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RayCarrot wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:27 pm

Ah yes, the infamous ring that can be reached without running in some versions but not others!

RayCarrot wrote: Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:27 pm Another part which shows it's more similar to PS1 (check the tings):

PC 1.00:
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PC 1.21:
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PS1:
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Ah come on, how the hell are you supposed to know where to go in that PC 1.00 one?
Actually, it's quite strange really. I'd assumed the Tings pointing down were to assure you that there was nothing of interest to the right if you were playing the PS version (in case you'd played the PC version too), but the fact that they were originally in the PC version too makes them feel almost like a deliberate misdirection. Kinda like the arrow that directs you into the non-1000th-Lum exit of Tomb of the Ancients part 1.

I always found that flying ring placement strange. It's in the awkward position on PS1, and on the PAL Saturn version, but it has the easy placement on the NTSC Saturn versions. The Jaguar also has the easy placement, and any of them that have the easier placement don't even require running to reach them. Interestingly it's actually way easier than trying to run and reach the one in the more awkward position.

That ring is super anoying

On ps1

I think gba and dsi made it easyer to reach

It's easy on:
PC (1.10 and later), GBA, DSi, Jaguar (Jaguar has no cloud though and the ring is a few pixels further away)

and hard on:
PC (1.00), Saturn, PS1

Saturn NTSC does have the ring a few pixels closer, but it's nowhere near as close as in the easier versions.

RayCarrot wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:31 am It's easy on:
PC (1.10 and later), GBA, DSi, Jaguar (Jaguar has no cloud though and the ring is a few pixels further away)

and hard on:
PC (1.00), Saturn, PS1

Saturn NTSC does have the ring a few pixels closer, but it's nowhere near as close as in the easier versions.

But are both reachable without running? Or only the "easy" versions?

No idea, I haven't tested. I assume only the easy one would work without running based on the distance.

It's challenging, but you can reach it with a careful jump, helicopter and speed-fist, on the "easy" ones. Running's required on the hard ones, of that I'm almost certain.

Unless its pixel perfect without running its impossible

I tried for hours once and it just didnt work

Even with running it took me like 5 minutes

You definitely need to run for the one in the harder position, and even then it takes really good timing. On PC and Jaguar you can just jump from the left edge of the lower platform and reach it without running. It's actually extremely easy on Jaguar also.

It's just weird that the NTSC Saturn version has the easier placement while PAL has the harder one. I did hear that the PAL PS1 game was a later revision than the NTSC one, but it's clear it was the same with Saturn. It's also clear that the NTSC PS1 version is a later revision than the NTSC Saturn one.

Wouldnt rayman 1 be the first version on PAL since its french

StelzenBomber wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:14 pm Wouldnt rayman 1 be the first version on PAL since its french

Surprisingly, no. Aside from Jaguar (which uses a completely different engine), the earliest version was found in the Japanese DemoDemo Vol. 3 disc for the PS1. The earliest non-Jaguar retail release was the Japanese PS1 version. In fact, of all the PS1 versions, the PAL one was the last one to be finished.

I did not ecpect that

That is quite interesting

Makes sense I guess, since the PlayStation version was really the headline version, and Japan is of course the PlayStation's native country…

The one thing I don't understand about the PS1 version though is the fact that they stretched the background for the Mr. Dark battle. I feel like PAL saturn had the best background here since the two moons are even visible in that version.

Also that ring placement in the image above is in an even easier position than the versions I've played, it seems even further to the left.

Yea the saturn bg is a lot nicer ngl

Is the ps1 bg just zoomed in or is it actualy like that normaly?like is it the same in the data

PC: Jaguar: PS1 (PAL): PS1 (NTSC): Saturn (PAL):

i see

what about saturn NTSC? is it the same?

You can see that the PS1 PAL background is zoomed in, but this doesn't make for good scaling at such a low resolution, meaning it would be a little blurred. Saturn NTSC doesn't have the second moon, and some of the image is cropped from the top since it's 320x240 (NTSC) vs 320x256 (PAL). You can see enough of the image on NTSC Saturn to know that it varies slightly and the second moon isn't present.

Saturn NTSC is cropped, yeah. I can't find this at all in the prototype actually, I guess it didn't shatter the glas there?

Steo wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:37 pm You can see that the PS1 PAL background is zoomed in, but this doesn't make for good scaling at such a low resolution, meaning it would be a little blurred. Saturn NTSC doesn't have the second moon, and some of the image is cropped from the top since it's 320x240 (NTSC) vs 320x256 (PAL). You can see enough of the image on NTSC Saturn to know that it varies slightly and the second moon isn't present.

Im guessing it being blurry wouldnt be visable on a CRT, i sure didnt notice

RayCarrot wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:38 pm Saturn NTSC is cropped, yeah.

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I can't find this at all in the prototype actually, I guess it didn't shatter the glas there?

thank you!