Obama is President

[Xenon]

All I said was that traditional methods like the spiked cradle should not be used. More modern, less painful methods should be used, such as drugging.

[spiraldoor]

Secondly, I never thought you (I mean Xenon. You know, the mod? His user name is in green letters? His name starts with an X? That guy.) were kidding in the "Obama will be President after January" thread about how you think death penalties should never be used ever.

Xenon didn't say that, though, did he? It was Tobbe

Check.

[Cairnie]

This thread is going absolutely nowhere.

[spiraldoor]

That is true. We should talk more about Obama.

Hmm...I don't think he is going to change much.

[Shawn]

It's too early to judged that. He hasn't even been in office for a whole week yet. (by week I mean seven days.)

[spiraldoor]

What exactly do you think he is going to do differently?

[Joshua822]

Obama is freeing money for the hird world, and is considering open source software

[El Dango]

All I said was that traditional methods like the spiked cradle should not be used. More modern, less painful methods should be used, such as drugging.

That doesn't make it less wrong.

[Xenon]

Are you joking, or...? Torturing someone for eight hours before killing them is far more evil than killing them straight off painlessly.

[El Dango]

Of course i'm not joking!
Killing is wrong!

[Xenon]

I know that, but it's far more cruel to torture someone by, for example, whipping them continuously for six hours while hanging upside down.

[Tobbe]

I know that

Then why do you support death penalty?

[El Dango]

I know that, but it's far more cruel to torture someone by, for example, whipping them continuously for six hours while hanging upside down.

Yeah, but drugging is cruel too. Not as much as torture of course, but still...

[Xenon]

I believe in the death penalty because I think murderers and mass rapists don't deserve to live on this beautiful planet. I don't think tax payers should be paying their well-earned money to feed and take care of evil prisoners, either...

Plus it would free up the prisons and deter future criminals, but I've already said this.

[Tobbe]

I believe in the death penalty because I think murderers and mass rapists don't deserve to live on this beautiful planet.

You argument about tax payers money I could understand, but this is bullshit.

[Xenon]

How is it bullshit? In my opinion, such criminals don't deserve to walk free and lead a happy, wholesome life. Prison sentences just aren't enough. We need proper punishments (especially here in the UK).

I'll admit that it IS immoral to kill someone, but unless measures aren't taken we're going to be bombarded with heartless criminals living on our streets, with the potential to carry out such crimes again and again.

[Tobbe]

How is it bullshit? In my opinion, such criminals don't deserve to walk free and lead a happy, wholesome life. Prison sentences just aren't enough. We need proper punishments (especially here in the UK).

A lifetime in prison is not a proper punishment?

I'll admit that it IS immoral to kill someone, but unless measures aren't taken we're going to be bombarded with heartless criminals living on our streets, with the potential to carry out such crimes again and again.

wtf? You are aware that even if murderers aren't sentenced to death, they will still be imprisoned for a significant number of years, right?

If you think that death penalties have a preventive effect on would-be criminals, you are wrong. Several studies have shown that there is no connection between the maximum prison sentence in a country and the murder rate, or the general crime rate. The maximum sentence here is 21 years, and the murder rate is one of the lowest in the world. If you're seeking to lower the crime rates, there is no point in introducing a death penalty.

[Xenon]

A lifetime in prison is not a proper punishment?

It's not always lifetime, it's often not even 20 years. Besides, what good is lifetime imprisonment? As I said, people are paying to keep them alive. It wouldn't be any good either - I'm sure most criminals would prefer to die (painlessly of course) than spend the rest of their life in prison.

wtf? You are aware that even if murderers aren't sentenced to death, they will still be imprisoned for a significant number of years, right?

What kind of a point is that? If a prisoner walks free, a prisoner walks free.

If you think that death penalties have a preventive effect on would-be criminals, you are wrong. Several studies have shown that there is no connection between the maximum prison sentence in a country and the murder rate, or the general crime rate. The maximum sentence here is 21 years, and the murder rate is one of the lowest in the world. If you're seeking to lower the crime rates, there is no point in introducing a death penalty.

Even if it is the case, there are still many other essential reasons.

[Tobbe]

A lifetime in prison is not a proper punishment?

It's not always lifetime, it's often not even 20 years. Besides, what good is lifetime imprisonment? As I said, people are paying to keep them alive. It wouldn't be any good either - I'm sure most criminals would prefer to die (painlessly of course) than spend the rest of their life in prison.

And I'm sure most criminals would rather live than die.

wtf? You are aware that even if murderers aren't sentenced to death, they will still be imprisoned for a significant number of years, right?

What kind of a point is that? If a prisoner walks free, a prisoner walks free.

Yeah, after serving his sentence. If the court decides a murderer has to spend 21 years in prison, why shouldn't he be free to go after serving that sentence?

If you think that death penalties have a preventive effect on would-be criminals, you are wrong. Several studies have shown that there is no connection between the maximum prison sentence in a country and the murder rate, or the general crime rate. The maximum sentence here is 21 years, and the murder rate is one of the lowest in the world. If you're seeking to lower the crime rates, there is no point in introducing a death penalty.

Even if it is the case, there are still many other essential reasons.

Name them.

[Xenon]

And I'm sure most criminals would rather live than die.

Really? I'd rather die than spend the rest of my life living an unproductive, boring, pointless existence in prison.

Yeah, after serving his sentence. If the court decides a murderer has to spend 21 years in prison, why shouldn't he be free to go after serving that sentence?

It's dependent on the gravity of the crime they committed, but if for example they murdered an innocent person in cold blood, they shouldn't deserve a prison sentence at all. I think a death sentence is far more suitable.

Name them.

I've already done that!