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Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:48 pm
by Adsolution
He lives in the Netherlands, incognito, the worst that can happen is he'll end up falling into a prickly bush if he crashes his bike.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:21 am
by Imco
Adsolution wrote:He lives in the Netherlands, incognito, the worst that can happen is he'll end up falling into a prickly bush if he crashes his bike.
hehe :mrgreen:

It kind of sucks though, as you might already know, drinking age was 16, then I turned sixteen and was happy, and then they turned it to 18 -_-

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:00 am
by DesLife
DandyGuy wrote:I wonder whats its like being in your 20s?
Best period of my life so far.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:12 am
by saerleiya
DesLife wrote:
DandyGuy wrote:I wonder whats its like being in your 20s?
Best period of my life so far.
This.

I enjoy being in my early 20's way more than my teenage years. I also kept bad memories rather than good ones out of this period (yeah, anyway, if you are a bit asocial while in secondary school/high school, you are not enjoying this period most of the time).

Of course, with age comes bigger problems, bigger questions, meaning of life and stuff, working, cooking your own food, taking care about your clothes, your budget, taxes, rent, and after some time, students advantages are not there anymore (man, my life will SUCK because of that in three months). But I like that: life is more challenging this way, you need to know how to manage your time way better than back when you were an 'innocent' kid (I saw you steal money into your parents' wallets and lie to them many many times...).

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:53 am
by saerleiya
Adsolution wrote:I still lie to my mother all the time, and I probably will for years to come! Though I can't say I've ever taken money.
As you still refering to the childish version of a lie? I also still lie a lot to my parents, but most of the time, I know it's because I don't want them to be worried or to annoy me even more because I'm already feeling guilty about something. You know, a kid lies because he wants to hide stuff anyway so his parents won't blame him.

EDIT : Wait, what? Why is my post before yours? I saw yours before I wrote this one. :confus:

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:53 am
by Adsolution
I still lie to my mother all the time, and I probably will for years to come! Though I can't say I've ever taken money.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:32 am
by incognito
Adsolution wrote:I still lie to my mother all the time, and I probably will for years to come! Though I can't say I've ever taken money.
Well, i can say.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:08 am
by Adsolution
saerleiya wrote:EDIT : Wait, what? Why is my post before yours? I saw yours before I wrote this one. :confus:
fucking clock
saerleiya wrote:As you still refering to the childish version of a lie? I also still lie a lot to my parents, but most of the time, I know it's because I don't want them to be worried or to annoy me even more because I'm already feeling guilty about something. You know, a kid lies because he wants to hide stuff anyway so his parents won't blame him.
Both, really. You can't be honest with unreasonable people.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:29 am
by DandyGuy
Adsolution wrote:
OldClassicGamer wrote:At least, being kid is fun and no worries about important stuff.
When people say this, I usually attribute it to them not remembering their childhood correctly - memories are distorted, you inflate the extremes - when you're feeling nostalgic, you extract the good, and just the good. It's difficult to recall exactly how it was, but in most cases, you weren't necessarily any happier than you are now. No matter what age you were, there were problems to overcome, there were ups and downs, and the only difference is that as you grow, the bigger problems you start to face equate to your bigger brain. Problems that once seemed relevant meaningful turn small and trivial, and problems that were once far too 'big/adult/complex' for you to even care or think about now become relevant and meaningful.
OldClassicGamer wrote:And isn't intelligence something you are born with?
You don't think you've gotten any smarter over the past 20 years?
My child hood is a mystery wrapped inside of a riddle in an enigma. Anyways I agree I always here people reminiscing about the 90s (anybody with an internet connection probably heard something like this.) And has I recall (read) the 90s seemed like a dark ear of history. (Not has dark has the 1900-1940s) And I don't see becoming an adult much different them being a kid or teen. (Unless you decide to Have kids and a family, then its a HUGE difference and you have to take on more responsibility.) (I am well aware of noticeable differences like earning money.) Also everybody gets smarter everyday. (Unless your like some heavy drug user.)
@DesLife How so?

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:41 am
by OCG
@Dandy
Getting smarter and intelligence is something completely different. Despite getting smarter, intelligence is something you can't change. Getting smarter every day means gaining more knowledge and that is true because when we are born, we are "blank slate" how Aristotle said. But intelligence is same when you are 3, 13 or 33, and it does not change. Bottom line, knowledge and intelligence are two different things.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:52 am
by DandyGuy
intelligence sounds like natural instincts. :oops2:
In all seriousness I get what what your saying. Its just seems knowledge is learned almost every second and intelligence every year.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:45 pm
by DesLife
OldClassicGamer wrote:@Dandy
Getting smarter and intelligence is something completely different. Despite getting smarter, intelligence is something you can't change. Getting smarter every day means gaining more knowledge and that is true because when we are born, we are "blank slate" how Aristotle said. But intelligence is same when you are 3, 13 or 33, and it does not change. Bottom line, knowledge and intelligence are two different things.
WTF is this utter BULLSHIT ? Define "intelligence" please, cause you don't seem to know what that is. Also, quoting a philosopher doesn't make your message less dumb.

Here's the first definition I found (other definitions might be slightly different, but most of them revolve around the same basic ideas) :
Mainstream Science on Intelligence (1994) wrote:A very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings—"catching on," "making sense" of things, or "figuring out" what to do.
If you think none of those change as you grow up... I can't do anything for you.
DandyGuy wrote:@DesLife How so?
Well, for starters, I don't live with my parents anymore : got a place of my own. As a student (and soon as an engineer), I get to hang with people with interests very similar to mine. I actually work on interesting things, I have tons of side projects, I learn a lot, I party a lot... I enjoy myself much more than ever before.
And yeah, there's all those responsibilities that start coming up, but it's not that big of a deal.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:07 pm
by OCG
I know the definition of intelligence and the one you wrote is true but thanks to other things that develop, you can do things that you couldn't when you were child. Intelligence stays the same your whole life. But as you mature, you are capable of doing more things because you learned more. Take IQ test taking for example. Result will always be the same but the child and adult won't of course get same test. If one person takes test as a child and later as adult, of course he will get different questions that are for his age but IQ number is same. Also, Darwin said: “there is no fundamental difference between man and the higher mammals in their mental faculties”
Animals are another proof. Some animals are more intelligent than humans but they don't have knowledge we do.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:42 pm
by Adsolution
I think OCG is correct (though not describing it very well), as "intelligence" refers to the ability to acquire skills and knowledge. In most cases, if you take an IQ (intelligence quotient) test, you'll likely receive a similar result no matter if you're fourteen or forty. The term is used as a point of reference, and "intelligent" refers to those who are above average intelligence, and that your ability to acquire skills and knowledge at a particular age or situation will always be greater than someone less intelligent.
OldClassicGamer wrote:Animals are another proof. Some animals are more intelligent than humans but they don't have knowledge we do.
This is just wrong however. In a more technical sense, intelligence very heavily relates to relative cranial capacity, and no animal has nearly as large a cranial capacity relative to their size as we do.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:47 pm
by saerleiya
Adsolution wrote:This is just wrong however. In a more technical sense, intelligence very heavily relates to relative cranial capacity, and no animal has nearly as large a cranial capacity relative to their size as we do.
i remember the time when you wanted to have a Neanderthal brain because it was bigger than ours are nowdays. :3

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:51 pm
by Adsolution
Lol. Unfortunately, I gather that their brains, while bigger, were more likely more geared toward practicality rather than abstract thought, which is why we won.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:53 pm
by saerleiya
Adsolution wrote:Lol. Unfortunately, I gather that their brains, while bigger, were more likely more geared toward practicality rather than abstract thought, which is why we won.
Did we really need to ba able to think abstractly to win? Practicality includes building stuff to beat your opponent, no? :?

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:56 pm
by Adsolution
Were they creative enough to think up the bow and arrow? I think not! Some of history's greatest wars were won using the most obscure tactics.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:17 pm
by saerleiya
Yeah, one day I will write a story about a guy who won a war because he made his opponent believe that chess was sacred and he beated him at it.

Re: Birthdays and ages

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:34 pm
by technology4617
OldClassicGamer wrote:Bottom line, knowledge and intelligence are two different things.
Ergo, brain development doesn't exist.