actually gained something more than huge muscles and a gold medal?

Well I think the drugs mostly being referred to in this thread are weed. Weed is more used more for the supposedly heavenly experience it offers, especially when combined with the right music. That someone enjoys performing this action I can completely understand.

That's missing my point entirely.
People here were saying these drugs and alcohol enhanced certain aspects of their personalities, and were trying to imply that they are worth dabbling into because of that. But a wish to achieve these things naturally is a perfect reason to want to avoid the drugs. Because you don't learn anything by using substances to achieve things. You skip the learning experience in doing so.

[Adsolution]

People here were saying these drugs and alcohol enhanced certain aspects of their personalities, and were trying to imply that they are worth dabbling into because of that. But a wish to achieve these things naturally is a perfect reason to want to avoid the drugs. Because you don't learn anything by using substances to achieve things. You skip the learning experience in doing so.

People here are saying that these drugs and alcohol can enhance aspects of your personality, yes, though no one ever said it was an ultimate substitute for sobriety. I can imagine them almost acting as a guide, depending on the circumstance, for instance: If you always wanted to be more of a social person and that one time you were drunk revealed an extremely charming, socially apt side of you that people genuinely liked, you can learn from your drunk self to achieve this in your sober form.

There are also other aspects that are only suitable for a drunk person: It can just be a total blast. How you go about having fun is up to you, and whether that's playing video games, watching paint dry, going on a road trip or getting a bit goofy with your friends from a drink, that's up to you. There's nothing wrong any of those whatsoever.

Whether someone wants to try something out is entirely up to them of course, but it's not in any way an evil or detrimental act to commit, any more than any of the other above examples are. Mountain biking's pretty dangerous you know, you could slip and give yourself brain damage, permanently altering your personality!

[sonicbrawler182]

Whether someone wants to try something out is entirely up to them of course, but it's not in any way an evil or detrimental act to commit, any more than any of the other above examples are.

I never said anything about it being evil, but it can be detrimental to oneself. Substance abuse n' shit. :I

As I said though, I'd rather achieve improvement naturally. Far too many people begin to rely on substances for certain things. I live in a community where you apparantly NEED to be drunk to have fun.

[Adsolution]

That's Ireland for you aye aye.

[sonicbrawler182]

Actually, not really. Lots of people here either drink really casually (as in, a single pint on the odd night out), or not at all. I think it's not as popular as it used to be. Might have something to do with inflation.

Most of the people who think they need to be drunk to have fun are actually just yoloswag teens who you wouldn't know were Irish if it weren't for their accents.

Though seeing drunk Irish men in their 30's or 40's, is pretty funny, because of their rugged voices. Don't get me started on FAARMOORS.

[Adsolution]

Ahah, Ireland is a place I've always wanted to visit, mostly for the reasons all tourists would. It's interesting to know that some of the modern stereotypes seem to have been grabbed from the previous generation.

[Cairnie]

Is it true that Irish people who live in the sticks don't know about any alcohol other than guinness? I ask because my sister went to Limerick and the pub she went in didn't know what Archers was rofl (and also thought all Essex people were black, bless).

[spiraldoor]

I'll have to agree with this. Music can cause one to ponder deeply into many subjects, thus causing one to dig deeper in one's own mind to an extent meaning one may find out more about themselves and possibly others through music. It all depends on the music you listen to, however, it must have intellectual lyrics rather than the tasteless lyrics of today's mainstream, teenybopper garbage.

Anyways, I stil haven't managed to find other individuals to have deep, meaningufl or otherwise entertaining conversations with hence why I'm on the Internet during all of my free time. Apparently my family is not intelligent enough to grasp this idea.

I really hope you don't talk like this in real life. I used to have similar tendencies, and believe me when I say that the sooner you stop trying to sound smart and special the sooner people will start liking you.

Because you don't learn anything by using substances to achieve things. You skip the learning experience in doing so.

Can't speak for anyone else, but I learn a hell of a lot more about myself while drinking than I do while sober. It doesn't "skip" the learning experience, it initiates it directly. I had similar attitudes when I was your age, which admittedly isn't long ago at all. You may come round.

People here are saying that these drugs and alcohol can enhance aspects of your personality, yes, though no one ever said it was an ultimate substitute for sobriety. I can imagine them almost acting as a guide, depending on the circumstance, for instance: If you always wanted to be more of a social person and that one time you were drunk revealed an extremely charming, socially apt side of you that people genuinely liked, you can learn from your drunk self to achieve this in your sober form.

This isn't meant as a personal rebuke to anyone, but we're probably not going to get very far advocating social drinking to a 41% autistic online community centred around a kids' video game.

Is it true that Irish people who live in the sticks don't know about any alcohol other than guinness? I ask because my sister went to Limerick and the pub she went in didn't know what Archers was rofl (and also thought all Essex people were black, bless).

Not true, even rural pubs offer a fair selection of drinks, it's just that Archers isn't an especially popular one. No idea what to make of the Essex thing – maybe whoever your sister was talking to was so drunk they misheard it as Ethiopia?

[Cairnie]

Ah my mistake, Limerick was where she touched down, so she and her now-husband just drove around into all the rural parts. The guy making the Essex remark to her was most likely some drunk old geezer just asking where they're from indeed; how he got such a notion we don't know, but either way it sounded hilarious she she told me.

Come to think of it Archers peach schnapps is another type of drink I do like.

[Snagglebee]

I am not going to have a girlfriend until I get a well paid job. A woman wants the man to take the responsibility , and without money this won't fully be, tells my mom. I also need to focus on uni and studying so I won't have time for a women anyway.