Is the Magician from Rayman Origins the same one from the original Rayman?

[Alexinator]

and why is he a teensie now?

[StelzenBomber]

They changed him to make rayman a "unique " species



I do not belieave that at all


IMO those 2 are not the same

EDIT: i beleave hes a "Clone" made by either a bad dream of polocus or jano

[Titenoute]

Yeah, "unique"

It's not like one game later those guys appeared.

And where presented as individuals, and not skins.

And don't get me started on the mysterious girlfriend we find in the relics on vita version of Origins.



where are you, you elusive creature, and what happened to you ?

[The Jonster]

Honestly, it's hard for me to connect the lore explained in the past three games with the stories explained in the 2 UbiArt games.

[Titenoute]

For me Origins is where they completely gave up on making sense on the lore.
And that's ironic Origins actually seemed like THE game who would have tied everything together. I really wish to know what the hell happened during the development of the game.

[The Jonster]

And that's why I can't be as invested in those two games as I was in the first three games, I loved the lore explained in the first three games. I also so far like the way the two UbiArt games are too. But they just don't seem to blend in with each other, they feel like different universes altogether.

[PluMGMK]

I've said it before, that (ignoring Rayman Junior) the Magician was never really presented as a good guy in Rayman 1 anyway. All he does is make cynical quips about the situation, and change currencies (Tings for lives).

As for why he turned into a Teensie, well, there's the theory I had a few years ago whereby himself and Mister Dark were Griskins, who had the power to take on "humanoid" forms before Palmito decimated the species.

Also, that stuff about Rayman's girlfriend, being exclusive to a handheld version, is best ignored.

[The Jonster]

Hm, if that was the case, do you have any theories on what the Magician was doing with all those Tings he stole from Rayman?

[StelzenBomber]

AT least rayman 1 2 and 3 where kinda connected

at ubiart they basicly said f u to story

lets see what would happen in rayman 4 if it will exist

[WizardMinecraft]

If the continuity of the 1st 3 rayman games continues with R4, the magician would probably be in his original form

[Steo]

I honestly don't even care if the story doesn't make sense anymore, once the game is good

Honestly Origins is one of my favourites and I was a long time R1 fan.

Edit: Though saying that, there's a limit on how much messing about they can do before it sways too far from the norm as people would say.

[Titenoute]

If the continuity of the 1st 3 rayman games continues with R4, the magician would probably be in his original form

Would he ? Unless the series goes on a hiatus for a few years, i doubt they'd do that, since they already used the current public of players to see the Magician as a Teensie.
It was already confusing for the old timers the first time when they brought him up as a teensie. So changing him again ?
Not so sure since it could confuse the current new public AKA the people who discovered Rayman mostly with the Ubiart period. And most of them may not have known the old games.
I'm pretty sure the Ubisoft commercials are more focused on these newcomers than the old timers.

Also, yeaaah, it's tempting to make the old games separate entities from the Ubiarts games (VERY TEMPTING) but we don't have proof it's the case.

[StelzenBomber]

If the continuity of the 1st 3 rayman games continues with R4, the magician would probably be in his original form

Would he ? Unless the series goes on a hiatus for a few years, i doubt they'd do that, since they already used the current public of players to see the Magician as a Teensie.
It was already confusing for the old timers the first time when they brought him up as a teensie. So changing him again ?
Not so sure since it could confuse the current new public AKA the people who discovered Rayman mostly with the Ubiart period. And most of them may not have known the old games.
I'm pretty sure the Ubisoft commercials are more focused on these newcomers than the old timers.

Also, yeaaah, it's tempting to make the old games separate entities from the Ubiarts games (VERY TEMPTING) but we don't have proof it's the case.

we kinda do
in rayman 2 there are only 1000 lums

but in Origins and ledgends infinite

[Titenoute]

That'd be a pretty damn subtle difference.
That's something that is actually discussed on the french part of the forum.

In there boomboleros7 makes the interesting point that while it's been said in the World's Knowledge that to make a silver lums, fairies need a yellow, a blue, a red and purple lums to create it.
Meaning that if a silver lums is created, the restoration of the Heart of World is not possible.
But we still have the possibility to reassemble 1000 lums at the end of the game, even with Ly creating silver lums for us.
So even in R2, it's possible that there wasn't just 1000 lums.

We're not out of the possibility they are growing in number with time.

[PluMGMK]

Further down the page there's also my "quantum-mechanical explanation". Basically the yellow Lums in Rayman 2 are "gamma-ray photons" released by the nuclear fission reaction that was the destruction of the Protoon/Heart, and the Super yellow Lums are photons with five times more energy than the others. Then the infinite Lums in Origins are "x-ray photons", which are the Bremsstrahlung produced by Electoons flying all over the place.
It's a highly specific theory, but one of many that can be used to justify the fact that there are infinite Lums in Origins, by saying they are not the same thing as the 1000 in Rayman 2.

Hm, if that was the case, do you have any theories on what the Magician was doing with all those Tings he stole from Rayman?

It hadn't occurred to me to go that far actually! Still, it's hard to get a handle on it. I mean, we don't really know what Tings are useful for, do we?

[Titenoute]

They're fairies that gives powers to Rayman in a Gameboy game no ?

[PluMGMK]

True. In that case, I'd rather not imagine what the Magician did with them… Or maybe they turned him good temporarily, which led to his being trusted with the Book of Knowledge, accounting for Rayman Junior.

[WizardMinecraft]

But we never see tings in any main series rayman game starting from R2

[Steo]

I just stick to my opinion that Rayman is Rayman and that means it's good

[WizardMinecraft]

Makes sense. a rayman is a rayman you can't say its ½ a rayman(Exepct game ogres, dosnt matter.)