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Re: God...
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:54 pm
by spiraldoor
Xenon wrote:Here are some self-devised ones:
- Gives some incentive not to commit crime, thus not 'sin'
- Religion provides charities
- Pre-Raphaelite artwork and poems dedicated to Christianity
- Gives some people a meaning to life
- Allows social and spiritual relationships to develop within church congregations
- Reforms people
- It's interesting controversy to argue and debate
With the loss of religion comes the loss of all these benefits embedded in it...
- Anyone can be charitable. Religion has nothing to do with it. Are you suggesting that atheists are not charitable?
- How would the removal of religion in modern society affect pre-Raphaelite art?
- I feel comfortable with my belief that life is meaningless and developed naturally, with no pre-ordained purpose. I don't see how a belief that life was artificially created would help me in any way.
- Social relationships can develop anywhere, and spiritual relationships don't exist.
- People can be reformed in many ways. Some of which don't require delusional beliefs.
- I'll give you that one...
Re: God...
Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:44 pm
by Xenon
Anyone can be charitable. Religion has nothing to do with it. Are you suggesting that atheists are not charitable?
I am not suggesting that, but Christian charities have raised thousands of millions of pounds to support Third World countries, and will continue to do so. Christian Aid, for example, an ongoing fund that makes thousands each year by means of donations from Christians, in churches.
How would the removal of religion in modern society affect pre-Raphaelite art?
You're right, it wouldn't. But without religion it would never have existed in the first place.
I feel comfortable with my belief that life is meaningless and developed naturally, with no pre-ordained purpose. I don't see how a belief that life was artificially created would help me in any way.
I applaud your opinion, but unfortunately that is all it is. An opinion. I have spoken to several religious people who feel that the presence of God inside them enhances their livelihoods as people. You can't speak out of tongue going on personal interpretation. Get some perspective.
Social relationships can develop anywhere, and spiritual relationships don't exist.
They can indeed, but those that exist within church communities are the ones I am referring to specifically. As for spiritual relationships - again, your view is totally opinionated, many people do feel they have a spiritual bond with Jesus and/or God.
People can be reformed in many ways. Some of which don't require delusional beliefs.
Some of which don't, no. But the minority that do is the group I'm talking about... the majority are out of the equation.
Re: God...
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:21 pm
by Slayer X
your view is totally opinionated, many people do feel they have a spiritual bond with Jesus and/or God.
The key word here is 'feel'.
They quite obviously don't, because Jesus is dead and God is imaginary. These people are deluded.
Re: God...
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:33 pm
by Joshua822
The key word here is 'feel'.
They quite obviously don't, because Jesus is dead and God is imaginary. These people are deluded.
Who are you to say that people can't feel the presence of somebody if you think their imaginary. If someone would tell me my dog died and acted it very well, i would still feel very sad, although it may be a lie.
Re: God...
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:42 pm
by Tobbe
Please make sense.
Re: God...
Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:22 pm
by Xenon
The key word here is 'feel'.
They quite obviously don't, because Jesus is dead and God is imaginary. These people are deluded.
How is that relevant? Unfortunately your view doesn't reflect that of religious people, so you've just provided the case with a duff argument.
Re: God...
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:09 am
by Joshua822
Please make sense.
My post makes sense. Whether it'sif your dog died, or it is that God exists, if you think it's true you can feel it.
Re: God...
Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:29 pm
by Tobbe
Thanks to the atrocious English, the post didn't make much sense, I'm afraid.
Re: God...
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:38 pm
by Tobbe
Disappointing activity in this thread lately. I expect this is due to the fact that you Christians are busy celebrating the death of Jesus. An odd tradition imo.
Anyway, just to get a discussion started, I ask this question: How do you guys feel about Young Earth Creationists?
Re: God...
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:45 pm
by spiraldoor
They think we're all inbred.
Let them speak for themselves, I say.
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:15 am
by Holy Crap
Tobbe wrote:Disappointing activity in this thread lately. I expect this is due to the fact that you Christians are busy celebrating the death of Jesus. An odd tradition imo.
Anyway, just to get a discussion started, I ask this question: How do you guys feel about Young Earth Creationists?
I'm not christians but that doesn't mean I can't soak up the benefites of their celebrations.
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:44 am
by Joshua822
I think that it's true. i mean, every species need to start with a male and a female.
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:18 am
by MLII
Tobbe wrote:
Anyway, just to get a discussion started, I ask this question: How do you guys feel about Young Earth Creationists?
Uhm...never heard of it TBH. <waits patiently to be called dumb AGAIN>
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:51 am
by Zay-el
Tobbe wrote:Disappointing activity in this thread lately. I expect this is due to the fact that you Christians are busy celebrating the death of Jesus. An odd tradition imo.
Celebrating death = odd
Celebrating rebirth = not so odd
Celebrating the fact that he'd give the ultimate sacrifice, thus giving humanity a chance to have a happy afterlife, if they deserved it = somewhat commendable even.
Remember, Easter's biggest focus is not the death itself, but the fact the Jesus was reborn. X3 In Hungary, it's clearly named 'Feltámadás napja' (day of rebirth), for instance.
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:11 pm
by Cairnie
most of us only care about the egg shaped chocolates
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:14 pm
by Zay-el
StaceyW wrote:most of us only care about the egg shaped chocolates
I second that! XD
Especially since we have a custom here in Hungary, that on Easter Monday, we go around and sprikle girls with cold water/soda/perfume, and get eggs and stuff in return.
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:58 pm
by MLII
Zay-el wrote:StaceyW wrote:most of us only care about the egg shaped chocolates
I second that! XD
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:06 pm
by Xenon
People shouldn't confuse Easter with Good Friday.
Good Friday was the day in which Jesus was crucified.
Easter is the celebration of Jesus' Resurrection.
The two aren't really connected at all, aside the fact the dates are very close together. Anyway... happy Easter!
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:09 pm
by MLII
ThAnK yOu.
Re: God...
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:33 pm
by Tobbe
Joshua822 wrote:I think that it's true. i mean, every species need to start with a male and a female.
You really believe that the Earth is 6000 years old?! Are you out of your mind?!