Unpopular opinions on Rayman

[Greengoop]

Anyways here’s a good opinion to balance out the unpopular ones: Jungle Run and Fiesta Run were the best mobile games.

I like both of them a lot too. But I prefer adventures. I assume you like those two because they are most like a traditional rayman game

[dr_st]

I like all Rayman games I played. Well, maybe for the exception of Hoodlums' Revenge, but that was just a bad game technically.

[Greengoop]

The only rayman game I’ve played that I didn’t like was rayman 2, but I still got some enjoyment out of it

[The Jonster]

You should try finishing it sometime in order to get the full enjoyment (or displeasure ig if negative) you could get from Rayman 2. In fact I can say this about all 3 games, since you’ve mentioned you didn’t finish any of them. You got this!

Anyways here’s a good opinion to balance out the unpopular ones: Jungle Run and Fiesta Run were the best mobile games.

I like both of them a lot too. But I prefer adventures. I assume you like those two because they are most like a traditional rayman game

Uhhhhh, I recall those were both runner games?? How is that traditional??? I understand Adventures when you say that, but…

[Hugo]

I said that steo is an exception because he said he likes rayman origins, while most older rayman fans fire at it for absolutely no reason at all

Their reason is not "no reason at all."

I do sympathize with your view that a lot of people seem to hate it unfairly simply because they weren't open to trying something new and rejected it from the outset.

But here's a thought experiment. What if Rayman Origins wasn't a Rayman game, but a brand new game with the same aesthetic but a different IP. Those haters might have been more willing to accept it on its own terms, or they could just as easily reject it because it was never a style they wanted in the first place.

You present very good arguments that Rayman 2 is clunky, murky etc. and essentially doesn't do what other Rayman games do much better. But you seem to expect that if your assessment is correct, others must be blinded by nostalgia. I don't think any of your criticisms are exaggerated and to some degree I agree with them. But these reasons cannot trump their reasons.

[Greengoop]

But here's a thought experiment. What if Rayman Origins wasn't a Rayman game, but a brand new game with the same aesthetic but a different IP. Those haters might have been more willing to accept it on its own terms, or they could just as easily reject it because it was never a style they wanted in the first place.

I doubt a lot of you would’ve heard of it. And it would’ve attracted a different fanbase of probably younger people, who would certainly prefer it. Including me, which’d mean I probably wouldn’t be here today

(or displeasure ig if negative)

Why would I wanna make myself suffer even more?

Uhhhhh, I recall those were both runner games?? How is that traditional??? I understand Adventures when you say that, but…

That’s why I said it’s MORE traditional.

[Master]

I think I've already stated this before, but to reiterate, I've never had any issues with the gameplay style of Origins or Legends, they're genuinely fun games and well worthy of their acclaim. I don't think that's a controversial viewpoint to have. I think there's a lot of joy and passion in those titles, and I've definitely been irked by folks who seem keen to invalidate those games by any means simply because it's not what they want from the series.

The sticking point to which I see and what I personally don't necessarily disagree with seems more to come from the identity of the series, and how folks believe the series should portray itself, its world, and its lore. Consistent and deep lore does not a exemplary platformer necessarily make, but I feel like they can make games that bit more compelling. it's the reason why I think Mario Galaxy 1 remains my favourite of the 3D series, cause it conveyed space in a suprisingly atmospheric manner, but also had some deeper lore relating to characters like Rosalina and the Lumas. Does this mean I think the other Mario titles are garbage by comparison? Hell no, I've had a blast playing through many of the games that have followed Galaxy, and I think in some cases on the basis of gameplay, they can surprass Galaxy.

But as an overall experience. When it comes to the impression left on me, and what truly sticks in my memories, I think Galaxy wins out. (Although Bowser's Fury is close, and that wasn't even a full-length game.)

I joked about it long ago how we were turning into the Sonic fanbase being split by eras (Classic/Modern), and I think time has only proven that's not much of a joke as it is a fact. There's definitely a generational divide at this point, and I don't begrudge folks who like the UbiArt titles for being irked by the sneering that older fans partake in. But I think there is something to be said about feeling a bit left-out in light of the fact that only the last decade and a bit really gets any sort of attention these days, when Rayman's legacy is much deeper and varied than that.

TL;DR - Maybe there's a bit too much dogma when it comes to Rayman preferences, and perhaps some mutual respect is needed.

[Greengoop]

So are you telling me the reason I don’t like SMG1 is pretty much the same as why I don’t like R2?

[The Jonster]

Oh let me guess: you didn’t finish Super Mario Galaxy 1 either. You’re a very curious one indeed.

From that comment, my guess is that you like games that you can speed through quickly. Am I correct to assume this?

[Greengoop]

Oh let me guess: you didn’t finish Super Mario Galaxy 1 either. You’re a very curious one indeed.

Yeah, I didn’t get stuck, I just got really bored. Never played SMG2

[Master]

Honestly I'd say maybe give SMG2 a try in that case, from what I recall it's a lot more streamlined and to the point than SMG1 was.

[Greengoop]

I had only played SMG1 on the Switch release of super Mario 3D all stars (before it started to go for a ridiculously high price ) and I suppose I could boot SMG2 up on dolphin, assuming it’s a lot different from the first

[Master]

Core gameplay mechanics are more or less the same, but I find levels tend to be less open-ended from what I remember. I do admit it has been a while since I've played SMG2, but there is a definitely a more "gamey" feel to SMG2 vs SMG1.

[Greengoop]

Yeah, upon looking at it, the levels in SMG2 are full worlds rather than little round planets

[Adsolution]

Is it an unpopular opinion to say I think the GameCube amd Xbox versions of Arena are just so much worse than the original PC version? There are some minor graphical improvements like dynamic character shadows and some environmental effects, they absolutely destroyed most of the modes, they're not nearly as fun. The main menu also turned from one of the most visually interesting main menus ever to something that looks like it was made in flash in 1997

Yeah, I’d say all rayman games are good in their own way, and which one you prefer depends on what you’re looking for in a game

As much as I dislike Legends in the sense it pretty much isn't a Rayman game and it completely overshadows the far superior Origins in the mainstream eye, it's still... an okay game I guess It's so bland and boring I could never finish it though.

Rayman has never technically had an actually bad mainline entry

[Greengoop]

Is it an unpopular opinion to say I think the GameCube amd Xbox versions of Arena are just so much worse than the original PC version?

Unpopular, but I agree. The only downside is the lack of dark rayman/globox but I’m not playing on a GameCube/Xbox “controller” just for it

[The Jonster]

Is it an unpopular opinion to say I think the GameCube amd Xbox versions of Arena are just so much worse than the original PC version? There are some minor graphical improvements like dynamic character shadows and some environmental effects, they absolutely destroyed most of the modes, they're not nearly as fun. The main menu also turned from one of the most visually interesting main menus ever to something that looks like it was made in flash in 1997

Popolopoi mode >>>>>>> Time Attack Mode

I think what really disappoints me about that version of Arena is that fact that in each mode you’re always set up against pre-determined number of set characters, which are always the unlockable characters/skins and never the originals in single player mode unless you play as those skins.

[Master]

So I've just beaten Legends completely now (barring getting Lvl 11 Awesomeness and 1m Lums cause I ain't about that kind of grind), and if I'm being honest. I think I prefer Origins' levels more than I do Legends. Now in fairness, I am playing the Back to Origins versions which I know were tweaked, but just in general I found myself more engaged with them.

I think I'll do a proper Origins replay around the Christmas period, but call this a tentative unpopular opinion - I think Origins' level design and theming overall is more engaging than Legend's.

[Adsolution]

So I've just beaten Legends completely now (barring getting Lvl 11 Awesomeness and 1m Lums cause I ain't about that kind of grind), and if I'm being honest. I think I prefer Origins' levels more than I do Legends. Now in fairness, I am playing the Back to Origins versions which I know were tweaked, but just in general I found myself more engaged with them.

I think I'll do a proper Origins replay around the Christmas period, but call this a tentative unpopular opinion - I think Origins' level design and theming overall is more engaging than Legend's.

Oh I agree a billion percent, I'm really passionate in saying that Origins' level design is significantly better than Legends'. Every inch of Origins is tailored perfectly to the mechanics, so bendy, curvy and precise, and flowing through it is like butter. So many little tricks you can do like diving along little mounds and hills to to give you an extra boost just because you can. Most of legends is just running through flat, empty rooms and jumping sometimes, it's far more rigid and simplistic. Not to mention almost painfully easy to the point it almost puts me to sleep, whereas Origins actually engages my reflexes.

I don't even know how this is a controversial opinion, but apparently it is somehow

[Greengoop]

I’m a huge fan of legends, but even I agree with this one