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references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Rock_TBT » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:16 am

There are some references in Rayman 3 that are absent in Raywiki. I have added some of them, but I am sure there are more.

"The game contains intentional references to the comic book series Bone by Jeff Smith, the books of L'Ursula Le Guin and to Hayao Miyazaki's movies (Princess Mononoke, Totoro, etc.)"

I have no idea what those are. Could someone clarify that and give specific examples?

Could someone post a picture of the Star Trek reference, because I don´t know what they are.

Also, I am uncertain whether this reference is a common form of speech, or a direct reference (or both).

"Make him eat his hood!" is a reference to how Uncle Scrooge and Flintheart Glomgold challenges each other to eat their own hats if the lose in Carl Barks comics.


"I will serve you Rayman's head on a platter" by André is a reference to how during the French Revolution they literally and metaphorically served the heads of the enemies, and the expression has since become integrated into language.


P.S I have a suggestion a new section that could be added to RayWiki called "Commentary", which would be a section about the motives used in the games. For example, "Land of the living dead" uses the motives of Stone Henge and cave paintings and that Razoof´s mansion is a reference to the English tradition of hunting including the red color and the use of iambic pentamter. The factory-level is taken straight from the Industiral revolution.

Link: https://raymanpc.com/wiki/en/Rayman_3

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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Steo » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:02 am

While you're on the subject of Rayman 3, there are also a lot of quotes missing from the wiki for multiple characters. I've noticed a numerous occasions that I'd have a quote on my mind, then when I looked it up on the wiki it was absent.

I might know a couple off the top of my head, but I'd rather confirm them first.

The one is even missing where you get the first laser detergent and iirc, Murfy says "RAYMAN NO! It belongs to the hoodlums, it could be dangerous!" Then something like "don't try to make a nervous wreck out of me", though I'm unsure about that last part and I'd rather double check it.

That's just one example of the many missing quotes.
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Hunchman801 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:41 pm

I'm afraid a clean-up is due in the latest additions to the references section.
"Abracadabra" is a reference to Houdini.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, abracadabra's first occurrence is in the second century works of Serenus Sammonicus, which I'm afraid vastly predate Harry Houdini's antics. :P
"I will serve you Rayman's head on a platter" by André is a reference to how during the French Revolution they literally and metaphorically served the heads of the enemies, and the expression has since become integrated into language.
The heads of the executed were shown to the crowds throughout history, not just during the French Revolution. This is most likely to reference to Herod Antipas' stepdaughter Salome who had Saint John the Baptist beheaded and his head served to her on a platter, though I wouldn't be surprised if one could find older occurrences of this lovely tradition.
"Buffalo Bill" is a reference to the cowboy with the same name.
Not sure what this is doing in the books section.
"I came, I saw, I kicked some butt." is a parody of Julius Ceasar´s famous quote "I came, I saw, I won".
Same.
The magic mirror seen in the Bog of Murk, is a reference to "Alice Through the Looking Glass".
Possible but still fairly dubious.
"Make him eat his hood!" is a reference to how Uncle Scrooge and Flintheart Glomgold challenges each other to eat their own hats if the lose in Carl Barks comics.
Or maybe just an adaptation of the phrase “eat one's hat”, given that the subject is a Hoodlum?
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Steo » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:48 pm

For the Alice one, "Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There" is a novel from 1871, so presumably that would have been the first source to come up with such an idea. It's highly likely that the reference is from that fairy tale, but if you think it's dubious I can remove it.

I don't think I've ever seen anything else with the idea of climbing through a mirror that predates that, though I'm sure someone else here will know if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Also, does it make sense to have movie ones as novels instead, if they had a novel that predated the film by decades?
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Rock_TBT » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:24 pm

This is a clever one.

The mini-game is called "special invaders", which is a reference to the arcade-game "space invaders".

Also, Ceasar´s quote was published in his book about the gallic wars and Buffallo Bill was first mentioned in a book as a written account.

I think it is just a random mirror though.

"glute is a relative concept", I think it is a Einstein reference.

This is a really sneaky one. Razoff´s hat is a reference to the helmets worn by Otto von Bismark´s army and Razoff shoots arrows like Count Zeroff. Count Zeroff was austrian/russian (I tink). This is confirmed by the developers in a making of-video.

There is a Spider-man reference. "Not even Spidy could do this" by Globox.

"Armaguidon" is a reference to armageddon. No doubt about that.

The frog-turning thing must a reference to old fiary tales.

The giant chauldron must be a referene to told fairy tales.

More references can be found here: https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... s+rayman+3

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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Hunchman801 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:55 pm

Steo wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:48 pm
For the Alice one, "Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There" is a novel from 1871, so presumably that would have been the first source to come up with such an idea. It's highly likely that the reference is from that fairy tale, but if you think it's dubious I can remove it.

I don't think I've ever seen anything else with the idea of climbing through a mirror that predates that, though I'm sure someone else here will know if I'm wrong.
Oh I've read this book many times, I just thought that there would have been older occurrences of people traveling through mirrors in literature or lore. In any case, it's not so much a reference as some kind of a trope now, so I'm not sure it's particularly worthy of being mentioned, but it's just my two cents!
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Also, Ceasar´s quote was published in his book about the gallic wars and Buffallo Bill was first mentioned in a book as a written account.
I couldn't find any such mention in the Gallic Wars, maybe you can point me to the right spot? In any case, because something or someone was mentioned in a book doesn't mean any reference to that thing of person is a reference to the book.
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"glute is a relative concept", I think it is a Einstein reference.
Well, as Einstein once said, “please stop mis-quoting me on the internet”.
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Steo » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:00 pm

I've removed it, but even if it is a reference, the quote references are what we're really looking for anyway.
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Rock_TBT » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:02 pm

Steo wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:00 pm
I've removed it, but even if it is a reference, the quote references are what we're really looking for anyway.
Strange that there are no Shakespeare quote in the game. The Last Supper is a reference to the Bible, since the painting is a reference to it.

Yeah, you´re right Hunchmann. It is a reference to history.

I don´t know if it is a reference per say, but the factory has a assembly line, which was invented by Henry ford. A reference?

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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Hunchman801 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:18 pm

Rock_TBT wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:02 pm
I don´t know if it is a reference per say, but the factory has a assembly line, which was invented by Henry ford. A reference?
Factory lines have become so common an invention that I doubt they're a reference to anything else here. Or so would be every wheel, bridge, arch and rifle in the game, to name only a few of the countless inventions society is based on.
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Rock_TBT » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:20 pm

How did the game developers come up with these references? Were they really that educated in culture?

I still have no clue about the Hiyaous Miyazaki references.

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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Steo » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:49 am

It's "defeat is a relative concept" also, not glute. I recall Globox saying it when you hit him.

I think it's more of a joke than a reference, because I'm pretty sure most people would say "success is a relative concept", along with the fact that his friend just hit him.
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Re: references in Rayman 3 - help

Post by Rock_TBT » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:02 am

Uncle Sam reference in trailer. "we want you".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4a6OtSgutg

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