Talk:Bad Rayman - Revision history

RayCarrot at 10:49, 2 February 2017

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	*[[Rayman DSi]] - Here he is also named "Dark Rayman".		*[[Rayman DSi]] - Here he is also named "Dark Rayman".
	*[[Rayman Classic]] - An [[List of achievements in Rayman Classic\|achievement]] calls him "Bad Rayman".		*[[Rayman Classic]] - An [[List of achievements in Rayman Classic\|achievement]] calls him "Bad Rayman".
	:I've heard some people mention him being named "Dark Rayman" in some PS1 and ~~Seg~~ Saturn manuals, but I haven't seen this myself, so I can't confirm that.		:I've heard some people mention him being named "Dark Rayman" in some PS1 and Sega Saturn manuals, but I haven't seen this myself, so I can't confirm that.

	:Overall it seems like "Bad Rayman" is the original name. In other discussions here on the wiki it's been decided to leave it like this and I don't see any reason why not to. There's no clear evidence towards his name being "Dark Rayman". If you however find some concrete evidence that'd be another thing, but right now it's mainly speculation.--[[File:Carrot signature.png\|75px\|link=User:Carrot-master]] 10:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)		:Overall it seems like "Bad Rayman" is the original name. In other discussions here on the wiki it's been decided to leave it like this and I don't see any reason why not to. There's no clear evidence towards his name being "Dark Rayman". If you however find some concrete evidence that'd be another thing, but right now it's mainly speculation.--[[File:Carrot signature.png\|75px\|link=User:Carrot-master]] 10:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon, in which the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist. Assuming the game ends up being covered by the Wiki, continually referring to the character as "Bad Rayman" would be a bit confusing. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon, in which the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist. Assuming the game ends up being covered by the Wiki, continually referring to the character as "Bad Rayman" would be a bit confusing. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]
			:First of all, Revenge of the Dark is a fan-game and shouldn't influence any major changes on the wiki. Regarding the idea of Bad/Dark Rayman being based of Dark Link is only speculation. Several similar types of "evil clones" of the main character have appeared in countless games and so on and this doesn't justify a name change in any way.

			:Now, looking at the facts, this is what I've got:
			*[[Rayman Junior]] - According to other users on this page it calls him "Bad Rayman".
			*[[Rayman Designer]] - Named "Bad Rayman" in the game.
			*[[Rayman GBC]] - Simply known as "a dark version" of Rayman, which would suggest "Dark Rayman" as the name.
			*[[Rayman Advance]] - Here he is named "Dark Rayman".
			*[[Rayman DSi]] - Here he is also named "Dark Rayman".
			*[[Rayman Classic]] - An [[List of achievements in Rayman Classic\|achievement]] calls him "Bad Rayman".
			:I've heard some people mention him being named "Dark Rayman" in some PS1 and Seg Saturn manuals, but I haven't seen this myself, so I can't confirm that.

			:Overall it seems like "Bad Rayman" is the original name. In other discussions here on the wiki it's been decided to leave it like this and I don't see any reason why not to. There's no clear evidence towards his name being "Dark Rayman". If you however find some concrete evidence that'd be another thing, but right now it's mainly speculation.--[[File:Carrot signature.png\|75px\|link=User:Carrot-master]] 10:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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	To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."		To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon, in which he character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist. Assuming the game ends up being covered by the Wiki, continually referring to the character as "Bad Rayman" would be a bit confusing. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon, in which the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist. Assuming the game ends up being covered by the Wiki, continually referring to the character as "Bad Rayman" would be a bit confusing. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]

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	To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."		To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon~~. If the game is to be considered canon~~, ~~the~~ character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, ~~which~~ would ~~make the title of this article~~ a bit ~~silly at that point~~. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon, in which he character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist. Assuming the game ends up being covered by the Wiki, continually referring to the character as "Bad Rayman" would be a bit confusing. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]

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	To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."		To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly at that point. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]

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 ::::::::::In my opinion,the easiest way to solve this is to leave Bad Rayman,DarkRay(he was already confirmed) and Raymesis(He looks totally like DarkRay) as the same characters and create a new page for the Dark Rayman from IL.
 ::::::::::I know there is a good reason why'd you think Bad Rayman and Dark Rayman are the same,but if Dark Rayman does what Bad Rayman did in the past,it doesn't automatically mean they are the same.If we go on the appearance way,I think that would the simplest path to solve this--[[User:TFDs39|TFDs39]]

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	To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."		To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly. -- [~~img]http~~://i.~~imgur~~.com/~~yYeBgyB.png[~~/~~img~~]		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly. --[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5nMFC7r5fHTOCD8qfR5pmA RayMedia]

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	To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."		To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly. --[img]~~https~~://~~lh3~~.~~googleusercontent~~.com/~~ILtUqp6nL3uRdJeFLBdWTHolIy5R9WKUjpp9eB7hkSX6skZwOGGYlA7poPJKwZcU5CSBjq2u2myx=s275-rw?pageId=112620644683672366071~~[/img]		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly. -- [img]http://i.imgur.com/yYeBgyB.png[/img]

Technology4617 at 03:43, 2 February 2017

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	To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."		To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

	Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly.		Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly. --[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ILtUqp6nL3uRdJeFLBdWTHolIy5R9WKUjpp9eB7hkSX6skZwOGGYlA7poPJKwZcU5CSBjq2u2myx=s275-rw?pageId=112620644683672366071[/img]

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	::::::::::In my opinion,the easiest way to solve this is to leave Bad Rayman,DarkRay(he was already confirmed) and Raymesis(He looks totally like DarkRay) as the same characters and create a new page for the Dark Rayman from IL.		::::::::::In my opinion,the easiest way to solve this is to leave Bad Rayman,DarkRay(he was already confirmed) and Raymesis(He looks totally like DarkRay) as the same characters and create a new page for the Dark Rayman from IL.
	::::::::::I know there is a good reason why'd you think Bad Rayman and Dark Rayman are the same,but if Dark Rayman does what Bad Rayman did in the past,it doesn't automatically mean they are the same.If we go on the appearance way,I think that would the simplest path to solve this--[[User:TFDs39\|TFDs39]]		::::::::::I know there is a good reason why'd you think Bad Rayman and Dark Rayman are the same,but if Dark Rayman does what Bad Rayman did in the past,it doesn't automatically mean they are the same.If we go on the appearance way,I think that would the simplest path to solve this--[[User:TFDs39\|TFDs39]]

			== Continued nitpicking over the title of the article. ==

			I find it odd that no one seems to have mentioned that "Dark Rayman," as presented in Rayman 1, is a parody of Dark Link from the Zelda series, in both appearance and behavior. This would seem to indicate that Dark Rayman would be the most appropriate title for the unnamed character.

			Reading the talk page, it seems that the reason for titling the article "Bad Rayman" seems to stem from something written in the manual for the British release of ''Rayman Brain Games''. The manual for a semi-obscure edutainment spinoff seems like a bit of an iffy source to me; I can't imagine the writers were paid very much for their trouble, and were likely translating from a French manuscript.

			To note, in the American copy of the game I have, the manual doesn't have any references to "Bad Rayman," though I'd like to point out that the Magician is intermittently and incorrectly referred to as "the Wizard."

			Moreover, the release of Revenge of the Dark is on the somewhat distant horizon. If the game is to be considered canon, the character is going to be explicitly referred to as "Dark Rayman" over the course of the game, as the primary antagonist, which would make the title of this article a bit silly.