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[neo]

Women, LGBT, Minority Races, having NOTHING to worry about. I'll for sure no longer be supporting many of these assholes in the future.

Lol at you. Probably shouldn't be so confident on something you have no experience on. Adsolution as well. Both candidates sucked, this is true. Trump was spouting bullshit left and right so I really can't tell what his true nature is (regarding his thoughts on races/cultures). Funnily enough he's flip flopping on some of the things he heavily supported, which is actually a good thing. Trump rising to power gives racists the courage to show their racism on their sleeves. (This is good as it wakes some people up) Don't act like there is nothing to worry about. This was a major thing. I didn't vote Trump in. (I may be biased too) I wasn't going to risk it on a wild card that might be just spouting bullshit to fulfill his agenda. The funny thing is it did turn out this way. The country is the same as it was in the 70's, nothing has changed. I will give credit to those who predicted this. I'm just going to live as I always did. Probably.

[neo]

Also, Hillary and the DNC deserved their loss. That's what they get for screwing Bernie over. I only voted her for 'lesser evil'. Trump won because people didn't want to vote either candidate. (Which is dumb in and of itself) Let's hope North Korea doesn't do any dumb shit now that Trump is elected. I also hope that this term will be like the Bush term. I generally found Bush to be entertaining even though he sucked.

[Adsolution]

You might want to fix your quote.

Lol at you. Probably shouldn't be so confident on something you have no experience on. Adsolution as well.

What are you referring to exactly?

I also hope that this term will be like the Bush term. I generally found Bush to be entertaining even though he sucked.

The Bush term was one of the worst in recent history, creating insurmountable debt and murdering hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern civilians. That is a horrible thing to aspire to.

[neo]

I should re-phrase. He shouldn't be so confident in saying those groups of people have nothing to worry about without either A) Being one of those groups and/or B) Living in America to have the same perspective as them. Especially in saying 'NOTHING'. That's a bit too over-confident.

[Fifo]

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[neo]

The Bush term was one of the worst in recent history, creating insurmountable debt and murdering hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern civilians, which is a horrible thing to aspire to.

I know. I'm hoping it's that bad and not worse is what I mean. (Minus the murdering of Middle Eastern Civs)

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[Adsolution]

I should re-phrase. He shouldn't be so confident in saying those groups of people have nothing to worry about without either A) Being one of those groups and/or B) Living in America to have the same perspective as them. Especially in saying 'NOTHING'. That's a bit too over-confident.

And why are you assumimg that neither Dart nor myself belong to one or more of those groups?

[neo]

I was assuming Dart more than you didn't belong in one or more of those groups. It doesn't sound like he does the way he addresses the groups. Note that I said and/or. If he's within one of those groups he may be ignorant if he hasn't lived in America to experience prejudice/racism.

[Adsolution]

Dart is from a pretty thuggish part of Michigan, and I'm from Vancouver (through German immersion), though I travel down to the States regularly. We're both transgender/LGBT, and have a pretty good idea of what it's like to be around prejudice, bigotry and racism.

The issue of racists taking a stand is of course going to come into play here and there, but it's worth noting that the issue is segrated to specific parts of the country, and only the extremists will actually act on their thoughts, which is very few, once again more segregated to the lower class, and, once again, segregated to those who see Trump as a source of inspiration. Crimes attrobuted to racism will probably raise 5% at most, and then quickly go back down, making it a non-issue (relatively speaking) for the country at large.

[Fifo]

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[neo]

Interesting. Guilty as charged for assuming. I am interested to hear why he thinks there is nothing to worry about, though. The issue of racists taking a stand, however small, is not nothing. I should be fine since I live in a city, but to those in rural states or parts, I am not sure. I have no statistics though.

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[Hunchman801]

I should re-phrase. He shouldn't be so confident in saying those groups of people have nothing to worry about without either A) Being one of those groups and/or B) Living in America to have the same perspective as them. Especially in saying 'NOTHING'. That's a bit too over-confident.

I completely disagree with the idea that you can't have an informed opinion on a subject affecting a certain group of people without being part of said group. I'm well aware of how yellow crazy ants are decimating Christmas Island red crabs and I can assure you I'm not a crustacean. This point of view is mostly used by extremist social justice activists to silence people's arguments based on their race, religion or social orientation and is no better than the various forms of discrimination they claim to be fighting.

Glad to see you around though.

[neo]

I was wrong to assume anyway. I am no social activist, I have other things to look forward to. I think he is wrong plain and simple. I think he should back that statement with facts.

Glad to be back. I was talking with a buddy about Rayman (he loves Rayman *more* than me) and I was like 'I should check PC).

[Keane]

Trump was spouting bullshit left and right so I really can't tell what his true nature is (regarding his thoughts on races/cultures). Funnily enough he's flip flopping on some of the things he heavily supported, which is actually a good thing.

I actually think it's very naive that there are people now shutting down the outcry over Trump, because he said he's fine with marriage and told harassers to stop (Wow, let's all pat him on the back for not liking violence and homophobia ). If anything it just seems to be the exact kind of thinking people criticised Obama/Clinton supporters for, that their liberal social views excuse all their other terrible decisions. Ok good, he said those things, but he's still a major fucktard on climate, he wants to continue NSA data collecting, no justice for political prisoners, etc.

As far as Trump flip-flopping right now goes, not exactly thrilled with that. It seems like he's actually going back on his populist ideas - he's putting establishment insiders in his cabinet, including ones that go against the ideas he preached. Strengthen social security, but hand those powers over to people who want to do away with social security. What a fucking con man, and what a shame millions are getting duped into believing he's about to "derail the establishment." They don't know what that means.

Trump rising to power gives racists the courage to show their racism on their sleeves. (This is good as it wakes some people up) Don't act like there is nothing to worry about. This was a major thing. I didn't vote Trump in. (I may be biased too) I wasn't going to risk it on a wild card that might be just spouting bullshit to fulfill his agenda. The funny thing is it did turn out this way. The country is the same as it was in the 70's, nothing has changed. I will give credit to those who predicted this. I'm just going to live as I always did. Probably.

I don't really understand why people are acting like the KKK is marching through the streets and rednecks are firing their guns in public? I've heard there were a few instances of harassment from both the winning and losing side, as is to be expected after elections where people are completely divided and emotions run high. Trump never introduced some policy about restricting minority rights or attacking women, for the most part it sounds like he's going to continue the current status quo (on socio-politics) and ban abortions, something that will inevitably reverse under a future Democrat. I understand people dislike that, but it also doesn't seem the worst case scenario, and I don't get why these protestors don't target specific policies (like his believe that there isn't a racial problem with police), but instead apply vague labels to him. It just reinforces the idea that the left argues "but -phobia" to everything, rather than carve out an agenda to pressure and convince Trump into.

If anything I think this election depressingly signals people aren't waking up at all, and just view politics inside their bubble of personal affairs. I don't hear anyone talking about the Republicans trying to cut environmental regulations, or a large outcry after Chelsea Manning directly pleaded Obama for release (probably in the face of a Trump presidency). Where's the mass protest over NSA spying, or the continuation of questionable drone strikes? No, people aren't really informed about these things, and many of these described problems already exist and grow under Obama's administration, a president this crowd loves because he talks a good game of liberal pandering.

Also, Hillary and the DNC deserved their loss. That's what they get for screwing Bernie over. I only voted her for 'lesser evil'. Trump won because people didn't want to vote either candidate. (Which is dumb in and of itself)

It is their fault, and I hope they admit their responsibility. The Democratic party is falling out of touch with its base, but I'm not sure it's willing to make necessary changes. If Bernie Sanders is not their vision of the party's future, and they don't want to get out of bed with Wall Street and corruption, than all they can do is repackage the same product and hope it lands next election. On the brighter side, we have Ellison running for DNC chairman right now, an actual progressive who believes in reforming the party.

I completely disagree with the idea that you can't have an informed opinion on a subject affecting a certain group of people without being part of said group. I'm well aware of how yellow crazy ants are decimating Christmas Island red crabs and I can assure you I'm not a crustacean. This point of view is mostly used by extremist social justice activists to silence people's arguments based on their race, religion or social orientation and is no better than the various forms of discrimination they claim to be fighting.

Yep, and it's very easy to abuse that thinking too - they don't feel they're ever wrong or biased if the topic is about themselves. It's hard for a lot of people to be a moderate when it affects them.

[neo]

I think people being annoyed at others whining about trump (myself included) are reacting naturally. When Obama was elected there was whining from the other side. Although I don't think people should stop whining, it's ok to whine to cope with something new. As long as we all adjust and try to adapt. It's what people get for voting him in for the wrong reasons.

KKK marching is a little extreme. When I say wake up, I mean to say that it's at least touched the surface. People held it in for so long and now have the courage to say 'nigger' etc. I mean for minorities/black people. I think some white people can be awakened to it but not all, seems mostly white/russians are the types to not really understand or emphasize with why people had issues with Trump.

Luckily I agree, Trump is continuing the status quo and I'm glad for that. What I mean is that even though he won't enforce any policies (I hope) that negatively impact minors/blacks, some blind white racists will still use him as a symbol to carry out and amplify their hatred.

I'll admit that I'm not read up on drone strikes or the NSA spying. I wouldn't simply praise obama for being colored and scold Trump for being obnoxious and white. I am willing to see the policies and what they do, beyond their color. I don't think many can do that, though.

Agreed on DNC losing touch with it's base. Pretty sure each side obviously will need to reflect on what their party really is haha.

[Hunchman801]

I don't really understand why people are acting like the KKK is marching through the streets and rednecks are firing their guns in public? I've heard there were a few instances of harassment from both the winning and losing side, as is to be expected after elections where people are completely divided and emotions run high.

QFT.

I think some white people can be awakened to it but not all, seems mostly white/russians are the types to not really understand or emphasize with why people had issues with Trump.

That's a bit racist and xenophobic.

[Adsolution]

seems mostly white/russians are the types to not really understand or emphasize with why people had issues with Trump.

I think the Russians had far more to worry about than any American did during this election.

[gamerz31w]

russian populists are feeling big relief that donald trump is current potus and they're feeling very lucky

[Adsolution]

Look at that, gamerz is right!