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Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 3:40 am
by Dart
Master wrote:Caddicarus discussed the second Space Mama battle in his recent "Worst Bosses" video, my memory of Rayman 1 is rather rusty, but I do recall getting stomped on by Space Mama last time I played.
Picture City in general was that way I feel, like it was just some random spike in difficulty due to a lack of playtesting

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:32 am
by raymandesigner
Unknown Band Land Screen Shot What Version Rayman Tileset ? I wonder

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Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:11 pm
by NyaNyaLily
Master wrote:Caddicarus discussed the second Space Mama battle in his recent "Worst Bosses" video, my memory of Rayman 1 is rather rusty, but I do recall getting stomped on by Space Mama last time I played.
I have to say, Caddicarus pretty summed up why this whole bossfight was a pain in the ass for me. Although the one difference for me was that I always died at running section
Because I didn't know that you had to duck in order to not get hit by Space Mama's feet which come out of nowhere. And then I got stuck on this boss for like 3 years.

Yay.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:01 pm
by Adsolution
That's kind of what I don't understand though, if there's something scanning horizontally across the screen at head-height, why would you not duck :?: like are you retarded :?:

Also, you don't have to be nearly as precise as he's making it out to be in the crawling pots section. You can see in his first take he actually overshot it and he had to slow down.

Also, no, you don't have to hit the knob on the washing machine, you just have to hit the washing machine.

I will give him that the head is annoyingly precise to hit and that the double-shot thing at the end is a total surprise (which can result in many a death, fair enough), but other than that, the boss is the literal opposite of random. Most of the other shit he's complaining about is very normal video game stuff, such as her shooting at three different heights during the washing machine section, which you also have probably around a second of look-ahead time between when the roller's moved into position and when you have to jump/duck to avoid it.

I get the feeling he really likes to dramaticise his Rayman 1 experience. It looked like he was purposely bullshitting some of the video to make it look more unfair than it actually is to pander to the people who have PTSD from a considerably difficult bossfight.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:11 pm
by nr0r
To be honest, I always thought Rayman 1 was a really nice and intricate game. It's great to look at and fun to play. The difficulty spike is due in part to it not being playtested making this game better suited for people who like being challenged, not so much casual scene.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:31 pm
by schmudde
The Wiki for "Mr. Stone's Peaks" is incomplete for the Jaguar version; the map is missing a cage for the Jaguar version (because the Jaguar version is missing the rope level).

I'm having trouble signing up for the Wiki and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to update/add maps even if I logged in. How should I solve this?

URL to the level in question: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Mr_Stone%27s_Peaks

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:47 pm
by Fifo
schmudde wrote:I'm having trouble signing up for the Wiki and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to update/add maps even if I logged in. How should I solve this?
You don’t need to sign up on the wiki separately. Use your forum account to log in.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 8:49 pm
by RayCarrot
schmudde wrote:The Wiki for "Mr. Stone's Peaks" is incomplete for the Jaguar version; the map is missing a cage for the Jaguar version (because the Jaguar version is missing the rope level).

I'm having trouble signing up for the Wiki and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to update/add maps even if I logged in. How should I solve this?

URL to the level in question: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Mr_Stone%27s_Peaks
There were never any Jaguar maps released, which is why there's none for this level. You can instead edit the wiki (without logging in if you want to) and write about the new cage placement.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:42 pm
by Shrooblord
Dart wrote:
Master wrote:Caddicarus discussed the second Space Mama battle in his recent "Worst Bosses" video, my memory of Rayman 1 is rather rusty, but I do recall getting stomped on by Space Mama last time I played.
Picture City in general was that way I feel, like it was just some random spike in difficulty due to a lack of playtesting
I like how menacingly hard Picture City is. It's brutal, and it's made me very frustrated at times, but all the more satisfied with myself when I finally beat it. That's good game design in my eyes, not "a lack of playtesting" as you put it.

However, what I don't understand exactly is why Picture City (at least, to me) seems so much harder than the rest of the levels that follow ('cept you, Eat at Joe's Fish Sequence FUCK). It would've made more sense in my view that levels got progressively harder, but I do perceive – like you – more of a "spike" than a linearly (or otherwise) increasing trend.
This to me is a little odd. I'll grant you that.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:56 pm
by NyaNyaLily
Adsolution wrote:That's kind of what I don't understand though, if there's something scanning horizontally across the screen at head-height, why would you not duck :?: like are you retarded :?:
https://youtu.be/DUaDsmdUQ1I?t=1m24s

Now tell me Ad, does Space Mama scroll towards you in this part or does she pop up out of nowhere?

Don't get me wrong, I still like Rayman 1. It's the first game I've ever played. Heck, I even played through it again a few months ago. It's just Space Mama that I have really,
-> REALLY <- bad memories with because that damn boss took me ~2 years to beat, because I was too dumb to duck. I can beat her without getting hit now, but fuck man...

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:17 am
by Adsolution
CHRdutch wrote:Now tell me Ad, does Space Mama scroll towards you in this part or does she pop up out of nowhere?
well it's a pattern so....... it's still kind of predictable?

Regardless, that's a perfect example of something where, if you get hit the very first time you do it because you're too dumb to duck, you should never get hit there again.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:10 pm
by Dart
Shrooblord wrote:
Dart wrote:
Master wrote:Caddicarus discussed the second Space Mama battle in his recent "Worst Bosses" video, my memory of Rayman 1 is rather rusty, but I do recall getting stomped on by Space Mama last time I played.
Picture City in general was that way I feel, like it was just some random spike in difficulty due to a lack of playtesting
I like how menacingly hard Picture City is. It's brutal, and it's made me very frustrated at times, but all the more satisfied with myself when I finally beat it. That's good game design in my eyes, not "a lack of playtesting" as you put it.
Fair enough I suppose
Shrooblord wrote: However, what I don't understand exactly is why Picture City (at least, to me) seems so much harder than the rest of the levels that follow ('cept you, Eat at Joe's Fish Sequence FUCK).
Yeah that sequence is annoying as fuck, though if I recall Humch thought otherwise! :P

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:06 pm
by NyaNyaLily
I have to post this unnecessary short part of a video.

https://youtu.be/tcwgX7gQPf0?t=4m8s

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:22 pm
by Master
Huh, I just watched that.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:26 am
by ian2017p
WTF MLG RAYMAN!

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:24 pm
by superrayman3
Adsolution wrote:60 hertz/NTSC was the intended speed. Look at the in-game timers and any of the promotional material.
That may be the case with the Disc based versions but I'm not entirely sure that's the case for the Jaguar version, yesterday I was watching the Jaguar opening sequence (the part where Rayman pieces himself together) in both PAL and NTSC modes to see how the sequence differs because of the timing difference and I noticed that in PAL mode the Rayman logo drops onto the screen with the SFX just as the opening theme is about to loop which artistically speaking actually makes alot more sense whereas in NTSC mode the logo and SFX appear way too soon in the song.

PAL Speed (And before you point it out I am fully aware this video was recorded from an emulator with buggy sound, unfortunately I haven't been able to find any recordings from an actual PAL Jaguar system as of this time so I had to make due with the only PAL Jaguar intro video I could find):
NTSC Speed:

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:02 am
by Tunderous
I always found Rayman 1 for the PS1, the hardest game in history. Without cheats! Of course.
I got to Eat At Joe's, and never beat it, because of that stupid fish. You know, the balloon part. I thought it was unbeatable. Who agrees?

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:36 am
by superrayman3
Tunderous wrote:I always found Rayman 1 for the PS1, the hardest game in history. Without cheats! Of course.
I got to Eat At Joe's, and never beat it, because of that stupid fish. You know, the balloon part. I thought it was unbeatable. Who agrees?
That part is really hard no doubt about that but it is beatable, if you still have trouble on that stage you can crouch on the balloons and the fish will always jump over you.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:42 am
by Tunderous
[/quote]That part is really hard no doubt about that but it is beatable, if you still have trouble on that stage you can crouch on the balloons and the fish will always jump over you.[/quote]
superrayman3 wrote:
Tunderous wrote:I always found Rayman 1 for the PS1, the hardest game in history. Without cheats! Of course.
I got to Eat At Joe's, and never beat it, because of that stupid fish. You know, the balloon part. I thought it was unbeatable. Who agrees?
That part is really hard no doubt about that but it is beatable, if you still have trouble on that stage you can crouch on the balloons and the fish will always jump over you.
Ohhh... Thank you. I always thought you could jump over IT.

Re: Rayman 1

Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:56 am
by PluMGMK
We had a discussion about this before and I think we came to the conclusion that it's not quite that simple.