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Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:59 pm
by Bionichute
If I could, I'd love to sit down next to Michel Ancel and play Rayman 3 with him, just to ask him questions on what he'd do different with the game.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:09 pm
by Rulez
sergiomonty wrote:
I think "Murphy" is a pretty weak attempt to turn the Rayman universe into a saturday sitcom. He's an attempt to turn an innocent and beautiful world into a cheap comedy show for adults. His lines are fun?... Sure, but...only the first 3 times you hear them. When you keep replaying and replaying just to earn the best score, you can see the problem with him: He gets old pretty fast, and in my opinion, he becomes probably one of the most annoying characters in the Rayman universe.
There is a reason they only had him for one world. And obviously if you repeat a world it'll become repetitive soon, and so will the characters, the lines etc.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:14 pm
by spiraldoor
sergiomonty wrote:I think "Murphy" is a pretty weak attempt to turn the Rayman universe into a saturday sitcom. He's an attempt to turn an innocent and beautiful world into a cheap comedy show for adults. His lines are fun?... Sure, but...only the first 3 times you hear them. When you keep replaying and replaying just to earn the best score, you can see the problem with him: He gets old pretty fast, and in my opinion, he becomes probably one of the most annoying characters in the Rayman universe.
I love fourth wall jokes, but when it comes to Rayman's strange and unique world, it feels awkward, and even more when a character like Murfy keeps reminding you, in a very sarcastic way, over and over, that you're just a guy in a couch playing a videogame... and not the hero of the Glade.
When Ancel said he would have made Rayman 3 very different, I think Murfy forms part of all of the problems that he found in the game. Now that I see his current vision of the character, I see that he actually tried to create what today is an innocent, enthusiastic and helpful friend for Rayman... not an asshole who talks to a manual.
These are problems with Rayman 3 on a broader scale. Regardless of our thoughts on the overall direction of the game, its use of Murfy was perfect for what it was trying to achieve. I would argue that he's the only character they used well. Most of the characters were miscast, grating and unlikeable, and Rayman himself was bland and boring. Rayman 3's Murfy is our only real glimpse of what this jarring, post-modern, Ancel-free take on Rayman could have been if its execution had been better.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:38 pm
by Haruka
^ This.
Something I dislike in Rayman 3 was what they have done to Globox. We used to know the character as a coward but kind-hearted and loyal friend of Rayman, not a brainless sidekick that is treated like an idiot in the course of the game (Don't get me started with the change of the voice actor in the English version). Rayman, I found him too cocky. I actually picture Rayman to be a little self-pretentious but not in the scale that R3 showed. I also don't think is quite himself saying what he said about Globox in the Fairy Council ("Knowing how scarecady he is, he's probably hiding in some place."). André, he's a villain that doesn't shut up in almost the entire game and can really bug you with his sarcasm. Better than Mr. Dark and Razorbeard? I don't think so. Murfy was the only character that I found his personality genuine in Rayman 3. Lets admit you didn't avoid a smile the first time you played the Fairy Council.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:40 pm
by GNineify
Well, I gotta give it to André that he was all the time inside Globox's stomach, so of course he must've felt pretty shitty there. It's obvious he would become an obnoxious cunt in no time.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:42 pm
by Haruka
Even out of Globox's body, he wasn't shutting up in the Hoodlum Headquarters and in the Tower of the Leptys, so I don't think it would change much.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:44 pm
by OCG
Andre is absolutely my least favourite Rayman villain. Mr. Dark and Razorbeard were much better
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:45 pm
by spiraldoor
"Looks like someone's been eating paint chips again..." is such an affectionate reference to the previous games. Rayman 3 had its heart in the right place. Remember 2D Nightmare?
"Rayman, you truly are the best." Yeah, they're trying to subvert the characteristics of the genre, but it's also completely true in the context of the story. The atmosphere is strong enough to withstand the subversion and hold it all together. There's a great balance in the Fairy Council that's all but discarded when we leave it. Murfy is the key to what Rayman 3 should be.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:52 pm
by Haruka
Paint chips... Isn't this a reference to Picture City? I can't think in other thing. Unless he's talking about the colourful landscapes from the Valley.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:58 pm
by spiraldoor
It's a drugs reference. He's implying the developers get high on paint chips (not sure if that would actually work, but whatever) to get inspiration for the Rayman games, and that they've done this before. Not a direct reference to Picture City but to the surreality of the series in general.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:04 am
by Haruka
Ah it gets more clear. Not being English native makes me slower to catch these conotations, but I thank your explanation, it definitely makes more sense now.
Well, it is true that surrealist artists had all the kind of ways to get inspired for their artworks: drugs, not sleeping, painting while starving, etc.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:07 am
by OCG
spiraldoor wrote:It's a drugs reference.
Honestly I never thought about it on that way.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:18 am
by Rulez
Huh, when is the line uttered? Pardon but I barely remember the English version, unfortunately the Polish stuck with me much more.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:25 am
by Bionichute
Rulez wrote:Huh, when is the line uttered? Pardon but I barely remember the English version, unfortunately the Polish stuck with me much more.
When Murfy tells you that you can use your hair as a helicopter.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:29 am
by Master
Quite so, though I must say, I got the "high" bit, but never interpreted in that way, Spiral, I thought it was just a general jab, really.
Anyways, I think it's been said to death that some of the dialogue in the game really killed some of its grander moments, though, like Spiral said, it seems in the Fairy Council they found a balance between dialogue and atmosphere, but discontinued it once Murfy was dropped.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:34 am
by Haruka
I believe the game somehow got dull from Fairy Council on, with the exceptions of the Land of the Livid Dead (a balance of Raymanish atmosphere and a decent ammount of action) and the Longest Shortcut (a great break from all the Hoodlum Havoc, with the Teensie architecture that has got some approach to R2).
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:36 am
by OCG
Rulez wrote:Huh, when is the line uttered? Pardon but I barely remember the English version, unfortunately the Polish stuck with me much more.
I would like to hear a polish voices. Any video with polish gameplay?
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:37 am
by Master
I think the levels inside the actual Summit were good as well, the nice wintry trope is one that wasn't really exhibited much in the Rayman series 'til this point.
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:29 am
by Rulez
Bionichute wrote:Rulez wrote:Huh, when is the line uttered? Pardon but I barely remember the English version, unfortunately the Polish stuck with me much more.
When Murfy tells you that you can use your hair as a helicopter.
Huh. Here he says "hey listen, the manual says you can screw around with your hair to fly. Heh, "screw around with your hair to fly". God, what a translation"
Except the "screwing around with hair to fly" is impossible to translate. I did my best :/
Re: Rayman Legends
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:33 am
by Bionichute
Rulez wrote:Bionichute wrote:When Murfy tells you that you can use your hair as a helicopter.
Huh. Here he says "hey listen, the manual says you can screw around with your hair to fly. Heh, "screw around with your hair to fly". God, what a translation"
Except the "screwing around with hair to fly" is impossible to translate. I did my best :/
He didn't say that in the English version.