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Why does RayWiki call the "Death Fairy" nymph Voodoo Mamma? The only source I can find for her name is "Fée de la Mort" in Rayman Jungle Run, so Death Fairy.

Voodoo Mamma is mentioned in the Daily Bubble #4 (Voodoo Mamma reveals nature’s remedies), and there, the name only refers to the creature known on the wiki as "Mamma Hité", not to the Death Fairy. In the French version of that Daily Bubble, she is indeed called "Mama Hité", and it looks like this was the original French name for "Voodoo Mamma". "Mama Hité" is a French pun and was never intended to be used in the English version in the final game. This name appears in one of Polokus' cut lines in the game files, but as a cut line, it was never reviewed. In the final game, all remaining occurrences have been replaced with "Voodoo Mamma" in English and "Mamma Voudou" in French. Sometimes, but not always, they are referred to in the plural. As members of Globox's species, they could be a female counterpart to the male Red Wizards.

We know that at some point, (a) Voodoo Mamma was meant to transform into Big Mama, and she was replaced by the Death Fairy, but that doesn't make them the same.

In short, everything points out to "Mama Hité" being nothing more than the old French name for "Voodoo Mamma". Does anything contradict this? Then should the wiki be updated?

Mama Hité is a scrapped rayman origins character. They changed the plot of the game to make “Voodoo Mama” free after beating “Big Mama”. Just like all the kings

Greengoop wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:48 pm Mama Hité is a scrapped rayman origins character. They changed the plot of the game to make “Voodoo Mama” free after beating “Big Mama”. Just like all the kings

How does that answer my question? I know that the character was scrapped and replaced by the Death Fairy, it's literally written in the message you replied to. My question is why is the Death Fairy called Voodoo Mama on the wiki, and, incidentally, in your message too despite everything I explained above?

I’m sure this isn’t just gonzo 2.0. It’s probably mentioned in some official source such as l’histoire de rayman

I am not aware of any sources calling the Death Fairy Voodoo Mamma. In fact, both articles were originally written from the point of view that Mamma Hité and Voodoo Mamma are one and the same, but this was apparently changed by boombo in 2014, and has remained like this since. Sadly, he did not give an explanation, so I have no idea what the rationale was. If nobody can come up with a source, then I think we should update the articles to reflect what you said.

Maybe this is worthy of an entry in the documentary?

Didn't it come from the same place as the other fairies' names, i.e., achievement descriptions for Rayman Origins? I thought I could remember one that mentioned "la nymphe vaudoue" along with her name - but maybe I'm getting mixed up with something bopmbo himself wrote on the forum

Now the description for that one is “ding dong, the livid boss is dead!”

Yeah, I can't see anything about this in the list of achievements either. And even if she were called the "voodoo nymph", that would still be different from "Voodoo Mamma".

So maybe this is pretty much Gonzo 2.0?

Given the lack of evidence, I have updated the articles to reflect hoodlumsworld's understanding.

I better fix the ranklist too when I get home then!

Possibly this is worthy of being in the documentary for October?

Well I like calling the Death Fairy Voodoo Mama and Voodoo Mama Mama Hité so yeah even some fans still refer the name Voodoo Mama to the Death Fairy so why change the name If fans know that Voodoo Mama is Mama Hité and the Death Fairy is Voodoo Mama!?

Because the wiki is not about what fans like to call characters but what they're called in official material.

Alright, sure Danicanlove, let’s just change the name of devilbobs to HAAAAAAAAAAAARGHs real quick

Hunchman801 wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 12:21 am this was apparently changed by boombo in 2014, and has remained like this since. Sadly, he did not give an explanation, so I have no idea what the rationale was

Well, first the Livingstones/Jacquouilles, now this...

If I remember correctly my thought process...

First, The Daily Bubble announced Origins was going to have a Globoxish character called Mamma Hité in French and Voodoo Mamma in English.
A character which, apparently, was going to be turned into Big Mama (same name in all languages, good!).

In final version of Origins, Mamma Hité isn't mentioned anywhere.
We just have Polokus talking about someone called...
Mamma Voudou (French)
Voodoo Mamma (English) (Oh?)
Mamma Voodoo (Italian)
Voodoo-Mama (German and Deutsch)
... when he sees Rayman and Globox with Raybox and Red Globox skins.

I don't remember if I noticed all languages (EXCEPT French) sometimes use articles and plural to speak about A Voodoo Mamma or Voodoo Mammas, but nevertheless, I mainly work with French texts regarding Rayman, since it's the maternal language of the series and a language used for the development of the games.

In Origins script, Mamma Hité is mentioned in a removed line of Polokus (to a Grand Minimus), in all languages (INCLUDING English), and it seems to be considered as a different character than Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma, since she's mentioned with a different name.

My conclusion was that, in French, Mamma Hité has been kept for the scrapped member of Globox's species, and Mamma Voudou was a brand new name for a brand new character.
In English, well, don't know what happened. They changed their mind on using Mamma Hité here, maybe.
And concerning articles and plural, well, typos and errors can be considered. It wouldn't be the first time in Rayman and video games history.

Now, why Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma in final version of Origins would be the Nymph of the (Hellish) Land of the Livid Dead?

Well, I've been puzzled by these quotes about Raybox and Red Globox.

And then, Rayman Legends arrived, and Raybox description in Heroes Gallery still talks about Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma in all languages.

Why a scrapped character like Pink Globox Counterpart (not talking about Uglette) would have such influence in Legends? And in final version of Origins?

My guess was it should be an existing character (in game canon), and the Pink Nymph quickly came to my mind because she is original form of Big Mama (a name similar to Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma) and, even if it's a bit cliché, Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma would be appropriate for a fairy with this goth appearance.

According to both Raybox descriptions and Red Globox description, Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma seems to be a mischievous character, which is also appropriate for our goth nymph, even if it's a bit cliché here too (some would say it's an Ubisoft game, so clichés can be expected).

On side note, even if it's a bit extrapolation, the images of the Livid Nymph in Rayman Jungle Run, where she's called "Fée de la Mort", seems to confirm she's impish indeed. And we see her playing tricks (and music) with Rayman, which remind us the Raybox thing.

Finally, last mention of Voodoo Mamma is in Rayman Adventures, where Sandbox description reveals in English she is the one who turned him into Sandman. Mischievous one day, mischievous every day.
French version of this description doesn't mention Mamma Voudou because...
I don't know. Adventures are sometimes VERY different in French and English.

What I notice is what this Death Fairy doesn't have the same screen time as her sisters Betilla, Holly, Edith, Annetta and Helena, and yet, she is the one who have the most developed personality, thanks to character descriptions and some pictures.

PS: No feedback loop possible here: I made these conclusions in 2014 and Legends release date is 2013.

That's interesting, thanks for sharing! I believe however that the explanation for the presence of the name "Mamma Hité" in that line of removed dialogue could be much more simple: as the line was scrapped, they simply stopped updating it, and that's how the old name stayed there despite the character(s) being renamed Voodoo Mamma. It's not the first time I've seen this kind of pattern in scrapped text.

Regardless, that's once again a situation where the lack of clear storytelling in the game only adds to the confusion. Clearly, there will always be unexplained things with this game!

hoodlumsworld wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:42 pm Why does RayWiki call the "Death Fairy" nymph Voodoo Mamma? The only source I can find for her name is "Fée de la Mort" in Rayman Jungle Run, so Death Fairy.

Voodoo Mamma is mentioned in the Daily Bubble #4 (Voodoo Mamma reveals nature’s remedies), and there, the name only refers to the creature known on the wiki as "Mamma Hité", not to the Death Fairy. In the French version of that Daily Bubble, she is indeed called "Mama Hité", and it looks like this was the original French name for "Voodoo Mamma". "Mama Hité" is a French pun and was never intended to be used in the English version in the final game. This name appears in one of Polokus' cut lines in the game files, but as a cut line, it was never reviewed. In the final game, all remaining occurrences have been replaced with "Voodoo Mamma" in English and "Mamma Voudou" in French. Sometimes, but not always, they are referred to in the plural. As members of Globox's species, they could be a female counterpart to the male Red Wizards.

We know that at some point, (a) Voodoo Mamma was meant to transform into Big Mama, and she was replaced by the Death Fairy, but that doesn't make them the same.

In short, everything points out to "Mama Hité" being nothing more than the old French name for "Voodoo Mamma". Does anything contradict this? Then should the wiki be updated?

Actually great question. I've always called her Big Mama/Voodoo Mama but nowhere does it infact state that's her ACTUAL name.

I'm assuming either the wiki page for her is incorrect, or there was some sort of mistranslation somewhere.

Even though Mamma Hité is not Big Mama, they look almost exactly the same and basically have somewhat of the same theming. Since the 4 kings all have respective friendly forms, my personal theory is somewhere down the line Death Fairy (I'm not going to call her Fée de la Mort!!) was somehow turned into Mamma Hité down the line and then something evil turned her into Big Mama. So then when Rayman and friends save Death Fairy, instead of going back to Mamma Hité, she's now back to her ACTUAL friendly form.

But that's just a theory... a GAME THEORY!

Forgot a few things:

We can consider the character called Mama Hité then Mamma Voudou in French and always called Voodoo Mamma in English was first a member of Globox's species, then developers decided to turn her into a nymph. After all, both have physical similarities with purple hair and pink on the body, and both are the real form of Big Mama boss.

So in French, Mama Hité could be the old name of the Death Fairy (maybe) known as Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma now.

Wouldn't be the first time the design of a Rayman character change completely. Remember when the Magician had the appearance of Polokus in Rayman 2?

Speaking of Polokus, there's something interesting about him: the scrapped line about Mama Hité/Mamma Voudou says he had a relationship with her.

Now, if she was a member of Globox's species first, they would be a cute pair as with his new design in UbiArt games, Polokus kinda looks like a Fakir, or a beige Globox.

But if Mamma Voudou/Voodoo Mamma was a fairy...
Remember the Muse of the Poets?

Yeah, I know the Death Fairy doesn't look like a fan of poetry, but maybe what's the joke.
Well, expect if you consider goth poems.

Don't forget too devs planned to insert way more references to previous Rayman games in Rayman Origins, like Tarayzan, Uglette and a Teensie who looks like a Robo-Pirate, so something inspired by Rayman 2 lore, why not!

Very personal interpretation, maybe it's a coincidence, but I like it, and that would be awesome if people at Ubisoft remembered that during Origins creation!