Rayman & Rayman 2 The Great Escape against the others

[Adsolution]

Nice attempt at bringing back discussion, but that unfortunately has nothing to do with the original topic. That being said, I'm not sure if anyone has anything more to say.

To answer your question anyway: Rayman 1, because I regularly practice speedrunning it now. Rayman 2 on occasion, usually in an attempt to mod the map files.

[DandyGuy]

Nice attempt at bringing back discussion, but that unfortunately has nothing to do with the original topic. That being said, I'm not sure if anyone has anything more to say.

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[Greeness]

yeah I also mostly play Rayman 3, a habit of mine is to experiment with the super jump glitch and see how I can get out of bounce, I also would like to speedrun it someday, other then that sometimes I revisit 2 and origins

[Eren]

I usually play Rayman 3 because I try to improve my score.

[barIx]

First of all I want to thank the sensitivity of the forum's moderators for reopening my thread.

but you guys realise I actually spent a while on those replies, right? I'd like to think that I'm not totally wasting my time.

I hope so too in my case.

I'm sick right now

I'm sorry, I hope you heal soon.



At last contradict that it be once again closed because it's a thread ready to emerge at any time and ever so current.

I extend greetings to all and see you soon.

[DandyGuy]

Did you just make another account?
Anyways, what Rayman game do you prefer?

[barIx]

Did you just make another account?
Anyways, what Rayman game do you prefer?

Initially in 1996 my absolute favorite was Rayman. Then in 2000 I discovered Rayman 2 The Great Escape and has literally blow my mind.

Therefore Rayman 2 The Great Escape (followed of course by Rayman)

Having been possessor of the whole series I can admit that between 2002 and 2003 the last Rayman which me more or less involved were Rayman Rush and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc. But I think they already represents the beginning of the current decline of the series before that Rayman Raving Rabbids gave the definitive grace coup.

However Rayman for life! (without forgetting the other great games of the past)

What's your?

[Greeness]

I think you should try to replay the newer Rayman games (3-legends) who knows, maybe you'll find yourself seeing something in these games that you haven't seen in your last playthroughs.

[OCG]

I find this thread completely ridiculous and the fact that OP made over 5 accounts even more ridiculous.
While I myself prefer R1 and R2 over R3, your reasons are completely lame. Also, Origins/Legends Globox is way better

[barlx]

I think you should try to replay the newer Rayman games (3-legends) who knows, maybe you'll find yourself seeing something in these games that you haven't seen in your last playthroughs.

As I explained during the first three pages of thread that I played and compared all the titles of the Rayman series, from 1996 (year when I discovered this great character) to date.
I completed Rayman Origins and I don't liked it, apart some initial landscape backgrounds and a just more dynamic gameplay (almost identical to Rayman 3 apart some more new motor skills), but from my point of view these two aspects, especially if lowly present, don't make of a title a valid title. As for Rayman Legends I just tried it because I don't liked it from immediately.

However I have already explained and motivated my reasons earlier, just go to read.

I find this thread completely ridiculous

Your opinion. As there are people who think like you, there are others who think like me.

and the fact that OP made over 5 accounts even more ridiculous.

This site is done well. Simply I have chosen not to have stable account here and nowhere. That's my fault, I recognize!

your reasons are completely lame

There are actually three pages of thread in which I explained and motivated my reasons that seem everything but lame.

Also, Origins/Legends Globox is way better

Still your opinion. I respect.



Making a thought apart, the thing that makes me smile is that if I were a critic with license would certainly have been taken more seriously. Since I'm not a critic but an ordinary guy my opinion are treated as "ridiculous" because in contrast to the contemporary majority opinion.
I motivated and compared every aspect of what I wrote with answers, images, videos, evidences and in general with my own personal culture, experience and "why not?" tastes, but apart Adsolution (whom I respect) all have only been able to say: "ridiculous", "stupid", "idiotic" or worse even to go away closing the thread.
Who's able just to insult is ridiculous!

[Greeness]

Making a thought apart, the thing that makes me smile is that if I were a critic with license would certainly have been taken more seriously. Since I'm not a critic but an ordinary guy my opinion are treated as "ridiculous" because in contrast to the contemporary majority opinion.
I motivated and compared every aspect of what I wrote with answers, images, videos, evidences and in general with my own personal culture, experience and "why not?" tastes, but apart Adsolution (whom I respect) all have only been able to say: "ridiculous", "stupid", "idiotic" or worse even to go away closing the thread.
Who's able just to insult is ridiculous!

Hey, I never said your opinion was stupid or tried to insult you, but critics mostly look on the positives and the negatives of a topic/game/movie/etc, the main problem (at least my main problem) with your criticism is that you just looked at the negatives of the games after R2 and not the positives, you also disliked aspects just because they weren't like what you remembered or used to know in the old games, and to some of us that was really painful to hear, since we grew up on games like R3, Revolution and Rayman M. It's not that I don't respect your opinion but, the way you criticised the games was just too harsh and painful to read, heck you didn't even look at the negatives of R1 and R2 just because you grew on them and they were made by Ancel (Or I guess young Ancel for you because apparently now he doesn't make good games) so I hope that'll may clear things up for you a little, and I'm sorry for saying anything disrespectful to you.

(Also mostly offical critics are stupid and don't have a valid opinion)

[need my speed]

Might it be simply that you dislike the 'rushing' that started appearing in Rayman 3 - the combo mode - and was extremely much present in Origins and Legends - lums floating away to disappear, beyond the obvious 'rushy' level design?

[Sabertooth]

How do you feel about gay people?

[br1x]

Hey, I never said your opinion was stupid or tried to insult you, but critics mostly look on the positives and the negatives of a topic/game/movie/etc, the main problem (at least my main problem) with your criticism is that you just looked at the negatives of the games after R2 and not the positives, you also disliked aspects just because they weren't like what you remembered or used to know in the old games, and to some of us that was really painful to hear, since we grew up on games like R3, Revolution and Rayman M. It's not that I don't respect your opinion but, the way you criticised the games was just too harsh and painful to read, heck you didn't even look at the negatives of R1 and R2 just because you grew on them and they were made by Ancel (Or I guess young Ancel for you because apparently now he doesn't make good games) so I hope that'll may clear things up for you a little

You not, I know.
Listen, leaving aside Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends which for me are really inexcusable for every single reason that I explained earlier, and turning my attention solely towards Rayman M and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc I can tell you that I haven't mentioned only the negative aspects.
Let me explain, I only say that when in a game/movie etc. the negative aspects, approximate and more or less tacky begin to play a crucial role it's normal that the positive ones fade into the background.
I have mentioned all negative aspects of Rayman M and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc, and don't believe that they are just a minor thing. While the negative aspects of Rayman and Rayman 2 The Great Escape, if there are, are so marginal to make these two valid titles, or however much more valid than Rayman M and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc, that's all.

It's true, as yourself said, that opinions are personal and subjective, absolutely right! But let me show what I didn't write

"Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc was seen as being mediocre, effectively turning its back on the mix of fantasy, humour, and story that had gained the previous games acclaim, and instead creating a game that was satrical about the genre, and series as a whole."

Nintendo Power article points out that Rayman 3 was generally seen from the fans as somewhat of a disappointment related to Rayman 2. The whole deal wasn't the humor--yeah, zombie chickens and such seemed silly, but at least their existence had some grounds and didn't appear just for kicks; R3 missed the atmosphere, seriousness, and strong storyline that the previous two games had--the gameplay was a huge difference as well. Much shorter, switching to the point system, and just the gameplay overall broke away from the traditional line and was considered by fans familiar with the series a stepdown. The developers focused on humour rather than the elements that made the predecessors what they are, and the fact Michel Ancel took no part in the development is a big factor. In fact, he stated somewhere that R3 didn't all reach his level of expectation. RobbieG 14:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to show this because have succinctly expressed what even I complaining. And discussions like this are many. So if I'm not alone that say this, don't you think that there's some truth and therefore undeniable?

Look, it's obvious that if I compare Rayman M and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc to Rayman Origins and Rayman Legends, the first two would be masterpieces for me. But from my point of view are all two weak titles, especially Rayman M.

Also I grew up and I had fun with Rayman Rush and Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc just like you.
In fact I can say that Rayman Rush is definitely better than Rayman M (and I'm not crazy) since, from below of its only 32-bits, retains most the essence of the game. In this version there aren't those hideous, ridiculous and useless skins present in Rayman M and therefore in Rayman Rush every character remain more or less unchanged than Rayman 2 The Great Escape (those who belong), there are no Teensies in sadomasochistic position and above all it's not clear why the 32-bit and 64-bit make the characters much more expressive and charismatic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSoVEb8httY (in the 32-bit version they seem expressive, with their personalities)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JJSWqTW5Vg (in the 128-bit version Rayman and especially Globox seem distracted, by blankly look, almost mechanical)

Just Rayman Rush was a good game, but unfortunately weakened by the concepts of Rayman M (Arena for GameCube and Xbox is even worse in my opinion): childish and silly the introductory movie that have ridiculed every character in game, the presence of Razorwife (but we joke!), Tily and the poor Razorbeard turned into a loser.
Fortunately Rayman Rush outside of these aspects has nothing wrong but these aren't trivial issues.

Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc was also pleasant, but unfortunately he is too contaminated with bulls**t that have nothing to do with this series.
Can you believe that Globox fart in a game like Rayman? Can you believe that languages ​​are selected through undergarments? Can you believe that Rayman fall down into Begoniax bathroom while Begoniax is sh*****g? Can you believe that in a Rayman game Begoniax almost rape Razoff? Can you believe that the invasion of a planet by a dark force is treated without the essential seriousness? Tell me, please!?

I wonder why someone has taken a picture of how transforms Globox's lower belly after swallowing André!?



You don't seem ambiguous and silly by serious developers.

I'm sorry but you don't ever seen crap like this in Rayman and Rayman 2 The Great Escape.

(Also mostly offical critics are stupid and don't have a valid opinion)

Okay. In this case that's my. There are who likes and who not, as all opinions.

and I'm sorry for saying anything disrespectful to you.

I didn't understand what you mean, but if I mean well say what you want. No grudge.

Might it be simply that you dislike the 'rushing' that started appearing in Rayman 3 - the combo mode - and was extremely much present in Origins and Legends - lums floating away to disappear, beyond the obvious 'rushy' level design?

I explained everything above.

How do you feel about gay people?

This is clearly a joke and I'm not going to get off topic. However, I'll answer anyway since someone thinks I'm a bigot, I have nothing against gays, they are people like others.

[Maz]

Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc was also pleasant, but unfortunately he is too contaminated with bulls**t that have nothing to do with this series, with whole Rayman my friends.

U wot? It may be true that Rayman 3 is nothing like its predecessors, but then again, Rayman 2 was nothing like R1 either. So why don't you complain about R2?

Can you believe that Globox fart in a game like Rayman?

First off, André farted, not Globox. Secondly, farting is natural. Granted, the world of Rayman is anything but, but there's not reason to be so appalled by this. Also, it was hilarious when he farted.

Can you believe that Rayman fall down into Begoniax bathroom while Begoniax is sh*****g?

Yes, we can. It literally happened in the game.

And why is that a problem? The awkwardness of the situation is what makes it funny, and a funny moment every now and then is exactly what you need to counter the otherwise dark atmosphere of BOM.

Can you believe that in a Rayman game Begoniax almost rape Razoff?

You think that Globox farted, not André, and now you're saying she tried to rape Razoff? I don't mean to be rude, but maybe you should at least fact-check before you voice your complaints, because this is not true at all. She wanted him to put her into submission - that's two entirely different things. It is in no way implicated that Bégoniax ever tried to rape Razoff.

Can you believe that the invasion of a planet by a dark force is treated without the essential seriousness?

Ever watched an action comedy? It's called humor. Maybe not your taste, but I know quite a few people who loved the funny scenes this game had to offer. Not to mention the extras, those were hilarious to me when I first watched them.

I personally think that R3 (along with R1, because nostalgia) is actually the best Rayman game. I played Rayman 2 twice maybe, and that was it. Don't get me wrong, R2 is still a good game, but it's very linear and could get boring quickly. Not to mention some parts could get REALLY frustrating (riding Sssam in the marshes at times; and trying to get all 50 Lums in the Fairy Glade before I knew about the Echoing caves was driving me nuts).

What made R3 so great to me was the introduction to a scoring system. For someone competitive in nature like me, it gave a reason to play the game over and over. I've finished R3 like 20 times, and I've yet to get bored of it because I can always find ways to get even more Points. Whereas in Rayman 2, once you get all the Lums and Cages, you're done with the game; there's literally nothing else to do. That's why I think that in terms of pure gameplay, R2 just can't compare to Rayman 3. Thus, R3 is the better game to me.

[br1x]

U wot? It may be true that Rayman 3 is nothing like its predecessors, but then again, Rayman 2 was nothing like R1 either. So why don't you complain about R2?

Because Rayman and Rayman 2 The Great Escape are practically at par in my opinion, rather the second it's also more beautiful, but still remain at par.
The first balancing perfectly healthy humor to seriousness, while the second is more serious. The third one gives precedence to stunted humor almost putting aside the seriousness.

First off, André farted, not Globox. Secondly, farting is natural. Granted, the world of Rayman is anything but, but there's not reason to be so appalled by this. Also, it was hilarious when he farted.

First off, what has to do with the Rayman's series style such crap. Secondly, if André fart inside Globox, then Globox to fart!

Yes, we can. It literally happened in the game.

And why is that a problem? The awkwardness of the situation is what makes it funny, and a funny moment every now and then is exactly what you need to counter the otherwise dark atmosphere of BOM.

Also in this case, what has to do with the Rayman's series style such crap!! One of the beauties of the Rayman series was just to emphasize its dark atmosphere, how Rayman and Rayman 2 The Great Escape.

There wasn't need to waste that dark atmosphere of BOM with that introduction.

You think that Globox farted, not André, and now you're saying she tried to rape Razoff? I don't mean to be rude, but maybe you should at least fact-check before you voice your complaints, because this is not true at all. She wanted him to put her into submission - that's two entirely different things. It is in no way implicated that Bégoniax ever tried to rape Razoff.

if André fart inside Globox, then Globox to fart!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4OE1VJkKkQ

I played Rayman 2 twice maybe, and that was it. Don't get me wrong, R2 is still a good game, but it's very linear and could get boring quickly. Not to mention some parts could get REALLY frustrating (riding Sssam in the marshes at times; and trying to get all 50 Lums in the Fairy Glade before I knew about the Echoing caves was driving me nuts).

Not your case, I understand. But I often read of people who literally hate Rayman 2. As usual the most sophisticated things people avoid them because do they think, reflect.

I personally think that R3 (along with R1, because nostalgia) is actually the best Rayman game.

In my case was Rayman 3, in fact I only played once because to play it a second time it would have bored me.

Ever watched an action comedy? It's called humor. Maybe not your taste, but I know quite a few people who loved the funny scenes this game had to offer. Not to mention the extras, those were hilarious to me when I first watched them.

Rayman isn't an action comedy. Rayman is a fantasy platformer! Leave the action comedy to Jackie Chan please.

I've finished R3 like 20 times, and I've yet to get bored of it because I can always find ways to get even more Points. Whereas in Rayman 2, once you get all the Lums and Cages, you're done with the game; there's literally nothing else to do.

Play it 20 times, to make maybe (with or without combo mode) 1000 more points!? Over a certain score you can not go, then he is also limited. As you see, also regardless score system is a completed game, finished, and therefore not infinite like you say.
If to make 1000 more points you must repeat 20 times the same levels and see the same things you allow that it is not anything innovative.

there's literally nothing else to do. That's why I think that in terms of pure gameplay, R2 just can't compare to Rayman 3.

Play it 20 times, to make maybe (with or without combo mode) 1000 more points!? Over a certain score you can not go, then he is also limited. As you see, also regardless score system is a completed game, finished, and therefore not infinite like you say.
If to make 1000 more points you must repeat 20 times the same levels and see the same things you allow that it is not anything innovative.

[Maz]

Okay, I read some of your posts before this, which is why I commented on this in the first place. You basically confirmed my suspicions that your posts say "Rayman 3 sucks because I say so". No point in discussing further.

Edit: Okay, so you edited your post after I answered. If you only played R3 once, then I guess you just didn't care about the whole scoring aspect. Fine by me.

Also, your link to the video just confirmed what I said. Bégoniax says that she needs to be grounded and punished. That's not even close to raping Razoff.

Edit2: Another edit? Why don't you just respond to my comment as a whole first?

Rayman isn't an action comedy. Rayman is a fantasy platformer! Leave the action comedy to Jackie Chan please.

I just gave you a perfectly good argument of how the end of the world can be portraited with humor (action coms, for example). I never said that Rayman 3 is an action comedy, I just brought that up to show that your argument was kinda weak. You CAN go through the end of the world without taking it all that seriously, and R3 in my opinion does a fine job at that. Again, if that's not your taste, fine. But you should at least be able to understand that R3 follows a very succesful concept in that regard.

Over a certain score you can not go, then he is also limited.

lol

[br1x]

Okay, I read some of your posts before this, which is why I commented on this in the first place. You basically confirmed my suspicions that your posts say "Rayman 3 sucks because I say so". No point in discussing further.

Rayman 3 Hoodlum Havoc was also pleasant, but unfortunately he is too contaminated with bulls**t that have nothing to do with this series.
Can you believe that Globox fart in a game like Rayman? Can you believe that languages ​​are selected through undergarments? Can you believe that Rayman fall down into Begoniax bathroom while Begoniax is sh*****g? Can you believe that in a Rayman game Begoniax almost rape Razoff? Can you believe that the invasion of a planet by a dark force is treated without the essential seriousness? Tell me, please!?

Bégoniax says that she needs to be grounded and punished

What changes. But this is a platform game or a porn shop's dvd?! Yuck!

I just gave you a perfectly good argument of how the end of the world can be portraited with humor (action coms, for example). I never said that Rayman 3 is an action comedy, I just brought that up to show that your argument was kinda weak. You CAN go through the end of the world without taking it all that seriously, and R3 in my opinion does a fine job at that. Again, if that's not your taste, fine. But you should at least be able to understand that R3 follows a very succesful concept in that regard.

Doubt that my reasons are weak. However, forgive I repeat myself but...

Can you believe that the invasion of a planet by a dark force is treated without the essential seriousness?

And I have been kind, because the plot is treated almost without seriousness.

Another edit? Why don't you just respond to my comment as a whole first?

Because I'm not english and I have to correct many words with the translator.

[Maz]

You say it was pleasant, then continue to bash it with a wall of text. I didn't see you bringing up any positive aspects of R3 at all.

Also, just look at your post (assuming you didn't edit it AGAIN after I posted this): Whenever I make an argument, your response is "Rayman 3 is crap". I say farting is natural, you say Rayman 3 is crap. I try to explain why people may think that Rayman "trespassing" on Bégoniax may be funny, you say Rayman 3 is crap.

And earlier on you said that the bad things outweigh the good things in Rayman M/Rayman 3. How can you find a game with more bad things to it pleasant? Aren't you contradicting yourself?

The third one gives precedence to stunted humor almost putting aside the seriousness.

Outside of a few scenes, most of the "humor" comes from Globox begin, well... Globox. But then again he's sort of a joke character anyway. (I mean, the dude was the pirates' second worst enemy because of an effing rain dance)

One of the beauties of the Rayman series was just to emphasize its dark atmosphere, how Rayman and Rayman 2 The Great Escape.

Rayman 1? Dark atmosphere? You mean, like, Candy Château? Or Space Mama going at you with a freaking washing machine?

Secondly, if André fart inside Globox, then Globox to fart!

So if I fart while inside my house, my house farts as well?

What changes.

Let me give you an example:

When a situation where one of my female friends would want to beat the living daylights out of me presents itself, I sometimes jokingly say that I wouldn't mind being punished by them. Then they just laugh it off. Done.

Now what do you think would happen if I tried to rape these very friends? Would they still just laugh it off? Yeah, right. It's a HUGE difference.

But it's a platform game or a porn shop's dvd. That wretchdness!

So, ~10 scenes with a total duration of maybe 5 minutes in a game that you may very well sit many hours on turns it into a porno? Come on, dude

Edit:

Because I'm not english and I have to correct many words with the translator.

You just did it again. You don't just correct words. You added whole passages after you already posted.

And I have been kind, because the plot is treated almost without seriousness.

Another example of you just ignoring my arguments. I said your argument is weak because action comedies don't take the end of the world seriously, just like R3, but do you hate action comdies because of that? Appearently you don't, since you're a fan of Jackie Chan. Whether or not that is how R3 should have been is not for you to decide, but for the game developpers. You said yourself that R2 was different from the original. Well, they wanted to make R3 different as well, appearently.

And now look at your counter-argument: "My reasons are not weak, and R3 sucks because it doesn't take the end of the world seriously." You completely failed to give thought-out arguments for your reaoning, you almost completely ignored my points, and now you just went back to saying "R3 sucks because I say so".

[Sabertooth]

Why do you dislike humor so much? Do you only like it when things are serious? Personally I play video games to have fun and enjoy myself, and humor helps me to do that. If Rayman 3 were up its own ass with gravity then I don't think it would be nearly as memorable of a game.