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Probably, I guess.

A lot of people that still hate on the issue are mad because it keeps Nintendo from earning. Nothing wrong with wanting to support a company, but their money is not anyone else's issues. And really, haven't they noticed the cycle yet? Nintendo consoles have had bad starts dating back to the N64, but by the time Christmas hits they soar in popularity. With a likely price drop and a ton of exclusive this year, everybody needs to stop being pathetic.

One of the main reasons Nintendo is losing money over things like this is because they can't seem to be arsed to keep their hardware up to date. This isn't a generic complaint, it's a financial complaint too, as I'm sure Nintendo would gain far, far more third-party support (and in turn, money) if they could let their systems be as powerful as their competitors. Yes, the Wii sold like wildfire, but in the end Nintendo hardly made a profit because of the console's limitations; no one wants to develop for a console with such severe limitations, especially on multiplatform games, they would have to chop the game's polygons in quarters and remake a whole load of it just for it to run on da baby console.

Now that the Wii U is a bit more powerful than the 360 and PS3, game developers can bask in this new glory, as they'll have gained the Nintendo crowd to share their games wth in addition to the other two... but that will only last for a year. Once the PlayStation4 and X720 are released, Nintendo will be left behind yet again.

Adsolution wrote:Now that the Wii U is a bit more powerful than the 360 and PS3, game developers can bask in this new glory, as they'll have gained the Nintendo crowd to share their games wth in addition to the other two... but that will only last for a year. Once the PlayStation4 and X720 are released, Nintendo will be left behind yet again.

It seems often the hardware and capabilities of a new console or portable is often described during an arguement between Nintendo and Microsoft and Playstation... for me it's very different, I just want games, and a good game library. For example the vita is CERTAINLY much stronger then the 3ds- but I like the 3ds game library so much more. The 3ds camera though really is not good :C, but decent for taking a quick snap. Hey if you want to go back further we could discuss those Gameboy camera errors.

Game Boy Camera errors? Colour me interested!

Decidetto wrote:Game Boy Camera errors? Colour me interested!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 4eM#t=122s
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And THAT was what made me scared in my childhood, to think Nintendo games were friendly back then XD

Huuuuu-hhh *shudder*
That wasn't pleasant.

Rayfist wrote:It seems often the hardware and capabilities of a new console or portable is often described during an arguement between Nintendo and Microsoft and Playstation... for me it's very different, I just want games, and a good game library. For example the vita is CERTAINLY much stronger then the 3ds- but I like the 3ds game library so much more. The 3ds camera though really is not good :C, but decent for taking a quick snap. Hey if you want to go back further we could discuss those Gameboy camera errors.

Of course, but you aren't going to get those games if the hardware isn't efficient to develop for. Like I said, no one wants to develop for a console that's fallen behind. It's not a per-person argument, it's the reason why the Wii has such a mediocre library in comparison to the other consoles of its generation.

Adsolution wrote:

Rayfist wrote:It seems often the hardware and capabilities of a new console or portable is often described during an arguement between Nintendo and Microsoft and Playstation... for me it's very different, I just want games, and a good game library. For example the vita is CERTAINLY much stronger then the 3ds- but I like the 3ds game library so much more. The 3ds camera though really is not good :C, but decent for taking a quick snap. Hey if you want to go back further we could discuss those Gameboy camera errors.

Of course, but you aren't going to get those games if the hardware isn't efficient to develop for. Like I said, no one wants to develop for a console that's fallen behind. It's not a per-person argument, it's the reason why the Wii has such a mediocre library in comparison to the other consoles of its generation.

I see your point of view. Still, even if Nintendo's hardware isn't fully up to date, I still enjoy the games they bring out, even if it doesn't have the hardware to pull off incredibly stunning things, they're still really fun at heart, which is why I love the 3ds.

To be honest, it's more fact than point of view. Though yes, while I do enjoy the games that are good for the 3DS and Wii, there could have been so many more good games, and the Wii would have emerged as the shining console of the generation if they'd not crapped out on the hardware, causing not only its technical ability to be behind, but its game library to be rather 'eh.'

I love Nintendo for the games they make; the platform it is on isn't as important to me. The only real problem is with cross-platform games.

EDIT: However, what you are saying about it probably having been better on better hardware is completely true, Adsolution.

Adsolution wrote:One of the main reasons Nintendo is losing money over things like this is because they can't seem to be arsed to keep their hardware up to date. This isn't a generic complaint, it's a financial complaint too, as I'm sure Nintendo would gain far, far more third-party support (and in turn, money) if they could let their systems be as powerful as their competitors. Yes, the Wii sold like wildfire, but in the end Nintendo hardly made a profit because of the console's limitations; no one wants to develop for a console with such severe limitations, especially on multiplatform games, they would have to chop the game's polygons in quarters and remake a whole load of it just for it to run on da baby console.

Now that the Wii U is a bit more powerful than the 360 and PS3, game developers can bask in this new glory, as they'll have gained the Nintendo crowd to share their games wth in addition to the other two... but that will only last for a year. Once the PlayStation4 and X720 are released, Nintendo will be left behind yet again.

This is true. I hope Nintendo tries to change that tendency by competing with the others with powerful hardware but yet innovative. The Wii was revolutionary when it was announced, but the glory couldn't last forever since in graphical terms it can't hold up all the kind of games. I believe this is the reason why the market got pretty much invaded by casual games.

Rayfist wrote:It seems often the hardware and capabilities of a new console or portable is often described during an arguement between Nintendo and Microsoft and Playstation... for me it's very different, I just want games, and a good game library. For example the vita is CERTAINLY much stronger then the 3ds- but I like the 3ds game library so much more. The 3ds camera though really is not good :C, but decent for taking a quick snap. Hey if you want to go back further we could discuss those Gameboy camera errors.

I also like the 3DS for its gaming catalogue for being much more appellative for me and because I like the stereoscope footage (To be honest when I go to the cinema I prefer to see in 3D now, especially if it involves a lot of CGI or action) but the latest reason is much personal. Now I cannot disagree that Vita has got a much better hardware. I tried it out in my local hypermarket shortly after the release, and I liked what Sony did to it. But the thing is, the only game that interests me in there is Rayman Origins, but mostly because it has got exclusive content. I seriously hated PSP when it got released, and don't even talk about PSP GO. I think Sony did a much better job with the Vita.

EDIT: Referring to Adsolution's post. Is it record day again?

I disagree. If Wii launched as, say, 360 with Wii Remotes, then people who actually buyed 360s would probably go for 360s anyway, and people who actually bought Wii would find the thing too costly.

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Haruka wrote:I hope Nintendo tries to change that tendency by competing with the others with powerful hardware but yet innovative.

But this is precisely the point. Innovative hardware costs, because, well, nobody has been manufacturing it. Nintendo - and not only Nintendo, but we're talking about them - undercuts the traditional parts of hardware to make the platform costs reasonable. A "relatively next-gen Wii U" would cost Nintendo as much as it costs already... but without the GamePad price included. So it would be a Wii U for 599 U.S. Dollars. Add some Ridge Racer and expect it to sell.

stan423321 wrote:EDIT: Referring to Adsolution's post. Is it record day again?

I disagree. If Wii launched as, say, 360 with Wii Remotes, then people who actually buyed 360s would probably go for 360s anyway, and people who actually bought Wii would find the thing too costly.

When worded that way, the only difference between the X360 and PS3 is that the left stick is in a bit of a different place. Through your words, that also means that the only difference between the X360 and the Wii besides the controllers is that the Wii has much inferior hardware.

They're completely different systems. They work differently, they run differently, they have completely different operating systems, they have a different community. And of course, there are the exclusives.

stan423321 wrote:But this is precisely the point. Innovative hardware costs, because, well, nobody has been manufacturing it. Nintendo - and not only Nintendo, but we're talking about them - undercuts the traditional parts of hardware to make the platform costs reasonable. A "relatively next-gen Wii U" would cost Nintendo as much as it costs already... but without the GamePad price included. So it would be a Wii U for 599 U.S. Dollars. Add some Ridge Racer and expect it to sell.

If Nintendo were to initially price the console at, say, $350 or $375 instead of $300, that's all they would need to make it as powerful as the PlayStation4 (following the developer unit specs), and that's quite a lot more powerful. Even though the PlayStation4 will probably be priced higher than that, I'm sure Nintendo could easily outsell the PS4 crowd simply because they're Nintendo, and with better hardware, that would draw in a load of people from outside the current Nintendo crowd as well, and on top of that, they would have a hell of a lot more third-party support. Spending that extra bit of money on better hardware would pay off more than one can imagine.

Adsolution wrote: Now that the Wii U is a bit more powerful than the 360 and PS3, game developers can bask in this new glory, as they'll have gained the Nintendo crowd to share their games wth in addition to the other two... but that will only last for a year. Once the PlayStation4 and X720 are released, Nintendo will be left behind yet again.

You have really, really high expectations about next gen, Ad.... Even after all those recent confirmations, including lack of retro compatibility, supposedly forced motion controls and... ehem...



Somehow, the only things that keep me interested in PS4 are the graphics and cloud gaming. Social networks? I don't really care that much, Miiverse came first, and I can draw on it. I'm still looking for a true reason to purchase that console... and come on, we're talking about sony, the thing will probably cost $500 at launch.

Just saying, I'm not being fanboyish here, I'm still going to watch tomorrow's conference, but I really need a good reason to like the other consoles... considering that Microsoft has been taking a "kinect-ish" direction on the last years, and they don't seem to offer anything more than Halo, Gears of War and a bunch of lame Rare games.

You do realise that I'm essentially agreeing with you? I don't know how you read my post, but you completely missed what I was saying... again. Can you stop doing that?

I think the newer generations have some piece of shit ideas, but that doesn't change the fact that because Nintendo is using weak hardware, the other consoles are going to gain a much, much bigger profit and far more third-party support, as well as much more gaming variety because of it.

Funnily, I know the person who made that GIF.

Who made that GIF, Ad?

Adsolution wrote:You do realise that I'm essentially agreeing with you? I don't know how you read my post, but you completely missed what I was saying... again. Can you stop doing that?

Well... you talked about power, I just did my math and guessed where this was going.I didn't actually disagree with you either. I just gave my opinion about next gen. I just thought you were being a little bit too optimistic about the upcoming consoles, just like.. you know... spiraldoor, but it seems I was wrong, so I guess must apologize for that.

Adsolution wrote:I think the newer generations have some piece of shit ideas, but that doesn't change the fact that because Nintendo is using weak hardware, the other consoles are going to gain a much, much bigger profit and far more third-party support, as well as much more gaming variety because of it.

I must confess... I don't really care anymore if a console can make french fries or walk my dogs, I just want games with decent graphics and excellent gameplay. I need something to raise my hopes on the videogame industry again :'c

Nintendo... well, they have enough money to fail during an entire generation and still continue their legacy. When parents buys a videogame console to a child, they will always choose Nintendo because it is the console that they know. Their profit is only matter of popularity. However, I'm looking for more innovation from them without the requirement of more physical gimmicks.

Adsolution wrote:Funnily, I know the person who made that GIF.

He's a genius.

Minor-T5 wrote:Who made that GIF, Ad?

A fucking genius.

Wait? His name is Genuis? Wow, what a very unsual name.

Minor-T5 wrote:Wait? His name is Genuis? Wow, what a very unsual name.

Indeed. It's a russian name, so you may understand...