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Then I think I will ask my dad to install Linux and maybe I'll start using it too. Though I'll just stick to Windows 7 for now.

I'll miss the charm and beauty of Windows 7 though.

I plan on installing Linux so that I can run it alongside Win10. Win10 will be used for games only and chatting only, and Linux can be for other things. Like practicing my programming skills!

Steo wrote: Also it might be their product but €145 euro for Windows 10? I think if you pay that you should be allowed to use the software and configure it the way you want.

Well, an average car is 15.000€, you are using it probably 5-15h per week. For instance the Peugeot 308, a medium-end car. Costed around 1 billion dollars in dev costs.

Windows 10 is 145€, you are probably using it more than your car, around 20-40h per week. Costed over 20 billion dollars of development.

With your car, you are not allowed to disable the power steering because you like to drive à l'ancienne. With Windows 10, you are not allowed to disable the machine learning algorithms because you don't want your data to be processed. Sounds fair to me.

However, I wish good luck to both of you with your upcoming Linux environments, it is very powerful and convenient, I could not separe myself from my setup as well. Not because I'm concerned with data privacy though.
Do you have a precise distro in mind?

I plan on using Ubuntu Linux.

Like many others, I will never use Windows 10. I'm a firm believer that the data mining is completely unnecessary, though I disagree on the fact that LoveMetal stated they don't care about your personal data.

That's what many companies relied on to buy/sell, be it to try to sell you goods, sending you letters to open a credit account, or to push advertisements towards you. Many people are not okay with this and I'm glad many are standing up to companies like Microsoft to make it known that this isn't okay.


Though one of the major issues is how they force updates down your throats, and most of the time they end up breaking their own operating system some how, some way. Many of my friends have had the worst issues out of Microsoft that required a full re-installation of the operating system or work-arounds to revert updates.

I've easily used previous versions of Windows that I've never had such issues with from updates or natural use of an OS. The few HDD/SSD failures in the past not being counted here. I've used Windows 98SE, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1 perfectly.

However I must say that Windows 7 is my absolute favorite, but Windows 8.1 with some tweaks is the last one I'm willing to use.

There's a good reason why some folks are willing to dish out a lot of money for Apple products to use macOS over Windows, and/or linux as well. Along with a growing community to bring more gaming to linux and even dedicate a VM within linux to run Windows for gaming / production needs.


That's why I'm glad folks like Level1Techs for example, are doing the best they can to help spread information on bringing content on helping users be able to get linux up and running for this type of task. Them and many others helping users take control of their system and devices for greater security benefits.

Unfortunately not everyone's going to go this route as most people won't even dare root their phones, let alone run a command line terminal.

LoveMetal wrote: Do you have a precise distro in mind?

Originally I was also thinking of Ubuntu like Aaron is, but now I'm not sure. I wonder which would be best to run alongside a Win10 Laptop.

Hoodcom wrote: That's why I'm glad folks like Level1Techs for example, are doing the best they can to help spread information on bringing content on helping users be able to get linux up and running for this type of task. Them and many others helping users take control of their system and devices for greater security benefits.

Unfortunately not everyone's going to go this route as most people won't even dare root their phones, let alone run a command line terminal.

Oh yeah, I heard about them. I should look up the videos on YT sometime.

I probably won't have time to install it this week, but maybe in the coming month I will.

Well for years we didn't have any of this diagnostic stuff and we were fine without it. I used to use Windows XP a lot back in the day and I loved it. Say you use your computer offline though, it's not going to go slow just because Microsoft cant retrieve your data. I'm not hiding anything but I still don't want them having my stuff or snooping. The fact that they want my data so much makes me not want to let them have it.

The forced updates are an absolute joke in my opinion. In that case if you have a car, then new model of that car comes out but it's worse than your current car and has cameras that spy on you, would you be happy to be forced upgrade to that new model? While you're sleeping then wake up the next day your car has been replaced?

Also Aaron, Windows 7 is fine and you can just uninstall a few certain updates to disable the telemetry crap.

About Linux though, I had tried Ubuntu just because it's so common, but I'll like to try out a few different ones and I need to get all that stuff like Gallium 9 and Lutris working properly before I stay on it really.

Steo wrote:Also Aaron, Windows 7 is fine and you can just uninstall a few certain updates to disable the telemetry crap.

Yeah I know. I have removed a few of those but I forgot about removing them recently so thanks for reminding me.

Aaron wrote:Yeah I know. I have removed a few of those but I forgot about removing them recently so thanks for reminding me.

Just go here, download this zip and run the file https://gist.github.com/xvitaly/eafa75ed2cb79b3bd4e9

It will save you a lot of time

Wow, nice! Thanks! I'll try it out tomorrow (if I don't forget)

By the way I would still try out Ubuntu or Linux Mint someday because I'm interested to see how they work in action.

Steo wrote: About Linux though, I had tried Ubuntu just because it's so common, but I'll like to try out a few different ones and I need to get all that stuff like Gallium 9 and Lutris working properly before I stay on it really.

Ubuntu is so far the only one I've tried too
I still need to do some research on this.

Steo wrote:

incognito wrote:Windows 7 all the way for me, although like all Windows it's genuinely shit, and I barely use it anymore, it's the one that's shall I say, is less shit. And I choose my words wisely here, I'm polite.

I'd prefer Linux myself but the only problem is the compatibility with certain things. I've been thinking of dual booting for a while and using Windows for games and Linux for everything else.

Actually to my surprise, support for Windows programs on Linux was rarely so good, it's all a question of horsepower now, as Linux doesn't really support CPU+GPU to run a program, (with laptop Nvidia graphical units tbc" which leads to either slightly lower performance, (for high consumption programs) or to unseen level of smoothness (more for compiled programs).
If you plan to get a new computer, try to choose one with AMD graphics, I suffered too much from Nvidia to recommend it to anyone.

The Jonster wrote:I plan on installing Linux so that I can run it alongside Win10. Win10 will be used for games only and chatting only, and Linux can be for other things. Like practicing my programming skills!

Ask me if you want hints on GoL (Gaming on Linux) I became nearly an expert on the best method to use to get Windows software to work on Linux.

LoveMetal wrote:

Steo wrote: Also it might be their product but €145 euro for Windows 10? I think if you pay that you should be allowed to use the software and configure it the way you want.

Well, an average car is 15.000€, you are using it probably 5-15h per week. For instance the Peugeot 308, a medium-end car. Costed around 1 billion dollars in dev costs.

Windows 10 is 145€, you are probably using it more than your car, around 20-40h per week. Costed over 20 billion dollars of development.

With your car, you are not allowed to disable the power steering because you like to drive à l'ancienne. With Windows 10, you are not allowed to disable the machine learning algorithms because you don't want your data to be processed. Sounds fair to me.

Well, Open Source is nothing about that and the only thing that keeps Windows on tracks is Capitalism, and these dollars you talk about are just paper if you go that way...

Also, I'm okay with Hoodcom on this one

incognito wrote:If you plan to get a new computer, try to choose one with AMD graphics, I suffered too much from Nvidia to recommend it to anyone.

I already have a good computer but it has 2 GTX 970's in it. I have an AMD laptop but the GPU wouldn't be that great nowadays. I think it's an 8670M.

I'll try get myself a Vega or something when I have the money or maybe even just grab a cheaper decent one like an R9 series for now.

incognito wrote:Ask me if you want hints on GoL (Gaming on Linux) I became nearly an expert on the best method to use to get Windows software to work on Linux.

Yeah I'll do that if I need a hand. I don't do that much modern gaming lately anyway, but there are a few I'd like to work. I was using Wine, Gallium 9, DXVK and Lutris on Ubuntu to test it out the other day with my PC but I had all sorts of problems and had to use the Nouveau drivers to even make Gallium 9 work on Nvidia.

I stopped using Windows to maintain my privacy and have now been a Linux user for months. I have no regrets on this.

If you care so much about your privacy although you still wish using Windows 10 it is recommended by privacytools.io to install W10Privacy to disable most of its tracking features. There you'll get lots of tips to maintain your privacy on an higher level so I recommend having a look at the rest of the page too.

When you're using Windows you should be aware what their policy regarding privacy is unless you haven't read it but it doesn't matter to them as they had your consent on this once you have agreed to their terms while installing the OS. It's of course too late to complain about once you have agreed to their terms but what you need to know is it's never too late to switch to Linux!

Harpic fraîcheur wrote:I stopped using Windows to maintain my privacy and have now been a Linux user for months. I have no regrets on this.

Plus you usually gain greater security benefits from linux as well.


Since I don't have any interests for the latest and greatest games currently, any version of Windows prior to 10 is fine with me.

If I was fully concerned about my privacy and really needed to hide, then I probably wouldn't be using Windows wither. Everyone already knows my name and age etc. so I crearly don't need to hide. The fact is in my opinion, that Microsoft want your data so bad and I feel like at least having all of that telemetry stuff disabled is a huge start. I'll never trust 10 now because I know it was built with that fully implemented where the others only got it with updates.

Harpic fraîcheur wrote:it's never too late to switch to Linux!

Exactly

I might need some help with certain things Linux but I'm sure when people aren't busy they might give me a few tips

I'm dual booting with mint currently but I just wanted to run a few tests. I'll be changing distros and I guess I can use the Linux thread to go into detail

Hoodcom wrote:[Since I don't have any interests for the latest and greatest games currently, any version of Windows prior to 10 is fine with me.

I feel the same in this case too. I haven't liked many new games lately and I personally feel that good graphics don't make the game. Look at all our favourite games, a lot of them are only like 240p if you like PS1 or SNES titles etc. The nostalgia plays a major factor in it all too, but literally some of the best games ever made are really low resolution and have terrible graphics nowadays yet the games remain amazing. Saying that, some of the games hold up pretty well for their age too with Rayman 1 being one example and look at the Donkey Kong Country games on the SNES, those are all 240p but they look outstanding for their age. There's a lot of 3D PS2 era games that still even look pretty decent too.

Aside from me rolling back that far and actually going off the point, any PC game I want to play will work on Windows 7 or 8 so I don't need to use windows 10

Harpic fraîcheur wrote:I stopped using Windows to maintain my privacy and have now been a Linux user for months. I have no regrets on this.

If you care so much about your privacy although you still wish using Windows 10 it is recommended by privacytools.io to install W10Privacy to disable most of its tracking features. There you'll get lots of tips to maintain your privacy on an higher level so I recommend having a look at the rest of the page too.

Dude, big thumbs up on this one, I know that someday I'll have to buy a machine with Win10 on it, and everything that can keep me safe is greatly appreciated, although when this day comes I sure hope I won't have to use M$'s system too much...

Hoodcom wrote:Plus you usually gain greater security benefits from linux as well.

Loads of bull, sorry but if you don't properly configure a Linux system, you sometimes end up having an even weaker firewall then on Windows, it takes time to get used to properly secure a Linux station... And sometimes trial and error, trust me...

Steo wrote:

Harpic fraîcheur wrote:it's never too late to switch to Linux!

Exactly

It is for this guy :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht

Steo wrote:If I was fully concerned about my privacy and really needed to hide, then I probably wouldn't be using Windows wither. Everyone already knows my name and age etc. so I crearly don't need to hide. The fact is in my opinion, that Microsoft want your data so bad and I feel like at least having all of that telemetry stuff disabled is a huge start. I'll never trust 10 now because I know it was built with that fully implemented where the others only got it with updates.

I think what really matters isn't being spyed or not, that's already well known, but it is about the fact, that the corporation that provides you with a paid OS re-sells your info for extra cash, which is something that bothers me, because it makes of whoever uses it a product that is commonly sold worldwide, and any info is good to take from their point of view...


Also, super satisfying to see so many people switching to Linux here...

incognito wrote:I think what really matters isn't being spyed or not, that's already well known, but it is about the fact, that the corporation that provides you with a paid OS re-sells your info for extra cash, which is something that bothers me, because it makes of whoever uses it a product that is commonly sold worldwide, and any info is good to take from their point of view...

Yeah that's it. It's bad enough they charge people crazy money for Windows, but then they sell their data too

incognito wrote:Also, super satisfying to see so many people switching to Linux here...

I'm currently dual booting with Mint, but it's just to try out a few things since it's a beginners OS mainly. There's just a few things with games I'd like to try out and then all will be fine if I could get them sorted. I don't really play that many new games anyway.

Ubuntu and Mint are great, for beginners or simply dudes that don't really wanna spend too much time setting their machine up, although something to keep in mind is that they take a bit of control from you (especially Ubuntu) and that they're shall I say a bit performance angry over time, as an example, I have so far used Mageia, Debian, Mint, and a tiny bit Fedora, what comes out of it is that the more control you have on your machine, the more performance you can get out of it, although it implies getting his hands under the hood, but the experience is really satisfying and always useful whatever OS you choose to use.

Mint is my favorite noob friendly system, alongside Mageia, it will allow you to make yourself quite a nice workstation, and since it uses Ubuntu as a based you'll get a lot of packages you'll be able to install for your Hardware.

Or simply do it my way and start right off the bat with Slackware, it's been my main OS since 4 years now and no regrets, it's awesome, runs awesomely well and is super stable, does pretty much all I want (although, a lot of times under the hood)
You'll be totally lost in the beginning, you'll do a bunch of nasty mistakes, but it's awesome to learn on it, try Debian too if you can, it's super solid and getting acquainted to it is also really rewarding...

And... Fedora is a bag of dicks, so anyone who reads this don't bother

Gosh I can't believe it's been 4 years already since I'm on Slackware, time goes at such a speed, somehow makes me feel a bit old now...

Thanks for the info Inco

I suppose that's true though, I'm not really going to learn too much unless I at least test my self a little, though I'm not ready to dive into the likes of Gentoo where you literally build the OS from scratch.

I'm thinking Debian definitely looks like the one I should be trying out fist then, since this is at least the third time it was recommended to me. I would really like to get everything sorted and become really good with Linux, but I'll take one step at a time and hopefully learn more about it