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Let's say, that a Knaaren soldier was to face a Grolem 13, such as foutch. I know that the Knaaren are supposed to be invincible, but Polokus designed the Grolem 13s to be able to guard his mask and protect them while he was in his sleep; so they should have a resonable defence as well.
Would the Knaaren be able to defeat the Grolems?

Also, this though led me to believe that maybe the Knaaren's entity, Leptys, would use them to claim hold of the masks, and try to overthrow Polokus with them? Maybe he wants to claim the land for himself?

Honestly I think that a Knaaren wouldn't have any chance against Grolem 13. About the invincibility thing, it is a pertinent question when reminding why Reflux is defeatable and the others not really (probably something the developers made, just to make sure that players don't do anything to them).

Knaarens may be invincible, but that doesn't stop Grolem 13 from picking them up like playtoys.

Haruka wrote:Honestly I think that a Knaaren wouldn't have any chance against Grolem 13. About the invincibility thing, it is a pertinent question when reminding why Reflux is defeatable and the others not really (probably something the developers made, just to make sure that players don't do anything to them).

I was always under the impression that Reflux had given up his invincibility for power when he gained his staff (before he stole the scepter; in his days as champion) and that's how/why he became champion...But because of his lack of invincibility, Rayman was able to defeat him later despite Reflux's gain of new power. But I don't think that bit before is actually cannon...lol. D:
And I thought the Knaaren probably were really invincible since..well, the zero effect level you have if you attempt to attack them; and a Teensie tells you they're invincible, and they are the said keepers of the Rayman-world knowledge....so that strengthened my assumption.

So I guess the Knaaren (if they could ever get a shot at Grolem 13) would most likely have the upper hand, in my opinion.

RayFan9876 wrote:Knaarens may be invincible, but that doesn't stop Grolem 13 from picking them up like playtoys.

...True, ha ha. xD

So the Knaaren have the advantage. They have incredible power, near invincibility, and are able to substitute that defence for even more power.

But in general, the Grolem 13s would be able to easily fend off a knaaren. Or at least, keep it at bay.

Though I've always been curious, if the Knaaren were invincible, and Reflux were their champion, then how?
If the Knaaren were invincible how would Reflux have been able to beat them?
If you look carefully, you'll notice that there are NO heavy metal fists inside the Knaaren tunnels, until you fight Reflux, perhaps they are susceptible to the increased power of the metal fist.

The Knaaren aren’t truly invincible; that’s just the hyperbole of fearful Teensies. I imagine that Grolem 13 would be able to defeat any Knaaren, unless they happened to have the Sceptre of the Leptys.

I never believed they were invincible, they are just so hard-skinned or armored (?) that Rayman's shots get deflected, so they don't have any shields. Reflux, however has the Sceptre of Leptys during his battle and notice that you never hurt him directly. You punch his Sceptre making it uncontrollable for him.

Rulez wrote:I never believed they were invincible, they are just so hard-skinned or armored (?) that Rayman's shots get deflected, so they don't have any shields. Reflux, however has the Sceptre of Leptys during his battle and notice that you never hurt him directly. You punch his Sceptre making it uncontrollable for him.

That's another chance too. I'm sure not even the magical attacks from the Teensies would do anything to a Knaaren.

spiraldoor wrote:The Knaaren aren’t truly invincible; that’s just the hyperbole of fearful Teensies.

Exactly my thoughts. Foutch, Axel or Grolem 13 could easily beat a Knaaren. Mainly because they're the size of a tower and while a Knaaren is big, it's not that big. Maybe a horde of Knaaren would be harder to fight off, especially if the Knaaren are smart enough to exploit a Guardian's weakness.
Maybe the Knaaren are as 'invincible' to Rayman as we are invincible for an ant.

Come to think of it, you never actually see Rayman attacking a Grolem; he always seem to hit it indirectly. Such as: Axel, with shooting Ice-shards onto his head; or Foutch, with knocking rocks onto his head. So, maybe the Grolems are also invincible to rayman's attacks?

Edit: Looking back at my comment; I think maybe the head, is a Grolem's weakness?

Dude stop, Grolem 13 is the name of the 4th Guardian. They don't have a species name, they're just Guardians.

Rulez wrote:Dude stop, Grolem 13 is the name of the 4th Guardian.

For one, i didn't say Grolem 13 this time. And secondly, they should be called Grolems, because Grolem 13 is more possibly a Grolem, hence his name; meaning that the other two must also be Grolems. Which makes that their species.

These creatures are called Guardians. They are never referred to as Grolems; that is simply hearsay and speculation, fabricated by fans.

Going by your logic I would call them Axels.

It's funny that Umber is the only guardian who doesn't look triangular and isn't even that dangerous. That son of a Foutch.

Rulez wrote:Going by your logic I would call them Axels.

It's funny that Umber is the only guardian who doesn't look triangular and isn't even that dangerous.

Lol, Axels...

But really. If you think about it. It is the reason that Umber isn't triangular, that made me think that the three that are, must be some sort of 'different' species, such as Grolems.
The Guardians, are those who guard the mask, which includes Umber. So, maybe the 'Guardian' is a rank. Or something that both Axel's and Umber's species are involved in.

Umber is identified as a ‘colossus’ in the PlayStation version. I’m not sure if I follow the reasoning that the other three Guardians being a different ‘species’ means that they are called ‘Grolems’.

spiraldoor wrote:Umber is identified as a ‘colossus’ in the PlayStation version. I’m not sure if I follow the reasoning that the other three Guardians being a different ‘species’ means that they are called ‘Grolems’.

So, if Umber is a 'Colossus', then the 'guardian' can't be a speices. As it would mean that Umber has two speices (that is actually a cool thought, but highly unlikely). So, if Guardian is not a speices, than it can either be a name or a Rank. Umber is called Umber, and there is no mention of him having a last name; so Guardian must be a rank.
Now, if Guardian is a rank, then Axel, Foutch and Grolem 13, have that rank. Leaving the option of their species, wide open. No mention of a species has been said, and I know this. It could be that they don't have a speices, but I refuse to believe this.

Neither I wouldn't call them Axels or Foutches. But, Grolem is a possibilty, as Grolem 13 mightn't have been given a name by Polokus, simply a number. This number could signify that there are 13 Grolems, it could just be something to do with Grolem 13 (he might have 13 hears, 13 fingers, etc).
But this is not the point of my argument. The point is, that Axel Foutch and Grolem 13 must have a different speices. And my theory, is that it is a Grolem.

It's not an assumption, it literally calls Umber a "colossus" in the game. Also Umber looks nothing like the other guardians, therefore he obviously isn't of the same species as Axel, Foutch, and Grolem 13.

I still don’t see how you made the leap from ‘Umber is a different species’ to ‘the other three must be called Grolems’. There is nothing that states this. We know Grolem 13’s ‘species’, and it’s not ‘Grolem’ – it’s ‘Bigum Aerum Tornadus Recyclus’.