Rayman Origins

[Paradigm]

Could somebody also explain to me what happened to all the Tings? Were they merely blue Lums?

In the 2D beta level of Rayman 2, the Lums are identical to the Tings (they even make the same sound when you collect them) but they're green instead of blue.

Obviously it is believed from the spoilers that...

[The Magician turns out to be Mr Dark, who was merely using the identity of The Magician as a means of stealing all of Rayman's Tings, which he has now used to power his weather machine, which is what generates all the clouds in 'Moody Clouds'.]

...so at least they are referenced in Origins, but it still doesn't explain why they all disappeared after the events of Rayman 1.

[Keane]

Here is an explanation:
Ubisoft replaced them.

[sergiomonty]

^That signature goes perfect with your post

Maybe Rayman took them all.

[EvanEDavies]

I think Origins is the sequel to the first game. Ancel's comment where he says that Origins is the 'proper sequel' makes it sound as though he didn't think that Rayman 2 was a proper sequel to Rayman 1, which it wasn't.

Why are you so insistent on the prequel concept, guys? No, Rayman Origins isn't a prequel to rayman 3, and it's absolutely stupid to discuss about it, since rayman 3 doesn't have anything on it's plot that affects the chronology of the game, it's just rayman helping globox to get to the doctor.

I don’t at all believe it is illogical that Origins could be a prequel to Rayman 3… As far as I know origins contains numerous references to other Rayman games… all except 3. All in all, it doesn’t really matter; the events that took place in 3 were far less significant than other Rayman games, so it could be a sequel.
My point is any piece of information hasn’t been presented to me that suggests that origins is a sequel (that whole thing with murphy doesn’t mean anything, the next game in the series could be entitled ‘Rayman 4’, but this game could be a prequel to 3 so that is completely irrelevant).
So if anybody has any suggestions I’d like to hear them before jumping to conclusions.

[beebo44]

With all this prequel/sequel business going on, has anyone thought about poor old RayFan's game? It's supposed to be based between 1 and 2, and in it Mr Dark is already dead. If Origins is set between 1 and 2, RayFan's game would kinda cease to exist since there'd be an official "1.5". If the game is set between 2 and 3, it wrecks her 'Mr Dark died of old age' concept. If it's a sequel to 3, then the same happens if it were to be between 2 and 3.

Anyway, I forgot to post this earlier; I said I'd stay away due to spoilers- but I couldn't guys! I'll just shunt away the spoilers instead of avoiding the forum.

I myself think Origins could well and truly be the new 4.

[Shrooblord]

With all this prequel/sequel business going on, has anyone thought about poor old RayFan's game? It's supposed to be based between 1 and 2, and in it Mr Dark is already dead. If Origins is set between 1 and 2, RayFan's game would kinda cease to exist since there'd be an official "1.5". If the game is set between 2 and 3, it wrecks her 'Mr Dark died of old age' concept. If it's a sequel to 3, then the same happens if it were to be between 2 and 3.

Meh that's not true. She could still continue to create her game and just not include RO as an official inbetween game but ignore that it ever was, for storyline's sake. Utilising a retcon, that is called. Or she could possibly just twist something in her story around. She'll be fine. I wouldn't be awful depressed if Ubi decides to publish an official Rayman 4 (with the 4 in the title) just before my fangame is completed; I'll just change around a lot of numbers and my fangame will become Rayman 5. And in any case, it's a fangame, so you're not really bound to any restrictions but your own.

[spiraldoor]

I don’t think the complaint regarding Rayman’s personality holds much water; he behaviour (and looks) match those of the Rayman in R3. If you have a problem with his attitude, take it up with the R3 developers: that’s when the change occurred. Thankfully some of the more extrame elements of Rayman’s stupidity have been toned down, so really I’ve got no complaints.

It’s sad to see that we’re essentially turning into a bunch of Zelda fans, with various conflicting theories regarding the chronology of the games. The evidence that Origins takes place after R1 and R2 is overwhelmind, and I think it’s quite safe to assume that it also takes place after R3, simply because an ‘interquel’ would be quite unorthodox and the developers would be very likely to make it clear if it was. The lack of direct references to R3 can be explained by the fact that Michel Ancel had no involvement in the development of that game and isn’t necessarily a big fan of it. That’s not to say that they are ignoring it completely – note that they carried over Rayman’s appearance, amongst other things – but it could be that R3 just doesn’t interest Ancel and Shrager as much as the other games. There’s no direct indication that Origins is a prequel of any sort, so let’s not leap to conclusions.

Could someone tell me who this Teensoudini is? An unlockable skin? Also, is the cutscene with Mr Dark standing on a hilltop still in the game somewhere? [The Reveal, and the references to Mr Dark on the official site, would feel quite strange if it wasn’t.]

[Droolie]

Could someone tell me who this Teensoudini is? An unlockable skin? Also, is the cutscene with Mr Dark standing on a hilltop still in the game somewhere? [The Reveal, and the references to Mr Dark on the official site, would feel quite strange if it wasn’t.]

[It isn't in the game. If it was, I would have found sounds and music for it.
Teensoudini is the Magician/Mr Dark. If this is not the Magician and/or the Mr Dark from the first game, this name fits him best to avoid confusion with the previous games. That's why I use it.]

[spiraldoor]

Doesn’t that mean that [the Dark Magician Teensy, or whoever he’s supposed to be, is a playable character in the game]? The section of the script that holds the Bubble Dreamers’s reaction to skins contains the following dialogue:

[Ah!!! What do you want from me
Who let you out! Somebody, help!
Teensoudini has escaped! Again!
&We need to build a better Teensy trap.]

He makes reference to a ‘trap’, which seems to have been replaced by, well, a gigantic explosion in the final game. I think the ‘Houdini’ name is simply a reference to the fact that the character managed to escape from the trap.

[Shrooblord]

Yeah, Spiral, I guess you're right about those things. OK then I'll accept RO as a sequel - though still I have not had my two questions explained.
Spoilers may be involved but it won't be anything new for most of you guys.

1. What is [that Dark Teensie thing] doing in there if he is not [Mister Dark]?!
2. How come the trailer for RO shows [Rayman being created], while the game itself is a sequel? Is it just a cutscene that has nothing else to do with the game's timespace?

That's all questions I'm dying to hear answered as they are really confusing me. The thing is that they are both really conflicting if the game is not a prequel to R1 but a sequel to R2/R3.

The lack of direct references to R3 can be explained by the fact that Michel Ancel had no involvement in the development of that game and isn’t necessarily a big fan of it. That’s not to say that they are ignoring it completely – note that they carried over Rayman’s appearance, amongst other things – but it could be that R3 just doesn’t interest Ancel and Shrager as much as the other games.

Well, in all honesty, there's not that much that happened in Rayman 3 to reference to. He didn't get to know any new characters except Begoniax and Razoff, who are completely out of his world of contacts. The only other new characters are either the Hoodlums, who are all [dead] at the end of Rayman 3 and [reverted to Red Lums], or other enemies like the Knaaren, who don't have any affiliation with Rayman either. I don't see what else could be referenced, except maybe the Teensie Doctors. Besides, it's not like Rayman 3 mentioned anything from Rayman 2; except for the occassional pun like "You were nicer in Rayman 2." Actually, they actually shunned character like Ly, Clark and Uglette, which I find a bit strange. Then again, Betilla, the Magician and other characters from Rayman 1 were forgotten in Rayman 2.

[Droolie]

Doesn’t that mean that [the Dark Magician Teensy, or whoever he’s supposed to be, is a playable character in the game]? The section of the script that holds the Bubble Dreamers’s reaction to skins contains the following dialogue:

[Ah!!! What do you want from me
Who let you out! Somebody, help!
Teensoudini has escaped! Again!
&We need to build a better Teensy trap.]

He makes reference to a ‘trap’, which seems to have been replaced by, well, a gigantic explosion in the final game. I think the ‘Houdini’ name is simply a reference to the fact that the character managed to escape from the trap.

The skin isn't in the game, it's been scrapped. That should explain a lot...

[spiraldoor]

1. What is [that Dark Teensie thing] doing in there if he is not [Mister Dark]?!

There are a few possibilities. Maybe that character really is [Mr Dark]. Maybe it’s [the Magician, turned to the dark side, only pretending to be Rayman’s friend to get Lums to power his machines]. Or maybe (and this is the explanation I favour) [Mr Dark and the Magician were the same character all along, and he was simply manipulating Rayman in R1 to get Tings for similar nefarious purposes].

On a related note, I noticed a weird similarity between these two pictures, which I thought was cool (the URLs are spoilers).

Image 1
Image 2

2. How come the trailer for RO shows [Rayman being created], while the game itself is a sequel? Is it just a cutscene that has nothing else to do with the game's timespace?

It could be that it’s just a clip created for the trailer, or it could be that it was intended to begin the game, but was scrapped when the developers decided to make it a sequel rather than a prequel.

[Shrooblord]

There are a few possibilities. Maybe that character really is [Mr Dark]. Maybe it’s [the Magician, turned to the dark side, only pretending to be Rayman’s friend to get Lums to power his machines]. Or maybe (and this is the explanation I favour) [Mr Dark and the Magician were the same character all along, and he was simply manipulating Rayman in R1 to get Tings for similar nefarious purposes].

Ahhh, yes, that works. So then we assume [Mr Dark survived Rayman 1 and just fled].

It could be that it’s just a clip created for the trailer, or it could be that it was intended to begin the game, but was scrapped when the developers decided to make it a sequel rather than a prequel.

So hang on, that whole thing is not actually in the game? That's too bad - that scene looked really nice as an intro, or at least as some cutscene in the game; plus it had some humour in it too.

[Droolie]

Spiral, you might be interested in this - [I just noticed that one of the posters in Teensoudini's room has a heart on it, with "Mister D." written under it. So, Teensoudini loves Mr Dark. Two different characters?]
By the way, [I said a few pages back that I had discovered an unused ending for Rayman Origins - with Big Mamma possibly kissing Mr Dark. Not true - it's actually just the music for the real "reveal" where Teensoudini rips the star off (that makes a kissing sound, strangely XD) - I hadn't seen that yet back then.]
Also, the soundtrack will be available soon.

[Rulez]

By the way, [I said a few pages back that I had discovered an unused ending for Rayman Origins - with Big Mamma possibly kissing Mr Dark. Not true - it's actually just the music for the real "reveal" where Teensoudini rips the star off (that makes a kissing sound, strangely XD) - I hadn't seen that yet back then.]

Teeheehee, if I do say so. Your mistaking was quite hilarious.

[THEdragon]

Hhm, people seem to be saying that [The magician from Rayman 1 is is also a traitor], but I personally like to think of him as [a completely different character to RO teensie-magician...]

[spiraldoor]

Spiral, you might be interested in this - [I just noticed that one of the posters in Teensoudini's room has a heart on it, with "Mister D." written under it. So, Teensoudini loves Mr Dark. Two different characters?]

It could be – or it could be something left over from an earlier version of the story (the version with all the expository dialogue). It feels really weird having all these references to [the real Mr Dark], both in the game and on the website, if he doesn’t appear in the game at all (and the game doesn’t make any attempt to clarify what’s really going on).

Something else to consider is the fact that the developers retconned the evil Jano into being an alter-ego of the good Polokus, both of them characters from R2 who never appeared at the same time. [Perhaps this is an indication that they would be willing to do the same thing with Mr Dark and the Magician?] Another thing is [the Magician’s real name, Alles Manray (Pig Latin for ‘Salesman’)] – Mr Dark is being presented as a sort of salesman in Origins (a spiv, to be precise), dealing in questionable goods that he keeps hidden under his cloak.

[sergiomonty]

Spiral... I think Teensoudini is his real name. Houdini was a famous magician, so the reference is possibly not only to the escape from the trap. They surely changed the name "magician" because it was too generic.

[Hunchman801]

Besides - Murfy is in it, who said "see you in Rayman 4!" - so we know that this is in fact Rayman 4.

That doesn't prove anything, you're just confusing the timeline of the games' release with that of the events in Rayman's worlds, which are indeed totally unrelated. It doesn't mean I don't agree with you though, as it's obvious that Origins takes place after either Rayman 2 or Rayman 3.

Spiral... I think Teensoudini is his real name. Houdini was a famous magician, so the reference is possibly not only to the escape from the trap. They surely changed the name "magician" because it was too generic.

I'm with Spiral here, as far as I know the Bubble Dreamer gives almost everyone weird nicknames.

By the way, I went to a press event with DesLife and YamiRayman last night, and we got to play the full game in co-op, not to mention a couple nice goodies. I played as Bad Rayman, and the Bubble Dreamer said stuff like “That's Rayman's wicked double”, “That's all Mr Dark's fault” and “Still no girlfriend? Not surprising, you're so ugly”. I don't remember the exact French sentences so don't expect those to be the exact lines in English (they're all in the script anyway, but I don't have it on my computer at work).

[Rayman3DS]

New trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTCHU7LL ... ture=feedu