Rayman 3 scores

[DTUCC]

Concerning the vortex, I have come to accept my fate. Of course this leaves fuel for arguments, but it's not only the missing vortex that falls in that category. PC players for example are missing points in both DOTK and HH. It feels as if by now every single improvement just reveals another version difference. Sure, so far this is about a few hundred points, but it adds up, and maybe someday in the future there will be a platform that is thousands of points behind the others. The HoF simply wouldn't serve as a fair way to judge people's scores anymore and a first place would be worth literally nothing.

As for FC, I have met all your demands. I provided a screenshot showing my score. I stated that I improved every single combo in TOTL. The reason is simple: We had enough points already to reach 104.499. There was no reason so far to optimise every combo in the level, which is why we haven't done it until a few weeks ago. In retrospect, my statement was a bit off though, since there is indeed a single source of points (I don't really want to call it a "combo") I didn't improve: The two piggy banks in part two next to the empty cage.

As you can see, we are indeed on equal footing now, concerning the knowledge about the other one's combos. The reason I'm not giving out any more information is obvious: I'd be kicking myself straight out of the competition again.
It doesn't matter if it's intentional or not, the missing information on your FC combos gives you an edge over your competition. I have finally caught up to your score and have an edge myself in an entirely different level. I have provided the information you demanded in the first place though, so please do not demand any more.

However, since I would indeed like to see the walkthrough finished, let me offer you a compromise: I am about to start another attempt at reaching a new maximum in TOTL. I will record all my findings. If you can manage to either beat my score or at least draw even, I will gladly provide a solution for the forum, since you are indeed my only concern right now, competition-wise.

[DTUCC]

weeeee

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[Hunchman801]

I'm a bit late for the party, but in the light of the recent events, there are several subjects I need to address.

First of all, congratulations to DTUCC, Cut and Mountain Goat for their considerable breakthrough. It is incredible how after ten years, when we thought we were only a couple hundred points from the theoretical maximum, we can actually push the limit by several thousands and open a new array of possibilities.

Second, I want to express my support towards limited secrecy when it comes to new discoveries. Deciding not to reveal the exact combo that allowed for a new record to be reached or even the precise location where this combo takes place is perfectly understandable, as Rayman 3 is not only a game of thumb skills but also requires a constant research of new scoring strategies which if revealed too early would unfairly cause their discoverer to lose their competitive advantage.

However, I believe this secrecy should never go so far as to hide the attained scores in each level, and this for several reasons. First, cheating is unfortunately possible on every platform, and while a sudden score of 999,999 points can doubtlessly be attributed to such behaviour, even a score greater than the generally acknowledged maximum by only a couple hundred points can be suspicious and disclosing the level in which the improvement has been made will greatly reduce the possibilities of cheating. Second, thanks to our wonderful community we can now provide visitors with the largest source of Rayman information ever, RayWiki; while the details of the latest discoveries should be kept secret for the aforementioned reasons, it is our duty as members of the Rayman community to enrich it with the most important information such as the level scores. And third, openness and sharing are key values of this community and all that countless members have received is only thanks to what others have given.

Since I mentioned the wiki, would our top players be so kind as to update the current list of top scores we have?

• The Fairy Council: 4845
• Clearleaf Forest: 109789
• The Bog of Murk: 100899
• The Land of the Livid Dead: 121099
• The Desert of the Knaaren: 109839 (consoles), 109769 (PC)
• The Longest Shortcut: 43200
• The Summit Beyond the Clouds: 112119 (theoretical, highest reached being 111779)
• Hoodlum Headquarters: 109209 (consoles), 109009 (PC)
• The Tower of the Leptys: 104499

Also, I believe DTUCC has a valid point on the increasing importance of platform-related disparities but in order to figure out whether we can and should do anything about it in the Hall of Fame, we need an exhaustive list of these differences in terms of scoring. Anyone feel free to provide them if you believe this matter should be taken into account.

[DTUCC]

I don't have a lot of time right now, so I'm cutting my answer short: I want to thank both Hunchman and (to an extend) Xenon for their understanding towards my position. It's nice to get some support from people in this community. I have come to realise that it wasn't a good ideo to not even reveal my level scores, which is why I ultimately did. I didn't even think about possible cheating and the Wiki to be honest, but the former is indeed another reason I agree with you right now, Hunchman.

As for the maximum scores, those are as follows (as far as I know):

Since I mentioned the wiki, would our top players be so kind as to update the current list of top scores we have?

• The Fairy Council: 48450 -> 48.490 ( (MandM did say he knows where to find another 100-200 points, so he's the one knowing the exact value)
• Clearleaf Forest: 109789
• The Bog of Murk: 100899 -> 101.299 (reached by Cut)
• The Land of the Livid Dead: 121099
• The Desert of the Knaaren: 109839 -> 110459 (consoles) (theoretical, highest reached is 110.309 by me, unless MandM has more), 109769 (PC)
• The Longest Shortcut: 43200
• The Summit Beyond the Clouds: 112119 -> (I never really agreed with that, even though I hadn't calculated it myself, I cant prove otherwise though, so let's settle with that. I believe SBTC is the only level where we will never know for sure.) (theoretical, highest reached being 111779)
• Hoodlum Headquarters: 109209 (consoles), 109009 (PC)
• The Tower of the Leptys: 104499 -> I have not reached the max yet, highest score to date is 113639. I am close to finishing TOTL though and I will update as soon as I got it)

I haven't checked the wiki, but I believe RPC user Roket deserves an honorary mention for the 1500 extra points in LOTLD if that isn't implemented as of now. That is up to you though.

[DTUCC]

TOTL is finally finished. I'm moving on to other levels

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I absolutely have to do something about that ugly total score now. 870k, here I come!

[Xenon]

There's not a lot for me to add, as Hunch's position with regards to secrecy is more or less the same as mine (except his response was far more comprehensive). That said, I must express acknowledgement that it's a long-standing issue between two people, with a lot of history, and therefore any comments made on either side of the argument, by anyone other than yourself or M&M have 'limited' validity. I'm sure Hunch realises this too.

With regards to platform-related disparities, I don't think there's a lot we can do with the HOF if we want to maintain a truly fair system. To change the order of the ranks, or to make suggestions that players should be higher or lower, is effectively giving credit for combos that haven't been achieved, and I don't think it's our place to make that assumption regardless of the player's ability. Most people who are serious about scoring will know the advantages certain consoles have and will be able to make the judgement themselves anyway.

And finally in response to M&M's proposal, I've yet to find sufficient motivation to buy a new R3 CD... but who knows? All this talk about 870k, and the issue of now being #5 on the list could change things a bit! One thing's for sure, I'll always have a passion for scoring in this game

[RibShark]

I want to start trying to get high scores on Rayman 3, but I have no idea where to start. Any tips or useful links for a beginner at Rayman 3 scoring? (I know the game well, just not the scoring mechanics and combo locations).

[Xenon]

The best advice I can give is to simply play through the game again in a way that you feel comfortable. Get to know how to make easy points (secret rooms, Matuvus, powerups) and start to build your own combo sequences. Repeat this replaying process until you feel you need some help, and then perhaps you could take a look through the solutions for inspiration, if you're serious at this stage.

Good luck if you give it a shot!

[Haruka]

My personal recommendation is to start with The Longest Shortcut, since I think it is the easiest place to get a high score or a score improvement.

[DTUCC]

I want to start trying to get high scores on Rayman 3, but I have no idea where to start. Any tips or useful links for a beginner at Rayman 3 scoring? (I know the game well, just not the scoring mechanics and combo locations).

assuming you "know the game well" i obviously can't give you any hints like "go find all the secrets, matuvus and tribelles" first. i would like to advise you to make sure you have found all of those (RayWiki helps here, i believe). the best way to learn combo mechanings in my opinion is by experiencing them. take objects of lesser value before those of great value. try to collect as much as possible with a powerup since that doubles the value of all objects.

those are pretty much the basics. you can obviously take a look at the walkthrough, i would advise you though to try and create your own combos first. starting off with the walkthrough's hard combos can be rather discouraging, so just get out there, be creative and make the most out of it, first of all. you can play by the walkthrough later

[Ray502]

I need to start cranking up on improving my score.

[DTUCC]

I need to start cranking up on improving my score.

you sure do!

god, it does feel nice to see so much activity in this thread

[Haruka]

Other tip I can give, which it isn't quite noticible for many (including myself that I wasn't aware of it until I started to participate in this topic), which is the charged fist. Killing a Hoodlum (the majority of them, though) with a fully charged fist (and making sure the Hoodlum didn't take any damage before) guarantees you extra 30 points (60 when holding a powerup), so make sure you just don't throw a lot of quick fists.

[Ray502]

I need to start cranking up on improving my score.

you sure do!

god, it does feel nice to see so much activity in this thread

Well, all I did was BARELY increase my score on The Fairy Council so I am now in the top 20.

[DTUCC]

that is really good so far! are you trying to improve your score any further?

[Ray502]

that is really good so far! are you trying to improve your score any further?

Yep, trying to improve my 75236 score on The Summit Beyond The Clouds, so far so good right now in the second level.

[RibShark]

So I've worked out how to access the Lums Race codes on the HD version of the game. Shall I post how? The PS3 version, at least, appears on the table as the "Xbox" version.

[Haruka]

It is possible to extract the codes?

[RibShark]

I don't understand what you mean. I've managed to access the screen in the menu that shows you the code for the Lums Race corresponding to the amount of points earned, which you can then successfully enter into the Hall of Fame.

[Master]

Hm, so you can access the Lums Race code screen in the HD versions? But didn't they make a few changes to scoring which meant you could continue to score even over the limit?