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saerleiya wrote:
Keane wrote:Kind of. Something that will just immediately turn me away is when I'm willing to be a little more open and I get flat out rejected.
I'm sorry to tell you this, Keane, but if you want to be more open, it's like anything: you will have to try things and see what works and what doesn't work with people, as you are unique, so like everybody, you will need to find the right way for you to exchange with people (not only simply talking, but the way you express yourself). And believe me, at the beginning, you will get "flat out rejected" a good number of times.

Don't forget not to overreact too much about people's reactions. You are not in their mind: sometimes they are just not in the mood, or something else is worrying them. In the case of your family, if you want to talk about anything with your mother or your brother, and they tell you they don't have time for this, then try again later. There is nothing bad in trying and getting a negative answer, this is how you build confidence in yourself.
Keane wrote:As for online, RPC's just kind of a different thing I think. I can't name anyone here who's got that kind of shallowness that I really can't stand.
I would like to put a little point here: RPC is a place where expression is, almost all the time, shared with other people through writing. And writing shows very little of what a person is. Sure, we can talk about a lot of things here, but remember that here there are no usual conversation blockers like physical appearance, glances, behaviour thingies, and hush-hush...ing?

I remember when I was talking with Shrooblord or Hunchman only by writing at the beginning, and then I met them on Skype. Although it only made my opinion about them way better (seriously, you guys are nice to chill out with), the difference between before and after was significant in terms of the representation I had of them.

So, Keane, do not forget to try to find nice people you can do things with in your more "common", day-to-day life. It's important, it helps you feel better and gain self-confidence. I was like you in my teenage years: anxious about other people's views, shy (and rejected). I simply needed to find nice guys I could hang around with. And I didn't meet most of them during high school or middle school, where it's obvious that people who don't want to belong to a group or a specific code are a bit rejected by their peers (it's a bit like that here, and according to what I read, even more extreme in the US). Do not lose faith, but do not think it will happen like magic one day. Work on it. You will feel even more self-satisfied if you manage to make something you are not naturally comfortable with work.
Oh yeah, I know RPC doesn't show the in and out of a person. I'm more just saying that we're not the divided, judgemental type community that a lot other forums tend to have.

And I know what you're saying, and I agree. I don't really care about what people think of me, it's just that anxiety forces me to. Think of it like this: You ask someone out on a date, and they think you're a likable person with good looks, but they hate your glasses and reject you over it. Probably you would realise that they're shallow and you're actually kinda glad that you didn't enter a date with someone like that. With SA, you'll feel like shit and hate yourself, and only after that you realise the actual thing going on. There's no stopping that, it's just something that I will need to learn to overcome and I definitely think that a big step towards battling that would be to simply interact with more people, but I'm just not really in a posistion to do that right now.

But, yeah, I think how you describe how your situation was is exactly what I'm going through. Just trying to find people who I can really warm up to and create a good relationship with. And I've got patience, but, just gets hard sometimes.
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+ Finally legit-beated Fred Fucks in Normal mode!
+ The new Christmas theme is awesome!
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+ I've succeeded in identifying all the up and coming dancers that I met last weekend. Most are out of London though!
+ Finally got around to 100%ing my R3 GBA cartridge, I'd kept putting it off
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+ just had a chuckle at this while playing Dwarf Fortress:
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I'm sorry to hear about your gran, Addy. Let's remember her by all the times she made you laugh and smile, okay? (:


Warning - incredibly wordyTM Shrooblord post inbound.
I haven't visited this topic in a few days.
Keane wrote:my mother wanting me to be some sort of overly optimistic, stereotypical teenager.
I know that may not be as much of a consolation as I'd like it to be, but I know more people around my age (teens to early twentiers) who are depressed than those who aren't. You're not alone, you know. There's tons of people around who feel just as shitty as you do. Maybe sharing each other's problems with one of those people may help you more than we can. One of my friends is a very depressed girl and she has a saying: "Broken people fixing broken people" by which she basically means that she's able to connect much better with people who have been through a lot of tough shit and feel down quite a lot than with people who haven't, even though I'm one of those latter types of people and we're good friends regardless.
Keane wrote:RPC is just a place where I know everyone so well and for such a long time that I almost have a sort of family like relationship with this place.
I feel exactly the same. I regard near to everyone, if not everyone, on this forum as part of my huge, online, quirky yet absolutely lovely family.
Keane wrote:It's this endless cycle of feeling uncomfortable during the school hours, then at night I let it all slide down and I feel comfortable for a bit, and then once it ends it hits me that I'm gonna have to go back to how I felt earlier and I suddenly realise just what a fucking weird situation it really is. And it just goes on.
I've recently had an experience just like that. I wanted to write about it here, but then realised I might as well wouldn't. I guess it was because I feared you'd (you, the reader) think lesser of me. I'll offer my experience up to you (you, Keane) now, perhaps as a way to try and connect.

I'd landed in a spiral of emotions with multiple-tiered thoughts going on in the background. I'd experience an emotion, step one level out and see that I was experiencing that emotion, stepping one more level out and wondering how silly that was that I was experiencing and truly feeling it, yet still able to be so rational about it, stepping a fourth and final level out and seeing that I had been experiencing that emotion in a chain of other emotions like it, all following each other in a clearly defined and excellently timed loop. I'd go through fear, confusion, pain, sorrow, extreme joy and unbelievable giggles, relief about being happy again after feeling so rotten and then right back to fear. And while all of this was going on, another level of thought was added, which was like it was my mind looking down on it all from some sort of control tower, realising what the loop was, realising how long the loop took to run its course and realising that all of it was completely unavoidable and there was nothing I could do to stop it. And yet I was able to step outside of it, stepping into that control tower. This made me scared. It filled me with the incredible paranoia that I felt like a machine - I felt, I truly believed I was programming running through a stuck loop of timers I couldn't stop myself from, but I was still able to observe as an outsider. It made me want to cry. But I couldn't - since I was stuck in other emotions.

--Interjection to this story:
And know that I adore machines as no other. I love to think that there's more to them than meets the eye, more than we give them credit for. But realising that I myself am a beautifully intricate, biological machine made me scared for some reason. I guess I realised part of myself that had before been undefined.
Maybe we're never meant to understand ourselves to the fullest extent. Maybe our minds are too small for it (or maybe it's just mine that is).
--End of interjection

I slept that off eventually and thank god I've not experienced anything like it since, but it made me realise something: we are intricate and such incredible, beautifully complex beings. We have so much going on in our brains at one single point in time that I believe our subconcious hides from us so we aren't to go completely mental. It was very busy in my head while I experienced those thought-loops, but after I stopped having them, I was able to appreciate their beauty. It is crowded in your head. All kinds of thoughts and flashes of ideas are trying to make themselves the largest voice that will enter your concious mind. I think, for a brief two hours, I was exposed to not having that blockade that a normal concience puts in you (and with good reason).

What I guess I'm trying to say is this: yes, Keane, you feel miserable. You feel unappreciated. You fear unappreciation. You don't want to talk about it with your family (is it because you fear their unappreciation?) - but if you don't talk to them, you must find someone you can talk to. We're here for you, but it will never be the same reading others' words as hearing another's voice. Sometimes there's incredible relief in finding out that someone shares an opinion with you, that you are not the only one thinking something.
In the end, my message to you is: know that you are not alone. And you will never be alone. But you gotta reach out to others sometimes, man. If you reject them out of fear of being rejected, what are you doing to them is precisely what you fear they'd do to you! Don't push people away because you fear your being you will push them away. If something about you is going to feel unappealing to the other, they'll leave you on their own accord. But give them a chance to like you, and you may find yourself with a great friend in your life.


saerleyia wrote:And writing shows very little of what a person is.
I'd like to disagree. Though I'm okay with most of the points you bring up after you say this, a person's writing can still very much show what they are like. After all, these words I say still come from my heart - I mean most of them with the utmost sincerity (disregarding trolling or joking around) and I emphasise most of my sentences so much because I'd like to make clear what emotion drives them. I'm very open in that regard - I like transparent relations between anyone I speak with and I despise when people 'act' around me. If you're gonna think a certain way about me, speak your mind. If you plan to take advantage of me for humour or for whatever other reason, then you're a rotten arsehole and need to go on a camping trip to the dark side of the moon. In your pyjamas. Thank you very much and goodbye.
Jewish Candy wrote:-- I was thinking about a thing that I mustn't think about, but didn't even realise I was thinking about it. :? It just felt so normal.
I find myself criticising myself sometimes on the things I think of, thinking something along the lines of "That's really not an okay thing to even want to think of" or "How could you even 'say' that?" - I'd like to think that's my moral compass still ringing loud and true and I welcome those second-level thoughts. The first-level ones, well, I'll see them as the dark side we all harbour within us. But it makes us grand, if we acknowledge it and then show it we will live by different ways, thinking those dark thoughts only in flashes of strange whimsy, something I may even attribute to random change trying to present itself, trying to see if indeed I would like to evolve into that path (after which I tell it "no thank you, I'd like to continue with my current morals instead"). Thinking about it that way, maybe it's micro-level evolution. eh eh now i got my science glands all excited

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- After coming to the 'mirroring the rig' part of the tutorial and having heard about why you can't mirror it this and that way easily, I suddenly realised I had to recreate most of my work for the other side of the body now, too.
- Rigging sucks.
+ Rigging really doesn't suck. I get excited over each little joint I'm able to animate with ease after I'm done hooking it up.
- It's just so damn confusing from time to time. It makes my brain go ow-ow.

- I wasn't happy reading what people have been going through the last few days. I hope (the) Christmas (holidays) will end up brightening a few of ya up.
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Booblord wrote:One of my friends is a very depressed girl and she has a saying: "Broken people fixing broken people" by which she basically means that she's able to connect much better with people who have been through a lot of tough shit and feel down quite a lot than with people who haven't, even though I'm one of those latter types of people and we're good friends regardless.
I can second this.

Just to clarify now my head's in a better place - the thoughts I'd had weren't immoral/sacreligious/'too sexy for the canned dish' or anything.
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(Which is one of the reasons I somewhat dislike not having been through tough times even though the very notion of that is bullshit - I'm very lucky to be how I am - incredibly happy with no real cause; perhaps it's better to see it as 'not unhappy because I don't have a reason to be'. Most days I'm incredibly thankful for it, but sometimes it makes it harder to talk with people I'd like to - or to understand them.)

Regardless, y'all better get better real soon, or Imma have to *spank* a smile on yo face!
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– Feel like a boor for whining on this topic yesterday considering what other people have to go through. I really do feel for you.
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Shrooblord wrote: Regardless, y'all better get better real soon, or Imma have to *spank* a smile on yo face!
o . o

in other news you know i....kind of sympathise with all this. especially the stepping levels out of my thoughts thing, like i do that all the time? it kind of makes me feel (and i feel like this a lot) that i'm not actually feeling what i currently am or having that emotion. i just sort of feel like i'm faking it or manipulating people (even when i'm alone??? i guess i'm manipulating myself lol)

it's kind of fucked.
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MLII wrote:in other news you know i....kind of sympathise with all this. especially the stepping levels out of my thoughts thing, like i do that all the time? it kind of makes me feel (and i feel like this a lot) that i'm not actually feeling what i currently am or having that emotion. i just sort of feel like i'm faking it or manipulating people (even when i'm alone??? i guess i'm manipulating myself lol)
Okay, I actually get paranoid that I'm doing this too, though in all honesty I doubt my fear's got basis in reality. I naturally have a flat affect so I've had to train my face to smile when I'm happy, frown when concerned etc. So my inner feelings aren't faked, but because the physical outworkings of them are faked in a sense, I find myself worrying that I'm just play-pretending emotions and fooling even myself. It's probably not the same thing as you, but what you wrote definitely struck a chord.

- Plum shouldn't feel he's a boor/bore/boar/Boer/uboaaa for posting, everyone has different stuff to deal with :o
- We're Daily Doldrumsing in the +/- Topic 8)
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Jewish Candy wrote:...when I'm happy, frown when concerned etc. So my inner feelings aren't faked, but because the physical outworkings of them are faked in a sense, I find myself worrying that I'm just play-pretending emotions and fooling even myself. It's probably not the same thing as you, but what you wrote definitely struck a chord...
I was actually thinking about this the other day when looking in the mirror, in my head I was like "My outward expression of emotions are a learned skill, but that doesn't mean they're not genuine" and I came to the conclusion that this is probably true of everyone, and most people just don't notice it

+ I'm not aloooooone
- I am, physically, alone
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+ You're nooooot alooooone

+ Y'all are great and have made me want to share
- Y'all have made me want to share, and I just can't gauge 'personal but helps others' and 'doesn't help others also too much real'
- What a weird forum to be doing this on
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Before I write something :
Shrooblord wrote:
[color=#FF0000]saerleyia[/color] wrote:
I don't know this guy ;)
Jewish Candy wrote:
[color=#FF0000]Booblord[/color] wrote:
Huehuehuehue :devil:
Shrooblord wrote:
saerleyia wrote:And writing shows very little of what a person is.
I'd like to disagree. Though I'm okay with most of the points you bring up after you say this, a person's writing can still very much show what they are like. After all, these words I say still come from my heart - I mean most of them with the utmost sincerity (disregarding trolling or joking around) and I emphasise most of my sentences so much because I'd like to make clear what emotion drives them. I'm very open in that regard - I like transparent relations between anyone I speak with and I despise when people 'act' around me. If you're gonna think a certain way about me, speak your mind. If you plan to take advantage of me for humour or for whatever other reason, then you're a rotten arsehole and need to go on a camping trip to the dark side of the moon. In your pyjamas. Thank you very much and goodbye.
They can show what they are like, but it is flatened, emotionless, deformated. While you are reading these lines, you can't picture how I could say them, with which intonation I could prononciate them to encourage a very particular, lively interpretation of them, yo ucan't see how I behave, how my appearance is also representative of my opinion while I'm talking. Besides, written words can be read, over, and over, and over again. Their original sense can be therefore deformated over time. Written words are heavy on your mind if you read them multiple times. If they are so, it's because you are missing information to know exactly what a person would mean through them.

A transparent relation, although many people want to achieve it through the Internet, is not possible here because you have a big wall of pixels between you and the other person. I can speak my mind about you, but even if I'm doing it very sincerely, there is a great chance you are picturing it the wrong way because you are simply missing information about my message.

Expressing in a very understandable way on the Internet is VERY hard. A single smiley in a one-line dark humour sentence about another person (or a group of people) can have a very heavy impact on the way it will be understood by them. And some people are not fond of forgiving around there.
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+ Finished all my Christmas Calendar videos! :D
+ Going to the Hobbit tomorrow (technically today, hehe)
- Tired as fuck
+ Today was a productive day
+ Dinner I made was amazing!
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MrBadGuy wrote:I was actually thinking about this the other day when looking in the mirror, in my head I was like "My outward expression of emotions are a learned skill, but that doesn't mean they're not genuine" and I came to the conclusion that this is probably true of everyone, and most people just don't notice it
Both are true, in a sense. When we're babies, we learn from our parents or others around us how to perform facial expressions. Babies are constantly mimicking the faces they see, learning. That doesn't mean they're faking it - when they feel another's pain or pleasure (trust me, especially young ones are extremely sensitive to sensing emotions), they see the faces people make when expressing those emotions and they learn to associate a certain expression with a certain emotion. This then makes their own expression and their emotion when using that expression intertwined.

There's a feedback loop in it too. If you're feeling down and you smile ludicrously - like, say you stick a pencil between your teeth, forcing a smile -, you will feel happier over time. It's not just happiness that feeds into a smile - a smile also feeds back into happiness (maybe that's how you get the giggles as well).


If you feel that you're being a faker, try to figure out why you think that. Are you being too harsh on yourself? Are you (relatively) inexperienced in tieing facial expressions to the emotions they represent and does it therefore feel alien when you use them? Are you a faker?
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Oh, wow. Fucking Half-Life.
The game suddenly glitched me up, and guess what.
I installed the game 4 minutes ago. Uninstalling.
I hate you, Gaben.
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Forgetting some arithmetic operators, my dear Sugar?
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PluMGMK wrote:Forgetting some arithmetic operators, my dear Sugar?
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*Press 1 to get pwnd.
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Hey, what I did was perfectly fine, I was just reacting to Sugar's post. Sugar, on the other hand, introduced an entirely new topic without the appropriate operators. :msholierthanthou:
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