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Re: Emulation

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:59 pm
by Master
Well, it could have just been a rather plain and lacklustre SNES title, for all we know.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:10 pm
by technology4617
Master wrote:Well, it could have just been a rather plain and lacklustre SNES title, for all we know.
Perhaps, but it seems to me that the SNES version would probably be about the same in quality as the Jaguar version.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:08 pm
by Master
Hm, when I've looked at it, I've always thought it looked a little...generic in a way, compare the final Skops to the one in the ol' screenshots, for instance.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:32 pm
by Haruka
Cairnie wrote:Whenever I've played with a real Jaguar at Eurogamer expo (though they mostly choose either Wolfenstein or Tempest 2000 to play with) I didn't exactly think much of the controls so I hate to imagine what playing Rayman is like on it.
I had a real Jaguar controller in my hands when I went to GAME ON at Lisbon's Museu da Arte Popular and I tried to imagine how it feels like playing Rayman 1 on it. It felt like holding a huge brick, except it is made of plastic.
OldClassicGamer wrote:I think bad controlls are not emulator issue but the way Jaguar version works
You're right. The collision detection is the worst of all the R1s I've played.
technology4617 wrote: There are actually a lot of sound bugs in the emulator, which are also shown in the playthrough you recorded.
Oh that's most likely to be the only minor problem of the emulation, otherwise I don't remember anything else.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:38 pm
by OCG
Haruka wrote:I had a real Jaguar controller in my hands when I went to GAME ON at Lisbon's Museu da Arte Popular and I tried to imagine how it feels like playing Rayman 1 on it. It felt like holding a huge brick, except it is made of plastic.
The whole keypad was really not needed. Also look at this:

Regular controller
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Pro controller
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How about controller without keypad Atari? I guess not. I wonder if some other controllers would work on Jaguar like Sega Genesis controller.
It worked on older Atari consoles.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:23 pm
by technology4617
Haruka wrote:I had a real Jaguar controller in my hands when I went to GAME ON at Lisbon's Museu da Arte Popular and I tried to imagine how it feels like playing Rayman 1 on it. It felt like holding a huge brick, except it is made of plastic.
Good way of putting it.:P
OldClassicGamer wrote:The whole keypad was really not needed. Also look at this:
Regular controller
Pro controller
Both look like poorly designed Genesis pad ripoffs. With keypads.
OldClassicGamer wrote:How about controller without keypad Atari? I guess not. I wonder if some other controllers would work on Jaguar like Sega Genesis controller.
It worked on older Atari consoles.
Well, this is Atari we're talking about. And the Genesis controller is probably not compatible, due to their brilliant exclusive controller.

Also, it seems Atari tried to follow in the muddy footprints of Sega by providing its own tumors to the console.
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I think I'll "do the math" and avoid this piece of shit.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:41 pm
by OCG
This is interesting:

Re: Emulation

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:49 pm
by Reese Riverson
OldClassicGamer wrote:
The whole keypad was really not needed. Also look at this:

Regular controller
Image

Pro controller
Image

How about controller without keypad Atari? I guess not. I wonder if some other controllers would work on Jaguar like Sega Genesis controller.
It worked on older Atari consoles.
Hmm, I'm wanting one of those pro controllers for my Jaguar, now. :)

Re: Emulation

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:03 pm
by Haruka
The only difference aside from the slightly different design pattern that I see, is the inclusion of three extra buttons. Was it worthy knowing how many buttons it had already?

Re: Emulation

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:06 pm
by OCG
D-Pad also looks a bit bigger.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:13 pm
by Reese Riverson
Where there many games that took advantage of the extra buttons?

Re: Emulation

Posted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:08 pm
by technology4617
OldClassicGamer wrote:D-Pad also looks a bit bigger.
A big disc?

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:16 am
by Snagglebee
Guys finally! I made it! I fixed the Rayman 1 Beta rom for the Jaguar. The issue was: it should be loaded as an alpine rom but they were like 8k too much. So I cutted that out and zeroed the last lines. And voilà I can play it finally under Virtual Jaguar! :D
(yes that one with the 'pow' above)

I am going to upload it when I move back home and have highspeed internet connection again.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:17 am
by OCG
YES!!!
You are a god of patching. That will come great as a bonus for my Jaguar Let's Play. Thank you soooo much :D
When are you moving back home?

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:44 am
by Snagglebee
OldClassicGamer wrote:YES!!!
That was my reaction too when it booted up finally :D
OldClassicGamer wrote:You are a god of patching.
I heared that already somewhere else, but thanks.
OldClassicGamer wrote:That will come great as a bonus for my Jaguar Let's Play. Thank you soooo much :D
You are going to do it? Nice! What recorder will you use since Bandicam somehow does the gameplay slower.
OldClassicGamer wrote:When are you moving back home?
Now.
https://mega.co.nz/#!DAIBmJyL!CGwYewFtt ... pw8Of3pvDY
Just put the zip file to your Software folder. You don't have to extract it ;)
It would be nice if a mod can put the link to the first post, thanks!

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:56 am
by OCG
It works! Although, I cannot fight Bzzit. Is there any way to progess after him?
I will probably use PlayClaw or DXTory to record. Thanks again.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:59 am
by Snagglebee
OldClassicGamer wrote:I cannot fight Bzzit. Is there any way to progess after him?
No you can't and no there is nothing more left/developed?. Remember this one is made in 1993 and just a prototype. I remember there was a very old video on youtube presenting this proto and he couldn't fight bzzit as well.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:10 pm
by OCG
Alright. Ah well, it's still cool, and Rayman's scrapped move is interesting too.

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:17 pm
by Snagglebee
OldClassicGamer wrote:Alright. Ah well, it's still cool, and Rayman's scrapped move is interesting too.
Press down and wait until he crouches and walk infront of an enemy and get hit. Stand still and watch what happens ;P

Re: Emulation

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:46 pm
by OCG
He finally went nuts :lol:
Interesting glitch.