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Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am
by ScalieDan
Given that Republicans are more known to be cheating more lately (I mean we do know of several cases) and Democrats cheat less lately (not 0) I would say that this is sorta accurate of a result.

Now, Rayman players often are from actual democratic countries and Joe Biden has the majority of votes. Electorals are undermining the principles of democracy for some economic reasons. So I do hope that results are accurate as Biden definitely deserves to win under democratic view points.

Also, Trump is really horrible and while Biden also has dirt, he at least seems to not take away rights.

I followed a lot. What Trump did and Biden. Biden is way WAY more humanistic.

Trump said to stop voting counts. This is a sign of insane fascism. There isn't much worse than denying votes that were made in time.

He declared victory before it happened. This is what a dictator does and there are cases in history of this.

There is also a lawyer channel, Legal Eagle who has some great videos on why Trump is really dangerous.

With Biden, I hope if he wins he isn't going to attempt a tax reform as he did bad before and he supports fracking... I hope he quits that view. He has changed positively in past but yeah...

P.S. both are bad but as far as we can tell, Biden is less horrible to humans.

Those are my views on this whole thing.

Edit: Some things which speak heavily againat Trump. First time in history a Republican voted guilty on one charge in an impeachment process of a republican President. Democrats are less attached, they did this several times to Democratic ones.
Trump made racist remarks, xenophobic politics which even split families. Children suffered through this. He wanted that Supreme court doesn't rule that sexual orientation is protected (no discrimination on that base) under federal law (which it now is a law). He, similar to Biden, has criminal charges. Unlike Biden, he has a high number of debts even to foreign powers making him a security risk based on FBI views.
He really did bad for trans soldiers by denying them. Even though they have served well and good for some time now.
His economy was rising before he did a thing. Trump violated law, stopping lawful protest to take a photo holding bible upside down (mark of anti christ).
Just some points. If Biden is 40% of what he promises, he will do better than this hateful person named Trump.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:44 am
by Сым
ScalieDan wrote: Biden is way WAY more humanistic.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:35 am
by ScalieDan
Сым wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:44 am
ScalieDan wrote: Biden is way WAY more humanistic.
Well Biden is still bad. The bar is really low due to Trump...

Edit: If people want I can list the bad stuff Biden has, that I know out of my head. But I already wrote so much >.<

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:59 pm
by Hunchman801
Thanks for sharing your opinion, Dan! I just have a few remarks:
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am Also, Trump is really horrible and while Biden also has dirt, he at least seems to not take away rights.

I followed a lot. What Trump did and Biden. Biden is way WAY more humanistic.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am P.S. both are bad but as far as we can tell, Biden is less horrible to humans.
I think I understand what you mean, though I believe one has to be careful not to focus on the individual too much, as blind humanism can often result in an overall worse situation for the majority, and it is important to remain pragmatic and focus on the greater good instead.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am With Biden, I hope if he wins he isn't going to attempt a tax reform as he did bad before and he supports fracking... I hope he quits that view. He has changed positively in past but yeah...
What are the specifics of this tax reform you have in mind? As for fracking, are you in favor of a complete ban or just more regulation? While it can be catastrophic if not done carefully, it's also a great opportunity that deserves to be considered. Here in France they didn't even study the question, they just outright banned it in a purely ideological decision that means we could be sitting on gold but we're not even going to ask ourselves if it's worth looking into.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am Trump made racist remarks, xenophobic politics which even split families. Children suffered through this. He wanted that Supreme court doesn't rule that sexual orientation is protected (no discrimination on that base) under federal law (which it now is a law).
Are you referring to the families of illegal aliens? There are laws that have to be respected, and people illegally immigrating into a country willingly expose themselves and their children to such situations, and are ultimately responsible for this. What if there were no immigration laws and the entire third world suddenly moved to the US? Well the country would become part of the third world itself, and no one would be better off. I actually find it baffling how some people believe they're entitled to moving wherever they want when they often have very little to bring to the table themselves.
Also, what are those racist and xenophobic remarks you mentioned? I'm curious to hear more about this thing about protection of sexual orientation too, I haven't been following the news much so I'm not sure what this is about.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am Unlike Biden, he has a high number of debts even to foreign powers making him a security risk based on FBI views.
Can you elaborate on those debts?
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am He really did bad for trans soldiers by denying them. Even though they have served well and good for some time now.
What happened here? I must've missed the story too.
Yeah, that was terrible. Actually more racist than anything I've heard Trump say. :|

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:33 pm
by PluMGMK
Re trans soldiers, you don't remember this? viewtopic.php?p=1223273#p1223273 :fou:

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm
by ScalieDan
Hunchman801 wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:59 pm Thanks for sharing your opinion, Dan! I just have a few remarks:
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am Also, Trump is really horrible and while Biden also has dirt, he at least seems to not take away rights.

I followed a lot. What Trump did and Biden. Biden is way WAY more humanistic.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am P.S. both are bad but as far as we can tell, Biden is less horrible to humans.
I think I understand what you mean, though I believe one has to be careful not to focus on the individual too much, as blind humanism can often result in an overall worse situation for the majority, and it is important to remain pragmatic and focus on the greater good instead.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am With Biden, I hope if he wins he isn't going to attempt a tax reform as he did bad before and he supports fracking... I hope he quits that view. He has changed positively in past but yeah...
What are the specifics of this tax reform you have in mind? As for fracking, are you in favor of a complete ban or just more regulation? While it can be catastrophic if not done carefully, it's also a great opportunity that deserves to be considered. Here in France they didn't even study the question, they just outright banned it in a purely ideological decision that means we could be sitting on gold but we're not even going to ask ourselves if it's worth looking into.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am Trump made racist remarks, xenophobic politics which even split families. Children suffered through this. He wanted that Supreme court doesn't rule that sexual orientation is protected (no discrimination on that base) under federal law (which it now is a law).
Are you referring to the families of illegal aliens? There are laws that have to be respected, and people illegally immigrating into a country willingly expose themselves and their children to such situations, and are ultimately responsible for this. What if there were no immigration laws and the entire third world suddenly moved to the US? Well the country would become part of the third world itself, and no one would be better off. I actually find it baffling how some people believe they're entitled to moving wherever they want when they often have very little to bring to the table themselves.
Also, what are those racist and xenophobic remarks you mentioned? I'm curious to hear more about this thing about protection of sexual orientation too, I haven't been following the news much so I'm not sure what this is about.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am Unlike Biden, he has a high number of debts even to foreign powers making him a security risk based on FBI views.
Can you elaborate on those debts?
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:48 am He really did bad for trans soldiers by denying them. Even though they have served well and good for some time now.
What happened here? I must've missed the story too.
Yeah, that was terrible. Actually more racist than anything I've heard Trump say. :|
Some points to address.
I will do them out of order sorry.
Fracking is mostly bad as it damages the earth, the stability too much. There is more evidence suggesting the damage is not worth it at all. We should focus on stabil solutions. Hence why I disagree with Biden.

Biden's saying of "You ain't black" is far less than Trump saying to a born American black congress woman to go home to their country and fix it.
Literally racism at its finest. There are also a TON of racist allegations (some with transcriptions) but imo his racist Tweet is the worst of the worst with highest truth value (as it's literally from Trump himself)

Trump and his administration banned trans soldiers. Even they did good or saved people. A trans person *can no longer* serve for America. If you want I can go into the reasons uses to ban it abd counters.
Edit: Better wording, it's now insanely hard as you need to get Lucky and find a place where they simply allow it. These exist but it's tough...
Humanism cares for humans, while it isn't telling you how exactly politics are run, you are caring for humans always. Trump doesn't.

As for Trump being a security risk, his business is actually in a lot of debt and he is doing business with foreign powers. Now doing business is 100% ok, even with foreign powers.
However, being in debt means you can be pressured. The FBI relationship is the following.
FBI is known to make background checks to avoid you being in danger of pressure or emotional manipulation. Trump is actually pressureable. This is NOT good.

Tax reform: Biden is one of the people at fault for the terrible tax system in USA. He was Vice-president iirc (or a similar strong position in politics). If he is doing tax reform (different % for example) I fear it will get worse.

As for immigration, no he (Trump) legitimately build horrible centers for immigration families and certain processes even forced them to split children and parents. You may have heard about the many children who lost their parents and are essentially orphans now. (not really but practically for now).

I agree immigration laws are important but the system Trump used got compared to concentration camps. Of course this comparison is pretty bad but yeah, the system is bad and not ok.
Also, I see it as very bad as nothing should allow you to split and hurt children. In Germany the law above all immigration laws is to keep family together. We even watched a german documentary about a case where this very law got broken. It's pretty sickening. Children have done nothing. They don't deserve these things.

I already mentioned the racism and if you die hard want me I can attemlt to find other racist cases (alleged as proving racism epistemology wise is really hard).

Xenophobia, his distaste to specific muslim immigrants and Mexicans to an *unreasonable* degree. It's ok to dislike Islam and a good chunk of muslims due to different views, but I personally know good muslims who migrated to Germany. His approach is to put all under 1 aspect. He also wanted to build a wall as you probably know lol.
He also seems to be a bit in a fight with Chinese but not big statements made by him. Well China is economy foe so... yeah.

As for sexual orientation.
This was a very big supreme court case that was very big in news.
A case (idk who actually brought it to supreme court) argued that the federal laws protecting sex (as in male/female and if you are using Germany's views, diverse) edit: (finishing sentence oops) that this law should cover same sex discrimination (like firing due to relationship)

Trump urged supreme court to not rule that this protects same sex couples. The court actually ruled that they are protected now (the way they argued was actually insanely well done. I never expected such reasoning but I guess they are the supreme court for a reason).
I really don't know what Trumo is on.
He says "I will help ban conversion therapy everywhere" (paraphrased) yet promoted religious freedom (American version, where you cab use religion to discriminate. Not France's approach).
And also wants job providers to fire gays for having a partner.
likely he just said the 1st thing to sound good.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm
by ScalieDan
This is worth separating.
As far as I know, fracking is scientifically seen as not good.
Biden says to follow science.
Well... >_>
To not have it one sided, some problems with Biden
Tax, already mentioned.
His stupid remark of you ain't black (which isn't racism but gatekeeping btw. Very different. Still horrible. But given most blacks voted Bideb by a lot, yeah other side is worse).
Biden's behaviour: He is known to go very personal as in, close to you. There is a picture of him kissing a girl on the cheek but not nice way I guess. So people accuse him of child molestation.
Supposedly his son has child pornography and a sexual picture with Biden and a Child is there (so if allegations on both sides are true, USA voted Child molestation vs Rape cases, gotta love the terrible line up xd).
Fracking as mentioned.
Immigration: He is too relaxed with it. It's important that these are well executed and he sounds too loss in policies where it's not directly a crime to just go there (though maybe wording was bad, I just see an issue here as well.)
Immigration poltics are big in Germany so I have Biden, Trump and Merkel to hate on this lol.
Biden is harder to understand, his age is very visible. Not stuttering but like, incomprehensible sentences at times.
Biden's attention: In an interview? or talk idk how the name of it was, he randomly stopped to great someone. Ok, yes polite but that's not good in how he did it.
Also, I will just note it, in past he was against marriage equality but now is for it. Changes are cool, but you always wonder if the change was just show..

There are probably dozens more issues for both of them. I just wanted to give some stuff on Biden's side cause it's usually Trump heavy...

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:01 pm
by Сым
ScalieDan wrote: Trump and his administration banned trans soldiers. Even they did good or saved people.
This decision makes a lot of sense to me. Transgenders tend to ask for social benefits to the point they become disadvantages to other people themselves, and I don't think their tears have their place into military. The ban could have positive effects on the other soldiers who may not want to work with them too, and not just because they have something else to do than taking care of people who are less mentally stable.
Hunchman801 wrote: Are you referring to the families of illegal aliens? There are laws that have to be respected, and people illegally immigrating into a country willingly expose themselves and their children to such situations, and are ultimately responsible for this. What if there were no immigration laws and the entire third world suddenly moved to the US? Well the country would become part of the third world itself, and no one would be better off. I actually find it baffling how some people believe they're entitled to moving wherever they want when they often have very little to bring to the table themselves.
The concern is what they bring on to the table the most: higher crime rates. Ethnic statistics, which I personally find useful to address the root of many problems, have proven as an example the black population in the USA commits more than half of the crimes while remaining a minority… :mryellow:

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:08 pm
by ScalieDan
Сым wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:01 pm
ScalieDan wrote: Trump and his administration banned trans soldiers. Even they did good or saved people.
This decision makes a lot of sense to me. Transgenders tend to ask for social benefits to the point they become disadvantages to other people themselves, and I don't think their tears have their place into military. The ban could have positive effects on the other soldiers who may not want to work with them too, and not just because they have something else to do than taking care of people who are less mentally stable.
Hunchman801 wrote: Are you referring to the families of illegal aliens? There are laws that have to be respected, and people illegally immigrating into a country willingly expose themselves and their children to such situations, and are ultimately responsible for this. What if there were no immigration laws and the entire third world suddenly moved to the US? Well the country would become part of the third world itself, and no one would be better off. I actually find it baffling how some people believe they're entitled to moving wherever they want when they often have very little to bring to the table themselves.
The concern is what they bring on to the table the most: higher crime rates. Ethnic statistics, which I personally find useful to address the root of many problems, have proven as an example the black population in the USA commits more than half of the crimes while remaining a minority… :mryellow:
well that's why you should actually look into the trans ban.
Trans soldiers have like anyone, requirements to join.
They need to show to be stable, strong, endure and all that stuff. They worked successfully in the past and military officers stated to have lost good working people from this.

Also, reasoning "it makes others uncomfortable" is just saying "please discriminate further, we don't want to be fair right now".

You do not solve an issue by promoting discrimination.
The ACTUAL arguments for the ban are as follows

In Military it's important to be stable at all times with no strings attached to it that are to be worried. Due to trans often having medicine prescribed this may fall under "need of drugs to function" side. Which is usually not allowed as you need to be able to work without any of that for extended periods of time.

Issue is, this doesn't apply to all, it isn't always a thing that can lead to bad results and similar.
Public people often like to argue they just do it because militar helps them transitioning. Though everybody disregards that they all need to even make it in and are then under duty.

Also, there are videos on the "crime rates" in USA that people should watch before saying things like the unproportional amount of crimes done by blacks. Because if you look into it, which I did for a good chunk of hours, the view shifts drastically...

But I think these 2 topics are not in spirit of the question asked. Thoughts on election.

I might add, I mentioned both candidates have horrible charges to deal with.
When I said "more humanistic" Almost anyone is more humanistic than both of these. I said it in a comparative sense.
To be clear.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:14 pm
by Hunchman801
PluMGMK wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:33 pm Re trans soldiers, you don't remember this? viewtopic.php?p=1223273#p1223273 :fou:
I didn't, but thanks for reminding me. :lol:
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm Trump and his administration banned trans soldiers. Even they did good or saved people. A trans person *can no longer* serve for America. If you want I can go into the reasons uses to ban it abd counters.
Edit: Better wording, it's now insanely hard as you need to get Lucky and find a place where they simply allow it. These exist but it's tough...
I'm still curious as to what the rationale is for this. I understand that they don't want to pay for gender reassignment treatments and surgery, even if they represent a minuscule fraction of the army's budget (else I might as well ask for all sorts of plastic surgery, adding up to hundreds of thousands, and that would be all right because, well, it's nothing compared to those hundreds of billions?), but was a ban necessary, then? :mefiant:
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm Humanism cares for humans, while it isn't telling you how exactly politics are run, you are caring for humans always. Trump doesn't.
ScalieDan wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:08 pm When I said "more humanistic" Almost anyone is more humanistic than both of these. I said it in a comparative sense.
To be clear.
It's slightly more complicated than this, though. Harari describes humanism as the religion of the modern era, and it means much more than just caring for humans. In fact, I strongly believe that you can't have it all, and that individualist and collectivist humanisms are not compatible, or at least that you have to find a middle ground between the two. There's always the example of whether you'd kill a child to save millions of other people from a horrible death: the individualist humanist won't, but the pragmatic one will.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm Fracking is mostly bad as it damages the earth, the stability too much. There is more evidence suggesting the damage is not worth it at all. We should focus on stabil solutions. Hence why I disagree with Biden.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm As far as I know, fracking is scientifically seen as not good.
Biden says to follow science.
It is not my impression that there is a scientific consensus on the environmental impact of fracking, especially when you take into account the burning of dirtier fossil fuels instead, but it's probably too specific a subject to discuss here. Maybe later when the election is settled!
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm Biden's saying of "You ain't black" is far less than Trump saying to a born American black congress woman to go home to their country and fix it.
Literally racism at its finest. There are also a TON of racist allegations (some with transcriptions) but imo his racist Tweet is the worst of the worst with highest truth value (as it's literally from Trump himself)
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm His stupid remark of you ain't black (which isn't racism but gatekeeping btw. Very different. Still horrible. But given most blacks voted Bideb by a lot, yeah other side is worse).
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm I already mentioned the racism and if you die hard want me I can attemlt to find other racist cases (alleged as proving racism epistemology wise is really hard).
I just checked the tweet in question and Trump is specifically addressing democrat congresswomen not born in the United States, and therefore targeting them on the basis of their origin, not their race. It's arguably xenophobic, but I don't see the racism here. Biden's statement, on the other hand, clearly shows prejudice against a person based on their ethnic origin, in this case that they would (and should) vote for him, and this fits the definition of racism you'll find in the dictionary. I'm also curious to hear about those "other racist cases".
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm Xenophobia, his distaste to specific muslim immigrants and Mexicans to an *unreasonable* degree. It's ok to dislike Islam and a good chunk of muslims due to different views, but I personally know good muslims who migrated to Germany. His approach is to put all under 1 aspect. He also wanted to build a wall as you probably know lol.
He also seems to be a bit in a fight with Chinese but not big statements made by him. Well China is economy foe so... yeah.
Yeah, the battle with China is purely economic. Now what makes you say Trump has anything against Muslims and Mexicans?
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm As for Trump being a security risk, his business is actually in a lot of debt and he is doing business with foreign powers. Now doing business is 100% ok, even with foreign powers.
However, being in debt means you can be pressured. The FBI relationship is the following.
FBI is known to make background checks to avoid you being in danger of pressure or emotional manipulation. Trump is actually pressureable. This is NOT good.
Well, that's a shady accusation at best. Has the FBI published anything that supports this claim?
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm Tax reform: Biden is one of the people at fault for the terrible tax system in USA. He was Vice-president iirc (or a similar strong position in politics). If he is doing tax reform (different % for example) I fear it will get worse.
Can you elaborate and what's wrong with their tax system and how Biden would make it worse?
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm As for immigration, no he (Trump) legitimately build horrible centers for immigration families and certain processes even forced them to split children and parents. You may have heard about the many children who lost their parents and are essentially orphans now. (not really but practically for now).

I agree immigration laws are important but the system Trump used got compared to concentration camps. Of course this comparison is pretty bad but yeah, the system is bad and not ok.
Also, I see it as very bad as nothing should allow you to split and hurt children. In Germany the law above all immigration laws is to keep family together. We even watched a german documentary about a case where this very law got broken. It's pretty sickening. Children have done nothing. They don't deserve these things.
Like you said, comparing those camps to the atrocities of the Nazi regime is at best factually wrong, and quite tasteless to say the least. Now if children find themselves in a situation where their parents are deported from a country due to entering it or staying there illegally, then they should have the option to go back with them. If a kid's parents commit a crime and go to prison, should we give them a free pass because, look, their kids need them? Families don't even have to be split anyway.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:06 pm As for sexual orientation.
This was a very big supreme court case that was very big in news.
A case (idk who actually brought it to supreme court) argued that the federal laws protecting sex (as in male/female and if you are using Germany's views, diverse) edit: (finishing sentence oops) that this law should cover same sex discrimination (like firing due to relationship)

Trump urged supreme court to not rule that this protects same sex couples. The court actually ruled that they are protected now (the way they argued was actually insanely well done. I never expected such reasoning but I guess they are the supreme court for a reason).
I really don't know what Trumo is on.
He says "I will help ban conversion therapy everywhere" (paraphrased) yet promoted religious freedom (American version, where you cab use religion to discriminate. Not France's approach).
And also wants job providers to fire gays for having a partner.
likely he just said the 1st thing to sound good.
I'm still not sure I understand what's going on here, do you have any links handy to illustrate this?
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm Biden's behaviour: He is known to go very personal as in, close to you. There is a picture of him kissing a girl on the cheek but not nice way I guess. So people accuse him of child molestation.
Supposedly his son has child pornography and a sexual picture with Biden and a Child is there (so if allegations on both sides are true, USA voted Child molestation vs Rape cases, gotta love the terrible line up xd).
Those sound like lowly and baseless accusations, I don't think there's any reason to believe he or anyone from his family is a pedophile.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm Immigration: He is too relaxed with it. It's important that these are well executed and he sounds too loss in policies where it's not directly a crime to just go there (though maybe wording was bad, I just see an issue here as well.)
Immigration poltics are big in Germany so I have Biden, Trump and Merkel to hate on this lol.
Tell me about it, France wasn't spared either.
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm Biden is harder to understand, his age is very visible. Not stuttering but like, incomprehensible sentences at times.
Not that Trump is any easier to understand, at times. :lol:
ScalieDan wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 5:38 pm Also, I will just note it, in past he was against marriage equality but now is for it. Changes are cool, but you always wonder if the change was just show..
Honestly he's probably just as opportunistic as everyone else.
ScalieDan wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:08 pm Also, there are videos on the "crime rates" in USA that people should watch before saying things like the unproportional amount of crimes done by blacks. Because if you look into it, which I did for a good chunk of hours, the view shifts drastically...
Maybe you can summarize them for us?

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:44 pm
by ScalieDan
Hunchman801 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:14 pm I just checked the tweet in question and Trump is specifically addressing democrat congresswomen not born in the United States, and therefore targeting them on the basis of their origin, not their race. It's arguably xenophobic, but I don't see the racism here. Biden's statement, on the other hand, clearly shows prejudice against a person based on their ethnic origin, in this case that they would (and should) vote for him, and this fits the definition of racism you'll find in the dictionary. I'm also curious to hear about those "other racist cases".
You are aware one of the most common racist comments is "you are black, your country is shit and you do not belong here."
Making this tweet indeed racist. And also not really arguably but directly xenophobic at the VERY least. Given she got the position fair and square.

Also no, racism is defined as a negative view (like inferior or worse based on skin) what he said was strictly about voting habit. It's classified as gatekeeping. Reason is that Trump's racism should tell any black to not vote Trump. So idea is that you haven't experienced racism/you weren't black.

So yeah, it's definitely not racist as it isn't about race but political judgement. clear distinction. And given I work in this area, the dictionary definition does not say this is racism.
It is, however, invalidating the person and alao discriminatory against republican political position.
Which is bad yeah. But dictionary strictly says the prejudice must be on the base of genetic attribution (classical racism, ethnic racism and such are a bit more complicated) and he used political positions to make the call.
Hunchman801 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:14 pm Yeah, the battle with China is purely economic. Now what makes you say Trump has anything against Muslims and Mexicans?
heavy targeted attempts of exclusion in immigration processes even though individuals vary. He is arbitrary harsh as they are from different cultures. Not American in spirit. Some hate I see but he extends it to a xenophobic level. Though iirc he kinda gave up on both of these. As you note for example, wall didn't happen.
Hunchman801 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:14 pm Well, that's a shady accusation at best. Has the FBI published anything that supports this claim?
his tax returns got shared alongside how he evaded them. Using debt substraction. Which was then found out how much debt he is in. We talk about many millions in business overall over long periods of times. Legal Eagle has a more in depth video about the taxes and the info they gave.
As stated, it's known how the FBI operates so if you go by their Standard Trump is a security risk.
Hunchman801 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:14 pm If a kid's parents commit a crime and go to prison, should we give them a free pass because, look, their kids need them? Families don't even have to be split anyway.
families above all? right? And Trump isn't doing what he must. Imo. Biden promised to help here at least.
Hunchman801 wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 6:14 pm Maybe you can summarize them for us?
I will look around for some of key sources to bring the "rabbit hole" starting. Non of these sources will seal the deal but hopefully encourage more research. I can't find sources I found years ago so easily.

with fracking I might look into it as well

As for taxes, as far as I was alble to tell the taxes pressure middle class and less other classes.

The thing is, Middle class in USA has massive amounts of debt. USA is one of the most in debt countries and a lot of citizens are in debt. I had such a discussion before months ago and they showed this issue.
Taxes should be more put onto the rich because legitimately, debt is an insane problem there.

Yes this can cause rich people to move away etc. but I think analysing the best tax methods in a Rayman forum meanwhile not even experts found a stabile tax system~ I pass lol.

What I fear is that he will make middle class suffer more.

(I didn't quote last one as scrolling is annoying. I try my best but quoting on Mobile is a nightmare xD).

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:34 pm
by ScalieDan
Security risk
https://youtu.be/28yrkIzVXys
https://youtu.be/tNn0v1duMeI
Watch more obviously but these ate a good start.
Racism
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ts/588067/

just happened upon a great article... https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/tru ... ri18n=true

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/ ... sm-history

Obviously look more into it please.

USA statistical issues on "black crimes"
https://youtu.be/dNo-A55rJ8s
Short hand, Statistics have origins, we have centuries of biased systems against blacks. Might cause bias.

Let alone the "blacks on blacks" crime rate thing. All hella complicated.

On a note, both Trump and Biden are not really "good people" to bring economy back so when I mention humanism, part of it is that there isn't much left to hope for me besides at least social stuff. Idk how both of these can be very competent here. Trump certainly isn't known for great economy given what we know about his... debts...


a bit about Xenophobia
https://progressive.org/op-eds/trump-xe ... en-200417/
Identical report found here too
https://www.pacificcouncil.org/newsroom ... ate-crisis
and some points made here
https://politicsofpoverty.oxfamamerica. ... -pandemic/
would say racism has a stronger case than xenophobia, however it's hard not to call him that atm...
Though you can say the racist tweet was also the biggest xenophobic one has here his attitude which is "xenophobic like" causes more (so reported)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 72736?s=20

As I noted before, I'm not the type of person that generalizes. I do not like this. Btw, if it wasn't for the fact that people view Islam/muslims as an ethnic group I would have called it religious discrimination but yeah, it's very ethnic heavy by now.

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-35036567
also this happened apparently.

To Mexicans
https://time.com/4473972/donald-trump-m ... ng-insult/
I mean you may say "well it's more like ethnicitist". Ok fair.

lastly
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2015 ... ey-issues/
A pro cons side on fracking.

Edit: I just noticed I missed one topic completely. The Supreme Court case.
Well let's summaries why this was so huge and why Trump is bad here.
In America there are limited groups which are protected everywhere. If you were in a same sex relationship employees were legally ok to fire you for being in such a relationship. These cases existed and many times people tried to sue. I guess one of those cases finally got to supreme court.
Now you surely know how big of a deal a supreme court decision is. It's essentially THE call. While supreme court doesn't make law, their decision power is essentially that of a lawmaker.
In the court case they ruled that discrimination on the bases of relationship/sexual orientation is covered under the section protecting "sex" (male female).
Before this decision however, Trump urged them to not say these relationships are protected.
What is weird is how Trump pretended to care for this group by campaigning to end conversion therapy globally way before all of this happened.
I mean given he did essentially nothing here, I would say this was also just a stunt claim. In truth he would discriminate it seems.
Maybe this is clear now?

All links should be seen as encouragement to look into it more rather than a clear cut prove as these topics are not child play 😅

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:43 pm
by hoodlumsworld
So it looks like Biden finally secured his 'victory'?

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 7:09 pm
by ScalieDan
hoodlumsworld wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:43 pm So it looks like Biden finally secured his 'victory'?
if "The Associated Press" is accurate with how many votes have been count Biden indeed won mathematically on popular votes as well as electorial college votes.

From what I have been told where I ask around non of Biden's leads that matter are small enough where a recount would change the result.

So
More votes are left then thought
or
Fraud
or
Gigantic historical miscount
must be.

All of which are very low probability.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 8:46 pm
by Steo
There's so much going on with Philadelphia that it's kind of a waiting game as to what's going on. Trump is kicking up a hell of a fuss about it anyway.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:16 pm
by PluMGMK
I found it kinda funny today when I realized that the term "President Elect" gets applied to whomever CNN (and the other networks) call it for, even though technically, there's not gonna be a President Elect until the college votes next month. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just funny…

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 10:05 pm
by ScalieDan
PluMGMK wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:16 pm I found it kinda funny today when I realized that the term "President Elect" gets applied to whomever CNN (and the other networks) call it for, even though technically, there's not gonna be a President Elect until the college votes next month. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it's just funny…
I'm very unsure about this but from what I know how these votes are distributed is regulated by tge state and the media (at least The Associated Press) calculates using those states where not all go to the winner of most votes in a state.

There is legal duty for others to give it all to one mostly.

I might be wrong here but I think the results we got to see attempt to also use these factors.

Edit: I think I found a picture that shows the maximum difference expected? (I can't attach a picture. Something fails whenever I upload it...)

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:06 am
by Adsolution
Oh lovely, the Reddit mod is a troll. :mrgreen:
Сым wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:01 pmTransgenders tend to ask for social benefits to the point they become disadvantages to other people themselves
Do they? To what point? Estradiol tablets are cheaper than most standard prescription medication, and you can just buy it over the counter, and women need to purchase these regularly for other reasons. If you're referring to surgery, what about any other kind of surgery? If you're implying cosmetic surgeries should not be covered, SRS is not typically considered cosmetic.
Сым wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:01 pmThe ban could have positive effects on the other soldiers who may not want to work with them too, and not just because they have something else to do than taking care of people who are less mentally stable.
You perceive the psychology backwards: While dysphoria plays a part obviously, this manifests as depression, and people typically sign up out of passion (or having little choice, in which case they shouldn't be there if they didn't want to be). The idea of the military for many trans people is actually an inherently safe space since armies disavow sexual conduct. You are just soldiers, gender and orientation are to be left at the doorstep.

a) If you signed up to the army with hopes of expressing your gender identity, you're deluded, and I hope they detect this on your psyche evaluation.

b) If you signed up to the army with the hopes you can learn, fight, and be treated as an equal soldier with everyone else stripped of their sexual identity like you always were, then that's exactly what they want. I don't see why erratic depressive behaviour would exist any more regularly in this folks than in regular folks, unless they're getting bullied big time, and unfortunately, bullying exists in the military towards transgender people, because it's a given it would.

If you agree with everything I said and your solution is to simply not let them in so they don't get bullied and become less functional soldiers as a result, then I don't agree.
Сым wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:01 pmThe concern is what they bring on to the table the most: higher crime rates. Ethnic statistics, which I personally find useful to address the root of many problems, have proven as an example the black population in the USA commits more than half of the crimes while remaining a minority… :mryellow:
Сым wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 3:01 pm:mryellow:

Hunchman801 wrote: I actually find it baffling how some people believe they're entitled to moving wherever they want when they often have very little to bring to the table themselves.
Obviously there should be restrictions of some kind, but can't you use the same argument to deport homeless people? :mrgreen:

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:17 pm
by Сым
Adsolution wrote: If you're implying cosmetic surgeries should not be covered, SRS is not typically considered cosmetic.
The biggest issue with covering sexual reassignments is their costs, and this same money gambled over them could be used to contribute to way more important projects such as scientific researches. Don't get me wrong though, I realize these things have a lot of importance for the people who feel concerned, but in the end isn't trying to change your appearance more or less completely optional? That would be the same thing as covering surgeries people do because they want to look younger or because they don't like their physical appearance, and these things should never become a priority as they have no positive impact on the progress of a society's development.

Re: Politics - your views

Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:28 pm
by Adsolution
ScalieDan wrote: Fri Nov 06, 2020 4:08 pmAlso, there are videos on the "crime rates" in USA that people should watch before saying things like the unproportional amount of crimes done by blacks. Because if you look into it, which I did for a good chunk of hours, the view shifts drastically...
Indeed... I mean, BLM obviously formed for a reason.

Lower class rural American towns find exceptionally bored police forces. Racial profiling up the wazoo, they get them to turn on each other, I mean -- it's hardly anecdotal when you can look up literally hundreds of instances of exploitation at the hands of officers with video evidence on YouTube/LiveLeak. Not just like 5 or 10, but hundreds throughout the country, and those just the ones people had a camera out for. Like two more viddied George Floyds have happened since George Floyd.

They're honestly some of the most terrifying things I've ever seen - they've left me with nightmares.

Most black american families have roots in slavery just 150 years ago, and they've only had equal education or opportunity or financial rights for 50 years. A lot of young black people in the country today still have parents who didn't go to school.

We don't really have blacks in Canada but we've had some parallels with the native community - my aunt is native and she can't read or write and doesn't know what multiplication is. How is she supposed to even speak to a police officer about anything properly? They could just get her to admit to anything they want, arrest her and be done with their quota for the day. This almost happened to her a few years back when she was volunteering to help pick up syringes off the street for community service, because she's an angel, and they tried to accuse her of using them, and family had to step in to defend her.

Are some Europeans people under the assumption black americans are just a bunch of savages?
Сым wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:17 pm
I just stated SRS is typically not considered cosmetic, because no, it isn't like arbitrarily changing your appearance, it's more comparable to having a deformity fixed that stops you from being able to function properly, or even have sex. The issue is most people don't understand what transgender people actually feel or go through - at all - so they hugely, hugely underplay the psychological aspects of it, and those are not up for debate - not to mention the physical hormone imbalance present in many trans people which affects the way their brain and its own sexuality develop.

No one would ever spend all their time gathering every last scrap of cash for 5-10 years as some do to save up for a single surgery in your pants no one but you and your partners will see if it wasn't literally the most important, urgent thing for them in life at the moment, and the argument they haven't tried to find other mental solutions after all that time is mislead. No one would do this just for cosmetic reasons, or would take pills to alter their hormone balance if it didn't cause significant physiological relief. Trans people proport mental fog from having to live with their birth hormones which actively fight how their mind is wired to think, resulting in immense relief once hormone therapy is started to provide a complete reversal, and surgery even takes this a step further to stop them from naturally producing the wrong hormones (and hopefully in the future, to naturally produce the right ones, and to be able to reproduce).

And then you act like these people aren't few and far between - even though they are - as if the meagre couple million dollars spent on trans care each year is what we should be defunding - specific care aimed at a tiny percentage of the population, many of whom would just commit suicide if they had no other option - instead of defunding something actually wasteful and stupid. Besides, surgeries are so expensive because they're difficult and complicated and one tiny mistake could screw up their patient's life, not because they consume resources (beyond anesthesia or transplants/bone implants), so why not go ask surgeons to donate what they make instead? :tssk:

That argument: "the money should go to scientific research instead" is such an oddly specific one I only see thrown around the trashiest, lowest-functioning anti-SJW incel boards and servers out there.