Sonic the Hedgehog

[sonicbrawler182]

Define reboot in this instance, OCG, each Sonic cartoon has taken place in their own continuities, separate from the game series and other cartoons. While it is true that Sonic X adapted Adventure's 1 and 2 into its story, it certainly took its own liberties (Chris Thorndike for instance and the Metarex), to the extent where it too does seem to be its own universe.

In Sonic X's case, it's not necessarily a different universe. Think of the Sonic games like the Harry Potter books, and Sonic X like Harry Potter movies. Same universe, just adapted to better suit a different form of media.

And about the new Sonic cartoon, if you are turned off by MLP creators working on it, then calm down for a sec.

The people working on the Sonic cartoon have only done a bit of writing for about 5 or so episodes of MLP. And apparently, the reaction to those episodes by MLP fans was mixed anyway. This says nothing about the art style of the show, the voice cast, and not even much about the writing.
What we DO know, is that the show will be light hearted with a focus on comedy, and the 5 main characters will be Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy Rose, and Dr.Eggman.

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I have a worry that it's pretty much going Teen Titans Go! but with Sonic. I loved the original Teen Titans, but Go is just, I can't even describe.

[Rayfist]

Ignorant? Have you seen how horrible the Sonic fanbase is? Now I do like Sonic, I really do, don't get me wrong, this is why I'm getting Lost Worlds, and I've seen some great fans of the series, but for fuck sakes, we can't argue the fact that Sonic has one of the most noteable cringe-worthy fanbases. Oh don't believe me? How about Chris-Chan? Does that ring a bell to you? Calling me ignorant for something that's blatantly true is meaningless, I like Sonic, I don't hate him, but Sonic has been notorious for having an awful fanbase.

I wouldn't compare the Rayman and Sonic fanbase together, while the Rayman fanbase does have some obsessive people, from what I've mostly seen, this community has proven to be very intelligent unlike other forums, not implying we always are, but out of the few forums I've been to RPC seriously shines in the fandom, I'm happy to be part of the Rayman fanbase. I've seen some fantastic Sonic fans, like the one who created the generations project, but lets face it most fans of the Sonic fanbase are awful, and as I've said, take a look around. Deviantart has produced some of the most ugly art, drawn in MS paint by lazy effortless, 6-9 year old Sonic fans. I like Sonic, please don't take it like that, I even have some Generation videos upload to youtube. Which Generations did end up being my second favorite Sonic game, please don't think I hate Sonic, I do like him, but I think the Sonic fanbase has proven to be the worst. Still don't believe me? Google 'Sonic Brainfart' and watch the whole series on youtube. Even if Sonic does have it's absolute messed up fans, those individuals are some of the worst, my point is, you see the obsessive Rayman fans, yet they don't go as far as the extent to some of the Sonic fans have. Again, Chris-chan is a perfect example, if you can find me anyone like Chris-Chan in the Rayman fanbase, I'll give you a golf clap. Listen, I have no problem with the 'majority', I'm not counting numbers, but most of the small 'obsessive' fans, go to such far lengths to try to defend there fanbase, they look really bad.

Why would you assume the majority of fans are of the bad kind, when in reality, most of them are actually very innovative, and often get to work directly with Sega in making Sonic games?

"Innovative"

And while I know the Homestuck fandom is genuinely kind of bad in a way (way too many over obsessive fans who literally treat the comic as more real than life itself. I fell out with someone I loved dearly in part because of this), many of the fans still produce great artwork, ORIGINAL music that actually gets used in the comic's flashes, great animations, and a lot of them are very talented students of literature.

I didn't bring up anything about the art for Homestuck, as I have seen some gorgeous art for it. But ask my bud Adsolution here (not to drag you in or anything). My friend who is absolutely obsessed with Homestuck proves to be how bad the fanbase is, shouting obnoxious quotes from the comic that aren't even slightly funny. I don't see the appeal in Homestuck, I read the first few chapters, I was told over and over again 'it gets better, it gets better', it didn't get better. Homestuck is just a stupid fad that will eventually fade into obscurity, it's nothing new. However I can see some parts of HS doing some truly innovative things, for the most part though, the webcomic seems paper flat to me, I think the jokes are extremely childish as well. (except the Nic Cage one I liked that.)

Every fandom has a negative side, but really think carefully before you say the majority are terrible.

Did I say ANYTHING about the majority? No, it doesn't have to be the majority, it can be just those few individuals. Of course every fandom will have its ups and downs, POINT IN HAND, SONIC HAS THE MOST of those, what part of that are you not realizing? I've seen some rather sickening Rayman fans, but not as sickening as the Sonic fanbase, go watch Chris-Chan, all of his videos.

Please don't assume I'm calling the fanbase completely shit, I know there are some great fans out there, and I do love few Sonic games, but I can't stand the fanboys of the series, the problem is as I've stated, the Sonic fanbase has been notorious for being awful, not that the games are bad of course not, but the fanbase is terrible, I stick to that statement. Though I will admit, the fanbase has cooled down a bit, I remember the fanbase being really hectic sometime around 2010, oh jesus.

Sorry guys, a mod should move this to the "sonic" thread, if that's okay.
http://raymanpc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8398

[Master]

True, but I'd rather they be separate, even with the adaptations of the Adventure titles, I feel that Sonic X deserves to be its own thing, I ought to rewatch the Metarex arc sometime, it was rather interesting to see Sonic go all Sci-Fi like that.

[sonicbrawler182]

By saying "X fandom is bad", you are saying the majority. You said this about all above fandoms. I'm not even going to read all of your post because you've already proved ignorance, so I can safely assume that your posting of that fan character and such is just more of that. Plus, two can play the ignorant game.

The logic you are using is much like saying "I saw one black person attack someone, therefore all black people are bad". A negative minority is NOT representative of the majority. Again, there is a reason why Sonic fans have been hired by Sega for work, time and time again.

You know the 2011 port of Sonic CD and the recent mobile port of Sonic 1, and the soon to be released mobile port of Sonic 2?
Yeah, thank the fan base for those, they are literally made by long time members of Sonic Retro. Support those releases, and we may get a nice remaster of Sonic 3 & Knuckles too!

If you are seriously trying to use Chris Chan and random recolours (those exist in every fandom, BTW, it's hardly of particular connection to the Sonic fandom), then you are seriously, seriously ignorant of the talent that the Sonic fandom is comprised of. Don't even get me to start posting examples, I would be here all day.

I don't mean to sound rude, but it bothers me greatly when people call the majority of a fandom bad based on something that's common to all fandoms anyway. Same goes for Homestuck and MLP. And I can say this as someone who literally lost the person I loved most, in part because of Homestuck. Even I won't call the majority of that fandom terrible.

EDIT: I swear it's like a curse that any forum I touch becomes a Sonic forum. Even if I don't initiate the Sonic conversations.

[Master]

Hm, seeing as this seems to be getting a little too off the rails, may I suggest you fellows continue in the Sonic thread?

[sonicbrawler182]

Hm, seeing as this seems to be getting a little too off the rails, may I suggest you fellows continue in the Sonic thread?

I don't think it needs to even be continued there, the discussion wasn't so much about Sonic as much as it was about bad fandoms.

Though the points I was making above apply to the Rayman fandom as well. There are bad apples, but you guys generate some great content.

EDIT: An example of which would be this. This has probably been posted here before, but it's awesome regardless (also how does one embed YouTube videos here):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNJ1JMuo5SQ

[Rayfist]

So you claim to have not read all of my post and now saying I am ignorant because of that? And now you're assuming towards something I didn't state after admitting you didn't read my post... and I'm ignorant? No, if you read my post, I stated that I think the Sonic fanbase truly has a lot of great fans, but mostly childish fans, look at Samothethief, a member here by Cairnie even has a boyfriend who is a Sonic fan who is extremely talented with animation and such. Think before you type 'I didn't read all of that' and 'you're ignorant' in the same sentence.

The logic you are using is much like saying "I saw one black person attack someone, therefore all black people are bad". A negative minority is NOT representative of the majority. Again, there is a reason why Sonic fans have been hired by Sega for work, time and time again.

Comparing African Americans to a fanbase. My point is, that the fanbase has proven to be notoriously bad, I don't care 'you shouldn't harshly judge the fanbase because of a few people' (which is far from the truth since a LOT of Sonic fans are like that), it doesn't matter, even if it is a small amount of fans the shit a lot of these individuals did is unbelievably bad. As to Sonic fans being hired by Sega? That's good! Thats the part of the good fanbase, which in a lot of cases, is really rare, especially around sites like Deviantart.

If you are seriously trying to use Chris Chan and random recolours (those exist in every fandom, BTW, it's hardly of particular connection to the Sonic fandom), then you are seriously, seriously ignorant of the talent that the Sonic fandom is comprised of. Don't even get me to start posting examples, I would be here all day.

Don't deny this, where is recolors most seen, and used for as an example? Sonic. Why? Because it's happened to Sonic SO MANY TIMES. How am I ignorant of the talented part of the Sonic fanbase? I literally supported Samothethiefs unleashed projects all the way. Chris-Chan is a PERFECT example! Want more? Sammyclassicsonicfan, Chase, Michaeldragon800, Guptill89, Alix Henriol, I COULD GO ON.

I don't mean to sound rude, but it bothers me greatly when people call the majority of a fandom bad based on something that's common to all fandoms anyway. Same goes for Homestuck and MLP. And I can say this as someone who literally lost the person I loved most, in part because of Homestuck. Even I won't call the majority of that fandom terrible.

Look, one of my best friends is a Homestuck fan, I have nothing against him liking it, but I have asked why. When we refer to how bad the fanbase is, we refer to the majority of that fanbase, and I think that's the point you're missing, there are some truly amazing parts of the Sonic fanbase but a big percentage of bad fans have proven to be quite common along youtube, deviantart (can't say Sonicretro since I have seen some good fans there), tumblr, facebook, you name it.

Please think before you call me 'ignorant', seriously. It's not being 'ignorant' for observing most of the fanbases behavior, and how they react. It's like how the big percentage of Grand Theft Auto players are little kids, obviously maybe the game has amazing fans, but it's still got a lot of horrible fans.

[Master]

Hm, seeing as this seems to be getting a little too off the rails, may I suggest you fellows continue in the Sonic thread?

[sonicbrawler182]

I'll respond to that in the Sonic topic.

Le sigh.

[Rayfist]

Hm, seeing as this seems to be getting a little too off the rails, may I suggest you fellows continue in the Sonic thread?

My apologies, I missed your earlier post, I'll check the Sonic thread after piano lessons.

[Master]

Hm, curiously, it seems Brawler's first post in your little debate has seemingly disappeared.

[Rayfist]

Sorry, I'll be leaving in 5 minutes, though I'll return to reply to Brawler

[sonicbrawler182]

Don't deny this, where is recolors most seen, and used for as an example? Sonic. Why? Because it's happened to Sonic SO MANY TIMES. How am I ignorant of the talented part of the Sonic fanbase? I literally supported Samothethiefs unleashed projects all the way. Chris-Chan is a PERFECT example! Want more? Sammyclassicsonicfan, Chase, Michaeldragon800, Guptill89, Alix Henriol, I COULD GO ON.

This is the only part I really need respond to, as it covers what I want to say enough.

I kind of used a poor choice of words, my apoligies, I leaped before I looked. It was incorrect of me to say you are ignorant of the positive side of the fan base, however, I do think you are over-emphasizing the negative side. I don't think Youtube commentors or some infamous recolour artists compare to the genuine talent within the fandom. The former I (and many others) would toss their hands at and hardly pay any attention to, while the latter would get our loyal attention and we care greatly about them.

I'll admit there was a time where the Sonic fan base was the worst thing, but like the franchise itself, they've cleaned up their act. Things like Chris Chan are in the past to many people now, but things like mods and fan games, soundtracks, fan x Sega collabs, animations, and great artwork are an ongoing event. That's why the positive side of the fanbase outshines the negative side for me. The negative minority are just very vocal and obnoxious, which makes them seem larger than they actually are.

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Sonic Lost World's theme Wonder World has been released. I doubt it's the full version, but it's pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbZgid5Aww

[Rayfist]

I think you're finally bringing up good points now, before you were blatantly calling me 'ignorant' making me feel as if you were saying I hate Sonic. I did admit the fanbase is a LOT better than it was before. But I do think I agree with you now.

Sonic Lost World's theme Wonder World has been released. I doubt it's the full version, but it's pretty good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTbZgid5Aww]

Hm... I do like this, but I think I like the Sonic Colors theme more, this is a bit disappointing, though I have to say, the music does seem very Mario Galaxy-ish, I like it.

[Bradandez]

Lost World is looking really good.

[Keane]

"Innovative"

You've barely seen the outer border.

[Zikken]

You've barely seen the outer border.

This gotta go fast picture is legendary.

[Bradandez]

The face just says "Kill Me"