Rayman 3 scores

[MandM81]

First of all, do you have a list of GWs that work on all platforms? That would be helpful in discussions about this type of glitch.

As for the specific GW in CF part 1, you can achieve the exact same effect by using two SJs. I don’t see any problems allowing this particular GW into the HoF, but I have a problem allowing GWs in general.

I personally will not use any LMG in HoF for many reasons. But I do like to check them out for reasons of exploring.

And on the topic of exploring, I tried to play with the IPG in CF part 1. It made me wonder if this IPG should be allowed into the HoF. I have several concerns:

1. Look Mode is problematic, Zoom is disabled and so is looking around. Thus the IPG destroys normal gaming strategies around Matuvus.
2. There seems to be ways to get around it, but they also seem to be platform dependent. It doesn’t work on Xbox for example.
3. It seems wrong to me that one can play the exact same combos in CF part 1 and using the IPG one can get a score that is 4.600+ points higher than in the non - IPG game. It devaluates the HoF as a tool for rankings.

On the basis of point 1) and 2) I will suggest the use of IPG in the HoF is restricted to parts where no Matuvus appear, like in TOTL.

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suck my dick

EDIT: oh and if someone cares, CF 121730 and TOTL 116333

[Adsolution]

and don't be a miserable git all your life!

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[rolesfamily]

and don't be a miserable git all your life!

Oh!

Hahah I was waiting for you to see that

[Maz]

suck my dick

I'd rather not. And that's just a personal opinion, but - minors especially - shouldn't be using such foul language just because it's the internet. Calm your horses dude, there's no need to get that offensive.

Concerning the GWs... I believe it was agreed on that every Glitch which is platform-independent isn't much of a problem. If other LMGs are allowed, and those GWs work on every platform, I for one don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. But as MandM stated, you can achieve the same thing with the 2 SJs... Putting the way of triggering aside, how is it any different?

As for the IPG, I have the same problem as MandM of just not getting the Look-Mode working, but I know it's possible on PC (maybe I'm just to stupid to actually understand it). Just to make sure, is there anyone using an Xbox who could verify that it's definitely not possible?

[DTUCC]

i'm preparing for round 2 of a crypt of the necrodancer tournament currently, i'll cut my response to this short:

idk about banning the cf1 ipg - version differences are marked upon in the "platform"-column in the hof - that was agreed on way earlier in this topic. having that column count for a whole slew of version differences but not for others just seems horribly inconsistent.
as for the ways to get around it, i've comboed both matuvus for 2.5k without using the trick to get around it. i'll give you that, it's easier with it, but it's still possible without it, and that has usually been our argument when it comes to allowing the lums glitch into the game.

on a side note, i saw your improvement mandm, very impressive, congrats! which levels did you improve? certainly, a point gain of that magnitude is worth some validation, isn't it?

i really don't see the point in getting all this banning glitches business started again though, let's just play the game and have fun lol

[MandM81]

CC: Version differences are referring to Lums conversions, the number of Hoodflyers, the missing Vortex etc. And that can be found in the column "Platform" in the HoF.

When it comes to glitches, it's another matter. As mentioned earlier, the GW doesn't work in general on all platforms, so we don't use this glitch in the HoF. The PCM doesn't work on all platforms, so we don't use that. I think the TSF has done same, or else you must correct me.

As far as I can see, the IPG Look Mode doesn't work on Xbox (believe me I've tried). So in the same vein as banning the PCM because it doesn't work on GC, if the IPG Look Mode doesn't work on Xbox, it should be banned, but only in parts with Matuvus obviously.

I'm not trying to ban the IPG in general, which I hope you notice, I'm merely pointing out we have an issue about the IPG Look Mode that needs to be solved.

As for CF, have you started playing that level, or are you occupied with the other game entirely? You mentioned Matuvus in 2,5k combos, are you able to take the Matuvu in combo after the Door in CF part 1? And are you able to take the Matuvu in the last combo as well after a Pig for 2,5k combo points?

I have tried and failed miserably with the first Matuvu. While it's easy to take this Matuvu without the IPG it's a whole different story with the IPG activated. On Xbox, when the IPG is on, the Look Mode in default position aims a few degrees higher up than when the IPG is off. That means I have to look quite a bit downwards to see the Matuvu after the Door, and that has been impossible to do, no matter how much I have mashed and worked and repeatedly pressed the buttons. I simply cannot look even a few degrees downwards.

As for validation, you're right, I'll post a screenshot. I didn't use any IPG though

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By now i think your film should have been fully developed

[Adsolution]

That was actually hilarious.

[Cut]

every dog has his day, eh?

[1234]

I guess, i´m quite or even very late, sorry for that, but anyway:
Congratulations for this awesome improvement, MandM. It´s incredible how many points you can get.
Congratulations also to Cut for this huge improvement, that´s very impressive as well.

@rolesfamily: Are you improving your score or did you make a short break? In case you didn´t stop, what are you improving now?

And: Finally i finished CF and after that FC, now MandMs old score (858900 points) isn´t far away any more.

[rolesfamily]

1234: I dedicated a couple of weeks to improving every single level's score. I ended up adding quite a bit onto my score! I haven't gone back to scoring yet, but that doesn't mean I'm finished with Rayman 3 scoring! Just fancied a break

[1234]

I ended up adding quite a bit onto my score!

Yes, i noticed it, that was quite impressive. You nearly doubled your score in a short time.
Anyway, hopefully you´ll continue soon, don´t forget 500k is waiting.

[rolesfamily]

Thanks very much! Appreciated, especially coming from a top scorer!! Yeah 500k is on the horizon!

thanks again

[MandM81]

Congratulations for this awesome improvement, MandM. It´s incredible how many points you can get.

And: Finally i finished CF and after that FC, now MandMs old score (858900 points) isn´t far away any more.

Thanks, and congratulations to you as well. What's your score in CF?

I'm tied up in other matters this autumn, but I'm eager to return in December. I don't know if you have read the above messages concerning the IPG Look Mode issue. I saw an excellent video from you where you seem to be able to make it work effortlessly.

Neither Maz nor I are able to make the IPG Look Mode work in any way, no matter what we do. And Maz even uses PC as platform. I wonder if you have any technical explanations for this difference? It even happens within the same platform apparently.

May I ask, are you able to take the first Matuvu in combo after the Door and some Pigs, like you do on an earlier video, with the IPG active?

Good luck in FC.

[1234]

Thanks, but i finished FC already (otherwise i wouldn´t have 858k points). I guess expressed myself badly (You know, my "great" english)

My scores in FC and CF are:

FC: 45770 points
CF: 115741 points

Unfortunately my CF score is a little bit low, compared to the max. score. The problem was, that i was playing part 1 most of the time without the SJs. But then i tried just for fun the combo with the teleportation glitch and i landed on a score over 15k. Since the score was higher than a score by playing the non-SJ version can be, i decided to save this score at first. Actually i wanted to replay the first part, while practicing some combos in the second part, but then i didn´t feel like it and i continued with the score.
So I guess i´ll have to replay this level soon... But i´m satisfied nevertheless, 115k isn´t bad.

Concerning the IPG Look Mode: I have no idea why there are this differences, sorry.
You said, that it seems, that i can move with the camera (while the IPG is activated) without problems, but appearances are deceiving: Actually i couldn´t make it work effortlessly. The problem is, that you have to hit the look mode button very quickly again and again and with the left hand it´s hard to me to be fast enough. Often i could just move the camera a little bit and then i was hitting the button too slowly and the camera jumped back.
I think that that isn´t the reason, but maybe you didn´t hit the button fast enough?
I´ve tried also recently to hit the look mode button quickly again and again without having the IPG activated and i stayed in look mode. I´m not sure, whether it´s senseful, but maybe you could try this too and see, whether you´ll stay in look mode too or whether you´ll exit it for a short time.
On another note i also don´t know, whether the above (or in the video) described way, the way is, which DTUCC, Cut and MG use.
I´m not sure, what DTUCC meant with this:

HOWEVER if you mash the look mode button while in lookmode, it's somehow possible to be able to look around anyway. it's pretty hard to do and to explain, i guess it's just one of those things you have to experience for your self if you're interested in it.

Does he mean the same way or not

May I ask, are you able to take the first Matuvu in combo after the Door and some Pigs, like you do on an earlier video, with the IPG active?

Until now i didn´t succeed in it, but since i´m not using the IPG, i have tried it only one or two times. I might try it tommorow again though and in case of a success i´ll let you know.

[saerleiya]

Replaying the game once again with RibShark's patch for 1920x1080 R3, oh yeaaah!

Breezing through the game at the moment. I almost managed to get the first matuvu combo in SBTC Part 2, but my fingers failed me and I crashed right befoe the last piggybank after the entire combo. I lost 2k points because of that...meh.
I was also so tired afte having tried it for at least 30 times that I didn't play the rest so well. It was okay, but close to not being an improvement when compared to my previous score.
I also forgot about the loading/cancelling issue for combos, which made 2k points disappear into TBOM. I had beaten my score. Now I have to restart all over again...shieeeet!

Seems my scores are close to being the same as before i stopped trying. We'll see after TOTL. Gotta beat 70k to beat my overall score.

[MandM81]

FC: 45770 points
CF: 115741 points
... i´m satisfied nevertheless, 115k isn´t bad.

It's not bad at all. It's cool.

Until now i didn´t succeed in it, but since i´m not using the IPG, i have tried it only one or two times. I might try it tommorow again though and in case of a success i´ll let you know.

I'm not using any IPG either, but since some players do I'd like to know what effect this glitch has on the scoring.

I will try to work further with your suggestion about repeatedly pressing the button as fast as possible. Thanks for explaining this in detail.

Have you made any progress with the IPG Look Mode?

[1234]

It's not bad at all. It's cool.

Thanks, as i said, i´m happy with this scores, but, at least theoretically, i could still improve over 8k in both levels together (without using an IPG).

Thanks for explaining this in detail.

You´re welcome, although i guess i couldn´t help you really much.

Since you also asked, why i can move with the camera while Maz can´t do this, although we both play on PC: I don´t know it, but could the reason be, that my PC is - probably - older and thus slower than the PC from Maz? My is as far as i know about 8 years old and it has a 2 GHz processor, 1GB RAM and a 32-bit operating system. I don´t know, what´s the average, but i think i´m below. Since the games should be the same, the reason for differences in the game must be differences between our PCs. But i´m not a computer specialist, so i don´t know, whether that could cause this differences. Also, if Cut and MG could move with the camera by pressing repeatedly the look mode button and if my "theory" was right, then their PC should have a similar computer efficiency as mine, what i don´t think.

Have you made any progress with the IPG Look Mode?

Just a little bit. I tried it about five times. I could take the matuvu behind the door after breaking a piggybank in combo, but i did it outside of the whole combo, but it´s definitely possible. I would even say, that, theoretically, you could do such hard combos like the matuvu-combos in FC with the IPG Look Mode. (It would require much practise and also an IPG there though).

[MandM81]

... I don´t know it, but could the reason be, that my PC is - probably - older and thus slower than the PC from Maz? My is as far as i know about 8 years old and it has a 2 GHz processor, 1GB RAM and a 32-bit operating system. I don´t know, what´s the average, but i think i´m below. Since the games should be the same, the reason for differences in the game must be differences between our PCs. But i´m not a computer specialist, so i don´t know, whether that could cause this differences.

Well, it's an interesting idea. I remember Jona, a champion of old, once mentioned that the game changed for him when he bought a new PC. As an example he mentioned that on his old PC he could get the Heckler in combo after the Hoodstormer and two Yellow Gems in HH part 2 room 1. On his new computer this was no longer possible due to it being impossible to land enough semi-charged hits on the Heckler while the Shield was up.

He also mentioned the height of the jumps were different. On one PC he could jump and catch the edge of a not-yet-lowered Mushroom in BOM. On the other PC he couldn't.

Oddly enough, I have the same problem with the Heckler in HH part 2. I have seen on video that this Heckler can be comboed on GC and on certain PCs. I'm not sure how it plays on PS2. Maybe it's just "new" PCs and Xbox it doesn't work for?

I wonder if it's the same mechanism that causes the IPG Look Mode not to work on Xbox and "new" PCs?

I have no idea, but it would be interesting to find out.

As for FC part 1, great job getting the Matuvu with the IPG active. That means IPG players on certain platforms can get the full effect of the Matuvus with a Powerup, thus gaining 4600+ points from the last area alone. Outrageous

What will you play next to pass 860k?