the gb election!

[MLII]

you're welcome uwu

in all honesty though as much as i'm prolly biast bc uRRGH conservatives it kind of says something that what 75%?? of the country didn't want them in and they like,, won. :/ i do think this sort of thing is why we need a better voting system bc quite frankly this takes democratic legitimacy and chucks it out of the window

i study this shit at a level lol @ people who think i don't know what i'm talking about

re candish and the duhondt formula; from what i can gather it's a much better system yeah! i don't understand it myself because maths confuses me (and i may have to take it at AS if i spent three year and college whoopdedo) but it seems p logically sound! the unfortunate thing is if ur a safe big party like the tories or labour you're not going to want proportional representation bc then it kind of makes you a little less safe :')

[Hunchman801]

Eh, I don't really understand why anyone would vote torys unless they're rich.

Some take into account the economy of the country and their values more than their personal finances. It's not that simple.

Tories or not I'll still have to pay the GDP of Togo in taxes every year so I can't say they're helping much as far as my wallet is concerned.

[LoveMetal]

Eh, I don't really understand why anyone would vote torys unless they're rich.

They have many economical policies that would benefit richs, poors and the middle class (would classify myself in the last category).
Reduction of tax rates, free trade deals, control of public spending and welfare abuses, lowering minimum wage, zero hour contracts...

And they also provide several policies which are more in the common sense : more selective education system, forbid family reunification, support nuclear energy while there isn't any public subsidy...

But there are also a lot of political opinions that I don't share with them, mostly about military, social, and human rights decisions.

[Ambidextroid]

Still, the more likely people to vote Tories are rich, and it's basically just because they're rich, not because they care about the economy. Sure, there are people who legitimately vote Tories because of their policies concerning the country's well being, but not most.
I'm poor or anything so there's no specific reason why I should want to vote Labour for personal gain, <'s dad's a GP so he's paid well. I just don't want the NHS to go to shit and the country to turn into a survival of the fittest situation.

Also, I can't understand how lowering the minimum wage would be a good thing, and zero hour contracts aren't very good either for most people.

[LoveMetal]

If 37% of the british population was rich, it would be a very good thing, but even the word 'rich' wouldn't have any sense then.

Some words about NHS privatisation. When you live in a country that has almost £1,500 milions in debt and where creditors begin to turn their backs, you need to do some serious savings. Moreover, and people tends to forget this point, NHS is a monopoly. A public monopoly, maybe, but still a monopoly.
And there isn't any worst thing for the GDP than a public monopoly. These also tend to be very rigid, and they fail to forecast to the long term, when private services succeed by their diversity.

Personnaly, I'm for the total privatisation of NHS and any public health service. Of course it doesn't mean that we don't have to help the poorest to afford these services. We could offer, for instance, monthly welfare vouchers.

For the minimum wage I have exact opposite views: I don't see how increasing it would have a positive effect. With a high beginning salary, you force bosses to hire few, and the employees will hardly climb the salary ladder. In the long term, you could even see a growing inflation, especially with a national money as your pound.
With a low minimum wage, unemployment would be greatly reduced. Better for the workers: easier to find a job and you would have a way better negociation margin with your entreprise, and better for the bosses: more productivity.

I didn't studied zero hour contracts, but if you see downsides, you'd be kind to list them here!

[PluMGMK]

Since the next election happens to coincide with my last working day this calendar year, I decided for the craic to go and watch some of the Johnson-Corbyn debate live. Incidentally, with some codec issues, the only way I could do it was by starting a Steam game (Portal FWIW) and using the in-game overlay browser.

Still, it was worth it.

[PluMGMK]

I'm hearing people on the radio debating why "Get Brexit done" worked as a slogan while "Strong and Stable" or "Let's keep the Recovery going" (over here) didn't. To my mind, it's quite simple: people are sick of Brexit. Heck, even I'd probably have voted for him if I'd been living over there for the past few years…

On the other hand, "Strong and Stable", and a putative "Recovery" simply didn't match with people's perception of reality, so why on earth would they listen?

[Steo]

I was watching the Brexit countdown on the news the other day, I really can't help but wonder how it's going to affect people...

[Hunchman801]

Is this really going to affect anyone?

[PluMGMK]

The frighteningly short transition period may well affect lots of people, if there's nothing in place this time next year.

[Steo]

I guess only time will tell, it will mainly affect England more than anyone else, and I heard Scotland were even talking about trying to rejoin the EU.

[PluMGMK]

I guess it's only fair, given that Scotland seems to have been duped into staying in the UK by the promise that it was the easiest way to remain in the EU. (Or maybe I've recollected that incorrectly…) Either way, it's sad to see all this division propagating.

[Hunchman801]

Some big companies threatened to move to mainland Europe, but have any of them done it yet? Maybe they're just waiting for potential immigration agreements, though.

[PluMGMK]

long story short: the tories got in and we're fucked.

This remark has aged extraordinarily well…

[Hunchman801]

Now it's Sunak's turn, hopefully he'll last longer than Truss.

[Chacanger]

Now it's Sunak's turn, hopefully he'll last longer than Truss.

The funny thing is most of the public don't like him whether your left or right wing. So the Tories are toast.

• The left wing hate him because he's a billionaire and a hedge fund manager.

• The right wing hate him because he's a big government member who's part of the WEF.

Unfortunately my country always plays ping pong between the 2 awful main parties (sometimes a 3rd awful party) and don't go for alternatives so we are in a perpetual cycle of doom. I guess that's what happens when you don't have a proportional representation voting system.

Those that argue well the other parties may not be experienced, just look at the last 25 years of "experience".

And yes none of those main parties get my vote.

[PluMGMK]

I hear the next election's been set for the fourth of July… Funny date, that…

[Greengoop]

My mum keeps going on about the election and I don’t know what’s so special about something that has a split chance of changing anything. Do you mean July 4th because that’s the very USAian day or is it something else I’m missing

[PluMGMK]

Do you mean July 4th because that’s the very USAian day or is it something else I’m missing

Yeah, that's all I'm getting at there

Anyhoo, I shall be watching from the sidelines as usual!

[Hunchman801]

Anything interesting about this year's election? I barely follow French politics anymore, so you can imagine how little I know about what is going on across the channel.