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Contradictory edits are flooding in from various people, all of whom seem to be convinced that their interpretation is correct. I've been reverting them to keep the article neutral, but we can't keep this up forever. What should we do? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 
Contradictory edits are flooding in from various people, all of whom seem to be convinced that their interpretation is correct. I've been reverting them to keep the article neutral, but we can't keep this up forever. What should we do? —[[User:Spiraldoor|Spiraldoor]] [[File:IconSpiralDoor.png|link=User:Spiraldoor]] 18:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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:I'm quite sure Mr Dark is the Magician... This seems the most simple and reasonable explanation to me. The impersonation thing seems to be a bit complex.
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:—[[Image:Easy Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] [[User:Rayspola|RaySpola]] [[Image:Hard Race RK.PNG|link=User:Rayspola]] 21:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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GBC version

Mr. Dark (the member) put WAY too much GBC stuff here. There's about twenty images of the Mr Dark fight from the GBC version, and the Final Fight paragraph treats the GBC version is if it's the REAL version. This is frickin' unacceptable.

  • First off, sign you posts plz, four tildes [~], simple as. I kinda agree there, there's LOADS of this, in fact I've been meaning to clean up some of the less important ones. -- RKartHead.gif StaceyW 16:56, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Darkman

Where does that name come from? I've never heard about it! —Hunchman801 22:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

In the Hoodlum article at the bottom of the page there's an interview with some guy. It claims his name is 'Darkman'. Iheckler9 07:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
It's an interview with Rayman 3's character designer. He gives Mr Dark and the hunter passing mentions when talking about his inspiration for the Hoodlums, and he happens to get Mr Dark's name wrong. I found the mistake somehow endearing, and I didn't think it appropriate to edit the man's words, so I put a [sic] after 'Darkman'. I found the interview on RaymanZone. linkSpiraldoor 13:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I've just realised that iHeckler added the name to Mr Dark's page – I thought this was the Talk:Hoodlum page! Hunch is right, the name doesn't belong here. It was a just a mistake by the interviewee, and he's never called 'Darkman' anywhere else. By no means is it to be taken as canon! —Spiraldoor 13:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

His HP in GBC

I noticed that the HP in the article is related to the original Rayman 1, but what about the GBC version? Shouldn't it be also listed?

I cannot determine exactly his resistance because he acts differently in this version, 1 HP? 3 HP? More?

Here's the link for quick reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzitQyU-sYI

--Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 15:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

He takes three times three hits, so 9 HP? —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 16:34, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Mr Dark has 9 HP in this version. At the beginning of the battle he conjures three bluish energy balls. He then attacks Rayman by raining small fireballs down on him, then curling up into a ball of electricity – this is when Rayman finally gets to attack him. Each punch causes Mr Dark to shrink down to a smaller ball; after three hits (3 HP), the first of the battle's three stages is over. Mr Dark appears at the top of the screen: he now has two bluish energy balls instead of three. The second stage involves larger fireballs, and the third (and final) one involves lightning strikes. Rayman must punch Mr Dark three times in each of the three stages – that adds up to a total of 9 HP, unless charging his fist has some effect on the fight (which I doubt). (I typed all of this before seeing Hunch's response, by the way.) —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 16:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
No, the charged fist doesn't increase damage. It only makes the fist go further. OK, I'll go with 9 HP too. --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 16:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Image uploading error

I've been trying to upload an image (the one Matyuv took of Mr Dark in the trailer) but whenever I try it gives me the following error:

Could not create directory "temp/7/79".

Is anyone else experiencing this problem? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 14:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

It is happening the same thing to me. Huuuuunch? --Sparkle.gifHarukaSparkle.gif 15:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
It's the same for me. It's a problem for every image! —RaySpola 20:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
The problem should be solved now, I was able to upload the image: see File:Mrdarkteensie1.jpg. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 20:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


Irrelevant picture

Even when Mr. Dark was beaten in the same level, I think this picture doesn't have anything to do with Mr. Dark himself:


File:RaymanSaturnFin.jpg

The same image can be found in the Moons article, so there's no reason to repeat it. Also, some space is required, because there's a new image of Mr Dark (The one from Rayman Origins) that should be used as his new profile picture (because it's the newest). The place where it's situated right now deforms the wiki, so I'm going to replace the picture of Mr Dark using his binoculars with the new image from Rayman Origins, and then I'm going replace the irrelevant picture of the moons with the image of Mr Dark using his binoculars (so it won't get lost).--Sergiomonty 04:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm personally against the removal of this image, since I value the differences between versions a lot. In fact, before RayWiki was created, very little people knew of those differences, and none of them as much as we do now. I would appreciate other opinions though. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 20:35, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Hybrids vs transformations

Taking into account the final fight in the Jaguar version, do you think it's safe to assume that the three hybrid bosses fought by Rayman at the end of the game are indeed Mr Dark shifting his form? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 19:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't get it, how does that video demostrate that Mr Dark didn't use any trasformation? Anyway, I'm against that idea too, and I find it as a kind of stupid theory since we can clearly see two bosses at the same time (I'm talking about the Space Mama heads with with moskito bodies). --Sergiomonty 20:22, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand what's different in this version actually. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 20:27, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Me neither, I can't find any difference. --Sergiomonty 20:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I'll just quote my post in the Rayman 1 thread:
In the other versions, the three hybrids each have their own health bars (albeit each with Mr Dark’s face), and Rayman actually defeats all of them. In this version, the two hybrids share a single health bar, and when half of Skopsstone’s health is gone, he voluntarily walks off the screen and is replaced by the Moskito thing, which literally flies away of its own volition when it’s defeated. When you look at it all together (not to mention the fact that the Moskito Space Mamas literally share a health bar simultaneously, further suggesting they’re the same being), it definitely points towards Mr Dark as a shapeshifter – and I say this as someone who’s always assumed the hybrids to be creatures in their own right.
Drolpiraat agrees, and also points out that the boss seems to sweat and pant whenever his health runs low, as if he realises that his tactics are not working and decides he must try a different approach. —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 21:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Good point. I've always understood the scene as Mr Dark transforming into hybrids of the previous bosses, not only due to the health bar but also because it simply made more sense to me. So, with further evidence supporting this thesis, I think it might be the occasion to clear things up in the article. —RRRGBAIcon8.pngRRRGBAIcon0.gifRRRGBAIcon1.png 23:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Well...since mr dark is actually you-know-who, it is possible. He can use his powers to even clone himself (and that would also explain the educational games...oopsies)--Sergiomonty 05:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Wait a second! I think changing the whole article like this is too dramatic. I kind of agree, but we just can't tell officially if those are transformations. Sure, they share a health bar, but isn't it possible that the health bar is for "Mr Dark's army" and there's no other way to explain that name than mr dark's face? Remember spiraldoor, it is still possible that he escaped. You can say it's a possibility, but don't change it like this because you think it's obvious. --Sergiomonty 15:33, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Anything is possible, but the implication is definitely that they're the same being. In the Jaguar version, Skopsstone and Moskito-Sax-Mama are literally the only two enemies in the game that flee rather than get defeated. That has to signify something. What do you think the sweating is supposed to mean, if they're just 'Mr Dark's army'? Why does the final hybrid fly into the air if he's some sort of separate being created by Mr Dark – are you saying he's still out there somewhere, flying around? What other explanation is there for the phenomenon of *two Space Mama heads and Moskito bodies appearing at the same time*, if not that they're simply an illusory formation taken by Mr Dark? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 15:58, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay then, but I'm still not convinced enough... --Sergiomonty 18:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Mr Dark vs the Magician

All right, we've got a problem here. Rayman Origins does not make it clear who the villain is. I can see three possibilities, all of which are supported to various degrees by the game itself, the manual and site, and the early script:

  • Mr Dark is impersonating the Magician.
  • The Magician is impersonating Mr Dark.
  • Mr Dark and the Magician were the same character all along.

Contradictory edits are flooding in from various people, all of whom seem to be convinced that their interpretation is correct. I've been reverting them to keep the article neutral, but we can't keep this up forever. What should we do? —Spiraldoor IconSpiralDoor.png 18:02, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite sure Mr Dark is the Magician... This seems the most simple and reasonable explanation to me. The impersonation thing seems to be a bit complex.
Easy Race RK.PNG RaySpola Hard Race RK.PNG 21:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)