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Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:53 pm
by Acarr
Joshua822 wrote:Yes, one cannot live without doing wrong, that's impossible. But at least one could try.
But it's all about your intention. :wink:

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:55 pm
by Xenon
But again, there are situations in life where you'd be senseless not to break these 'rules'.

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 6:57 pm
by Acarr
"Laws were meant to be broken" :hinhinhin:

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:14 pm
by spiraldoor
Acarr wrote:"Laws were meant to be broken" :hinhinhin:
THOU SHALT NOT KILL...

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:33 pm
by Tobbe
Actually, the most accurate translation of the 6th commandment is "Thou shalt not murder". Apparently, God is totally okay with killing as long as it's "justified" (killing all infidels is totally okay according to the bible).

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:34 pm
by Acarr
I'm sure shooting a duck to get food, or standing on several hundred snails on a wet night (as I've done before), shouldn't count as "murder". :?

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:37 pm
by Tobbe
No, obviously not. Actually, you could kill several billion humans and most of the world's animals without breaking a single commandment.

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:42 pm
by Xenon
I thought the sixth commandment was "Thou shalt not kill".

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:42 pm
by Joshua822
Killing can never be justified.

Well, there is a difference between killing on purpose and killing on accident :wink: For example, if you trap on a bug, because you didn't see it, is not as bad as going to - for example - a nest of young birds and start jumping on the eggs.

In the way of shooting ducks for food, if you don't have any other food and you are starving to death, well, i can come in. But, if one does it for sport, it's as cruel as murdering a human being.

Re: God...

Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:45 pm
by Tobbe
Xenon wrote:I thought the sixth commandment was "Thou shalt not kill".
Oh, okay. That's why I put a question mark after '5th' in my post. It's been corrected now.

Also, there is nothing wrong with killing animals for food.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:22 am
by Holy Crap
If there is something wrong with it, lions are sinners. :tssk:

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:34 am
by iHeckler9
Yeah, like you'd see lions in Heaven... :P

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:17 pm
by Xenon
I can sort of understand why killing anything is wrong - even if the intention is to keep oneself alive. The Bible seems to be full of imperatives that are simply not doable. I for one would choose to kill an animal of meat in order to prevent starvation, and I'm sure most others would too. However, I also believe that people should not dismiss the Bible as unscientific nonsense since it cannot be proved nor disproved, and I see little point in arguing - everyone should acknowledge that religion is merely a matter of faith and personal belief... not a matter of some offertory scientific facts. In my opinion, people who rely solely on science are far more ridiculous than religious people, as even to this day, science cannot explain everything about everything.

To clarify my main point: religion is simply a personal belief that can neither be proved nor disproved. Science is not incompatible with faith, despite what many people might say. Although it may provide an improbable 'view' on the case, it certainly is not concrete therefore everybody should be allowed to believe what they wish without being ridiculed for it.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:22 pm
by Joshua822
Also, there is nothing wrong with killing animals for food.
This is actually a bad statement, since then you could say cannibalism is right too.

I think there are people who eat to much meat, for example, i think one piece of meat for diner is okay, because a human being needs it. But, people tend to eat it for lunch too. I think that's wrong. Yes, it might be tasty, but how tasty is it when you know you are eating a dead animal and your body doesn't even need this.

There are alternatives to meat, but not everyone can afford them, so i will leave it out of the case.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:32 pm
by Tobbe
Joshua822 wrote:
Also, there is nothing wrong with killing animals for food.
This is actually a bad statement, since then you could say cannibalism is right too.
Obviously, killing humans for eating is wrong. Cannibalism, however, is totally acceptable in a desperate situation, as long as any humans eaten died of natural causes.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:33 pm
by spiraldoor
Holy Crap wrote:If there is something wrong with it, lions are sinners. :tssk:
The Bible said something about lions eating grass in Heaven or something like that.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:39 pm
by Joshua822
The Bible said something about lions eating grass in Heaven or something like that.
That was about the lions eating grass in the paradise, in the story of creation.

Obviously, killing humans for eating is wrong
And why isn't it wrong to kill animals for food then ? I don't think a human life is worth more then the life of an animal at all.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:44 pm
by spiraldoor
Joshua822 wrote:
The Bible said something about lions eating grass in Heaven or something like that.
That was about the lions eating grass in the paradise, in the story of creation.
No, it wasn't. It was definitely in future tense.
Joshua822 wrote:i think one piece of meat for diner is okay
Joshua822 wrote:I don't think a human life is worth more then the life of an animal at all.
I find that disturbing. You just said that it's okay for a person to eat meat, but you also said that an animal's life is worth at least the same as a human's. You're advocating cannibalism.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:02 pm
by Tobbe
You're sick, Joshua.

Re: God...

Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:09 pm
by iHeckler9
Would Neanderthals be in Heaven?