Rayman remake rumor - confirmed by Ubisoft!

[Krith99z]

This is shaping up to be one of the most pointless remakes in gaming history. Aside from just adding extra levels, what can they even change? If they didn't want to make a 3D game, they should have just remastered Origins. It's not playable on modern hardware, it's just as good as Legends, and it wouldn't have required much effort.

[SuperSinge]

I can't believe they chose Legends over Rayman 2 or 3. We seriously need another 3D entry in the series.

Agreed. Even if they didn't do full remakes, they could have just done simple remasters like they did with Beyond Good & Evil or the Prince of Persia trilogy. Rayman 2 and 3 would be amazing as remakes. Even a remake of the original Rayman 1 using the UbiArt framework like Origins/Legends would have been cool. Remaking Legends of all things is such a baffling choice, especially since Origins is the one that's actually trapped on older hardware.

[Hugo]

I can't even call to mind a remake or remaster I've ever thought improved on the original.

Whether it's the graphics, the music, the controls, something gets lost in the process. It's a process that has a sterilizing effect. Make it shinier, glossier, rounder.

Convenience features can damage art, too: Assassin's Creed Resynced removes the entire modern day sections because there's no point remaking what the majority don't care for; also the sea shanties can be controlled like a playlist, completely obliterating the effect of your crew genuinely bursting into song. (Am I being too doomer here? Maybe pirate captains did demand song changes...)

These details make me start to doubt everything, and the graphics which are often stunning in their initial impression, start to show how the original artists made more informed choices with lighting and colour and so on. I get this feeling with the majority of remakes.

As for Rayman, what excites me now is mods. We have great programmers, artists, writers... everything we need here. Unfortunately they will always be small scale, because without funding we can't really carry through a big project from start to finish. But theoretically, I think that would be the most natural evolution of Rayman.

[Mortamon Saturn]

"Retold"? Is this a rip-off of the Age of Mythology remake by Microsoft?
Well, seems like we still can get some mileage out of my rant from some months ago
viewtopic.php?p=1550574#p1550574


REALLY... How can anyone at that company think for any second that remaking the latest mainline game with timeless visuals that has been ported to hell and "didn't meet sales expectations"... is NOW going to be the big sensation everyone will rush to buy? Ya know, the thing that should save the company that's not doing so good right now?
In the words of some very wise Nerd: WHAT. WERE. THEY. THINKING!?

This is shaping up to be one of the most pointless remakes in gaming history. Aside from just adding extra levels, what can they even change? If they didn't want to make a 3D game, they should have just remastered Origins. It's not playable on modern hardware, it's just as good as Legends, and it wouldn't have required much effort.

I can't believe they chose Legends over Rayman 2 or 3. We seriously need another 3D entry in the series.

I can't even call to mind a remake or remaster I've ever thought improved on the original.

Whether it's the graphics, the music, the controls, something gets lost in the process. It's a process that has a sterilizing effect. Make it shinier, glossier, rounder.

Convenience features can damage art, too: Assassin's Creed Resynced removes the entire modern day sections because there's no point remaking what the majority don't care for; also the sea shanties can be controlled like a playlist, completely obliterating the effect of your crew genuinely bursting into song. (Am I being too doomer here? Maybe pirate captains did demand song changes...)

These details make me start to doubt everything, and the graphics which are often stunning in their initial impression, start to show how the original artists made more informed choices with lighting and colour and so on. I get this feeling with the majority of remakes.

As for Rayman, what excites me now is mods. We have great programmers, artists, writers... everything we need here. Unfortunately they will always be small scale, because without funding we can't really carry through a big project from start to finish. But theoretically, I think that would be the most natural evolution of Rayman.

THIS, and all of THIS!...


Once again, who knoooows!... Maybe it will be a heck of a surprise and it will be the greatest hit classic ever!... I'm sure the devs poured their heart into making it the absolute best it can be despite the current situation and they have all of my respect for their work!...
But really... how can we have any hype for Legends again in lieu of a new game or some classic trilogy remake after getting the same soup reheated for 13 consecutive years?...
(15 if you count Origins )

[Flat Earth Society]

Classic Ubisoft logic. Fans beg for a new Rayman for years. So, they decide to remake a decade-old game that is still perfectly playable on almost every modern platform. Then, when nobody buys it, they'll blame the player base and lock the franchise away forever.

[DaveRattlehead]

I'd only understand this decision if the remake is a 3D version of Rayman Legends. Still, I'd have preferred remaking one of the classics...
The leaker says we'll have more information next week, so we'll see...

[Squiz]

I'd only understand this decision if the remake is a 3D version of Rayman Legends. Still, I'd have preferred remaking one of the classics...
The leaker says we'll have more information next week, so we'll see...

According to some sources, it’s 2.5D with some 3D sections

[DaveRattlehead]

it’s 2.5D with some 3D sections

No comment :/

[Xtof60]

That's a completely new Rayman logo. Maybe they plan to use it for Rayman 4 as well? A fresh logo design usually implies they are planning a wider reboot of the franchise.

Don't get me wrong, the logo looks really clean and well-designed, but it doesn't actually feel like "Rayman" to me at all. It honestly gives off major Spyro vibes instead. If you showed me that design without the name on it, my first thought would definitely be a new Spyro game rather than anything to do with our favorite limbless hero.

[hoodlumsworld]

Once again, who knoooows!... Maybe it will be a heck of a surprise and it will be the greatest hit classic ever!... I'm sure the devs poured their heart into making it the absolute best it can be despite the current situation and they have all of my respect for their work!...
But really... how can we have any hype for Legends again in lieu of a new game or some classic trilogy remake after getting the same soup reheated for 13 consecutive years?...
(15 if you count Origins )

Spot on. I have nothing but respect for the developers, and I'm sure they are doing the absolute best they can with what Ubisoft has given them. But the corporate decision-making here is just exhausting.

"Reheated soup" is the perfect way to put it. It’s almost impossible to build up any genuine hype for a game we already know front-to-back, especially when we’ve been starved for a true 3D sequel or a ground-up remake of the classic trilogy for so long. At this point, we've been eating the same meal for over a decade.

According to some sources, it’s 2.5D with some 3D sections

Ugh, that’s incredibly disappointing. If that's the case, I'm completely out. I have absolutely zero interest in playing the exact same game I've already beaten a dozen times just because they slapped a fresh coat of paint and some gimmick 3D sections on it. If we aren't getting a proper, fully 3D adventure, they should have just left Legends alone.

[Hugo]

"Retold"? Is this a rip-off of the Age of Mythology remake by Microsoft?
Well, seems like we still can get some mileage out of my rant from some months ago
viewtopic.php?p=1550574#p1550574

Glorious... your ranting is so artistic compared to mine

[Graystripe2000]

NateTheHate: Retold will have “new content and then some”. He also says he thinks it’ll surprise and impress people. Wondering if the 3D sections are linked to this.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/inside ... -155474947

[NotNateDrake]

it’s 2.5D with some 3D sections

NateTheHate: Retold will have “new content and then some”. He also says he thinks it’ll surprise and impress people. Wondering if the 3D sections are linked to this.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/inside ... -155474947

The 3D sections will be dragon rides.

[Graystripe2000]

Dragon rides would be pretty cool!

[Xtof60]

Dragon rides would be pretty cool!

Well, it definitely fits the new logo! At this rate, the "new content" is just going to be Rayman growing a tail and Murfy being replaced by Sparx the dragonfly.

[RayGamer99]

I've read through all the messages in this thread, and I've seen nothing but (completely warranted) bafflement and negativity. I'd like to try and cut through that and provide a more positive take on the news.

Now don't hear me wrong; I'm just as baffled as all of you are that Ubisoft is remaking a game already playable on literally every platform rather than one that people were actually asking for. However, let's look at the big picture here: if the leaks are to be believed, the developers at Ubisoft seem to be putting their backs into a console Rayman game for the first time in nearly 13 years! If nothing else, that ought to be reason for a small celebration, right?

In my mind, just because a game doesn't need to be made doesn't always mean that it's a bad thing that it was. Just look at the upcoming Star Fox remake coming out for Switch 2! Sure, the game being Star Fox 64 again was not received well at first, and the redesigns might not go over well for everyone (I have mixed feelings on them myself), but the game looks well-made enough that I'd assume reception to it has grown more positive since the reveal. And this, need I remind you, is a game that can already be played on the Switch 2 via NSO!

If, and this is a big IF for Ubisoft, the developers can add enough new content and upgrades to the existing game to make it feel worthwhile, I don't see why this is so bad. And who knows; maybe the devs getting back into the Rayman groove will spur them to make a new game down the line?

Personally, I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about it until we get more details during the State of Play on June 2nd, which is where leakers say it will be revealed. Hopefully the rest of you guys can keep an open mind about it as well.

Don't get me wrong, the logo looks really clean and well-designed, but it doesn't actually feel like "Rayman" to me at all. It honestly gives off major Spyro vibes instead. If you showed me that design without the name on it, my first thought would definitely be a new Spyro game rather than anything to do with our favorite limbless hero.

Agreed; though to be fair, almost every mainline Rayman game has come with a new logo design, so I guess it's not that out of character.

The 3D sections will be dragon rides.

See, there's already some new stuff they're adding! Thanks for the info, Na- sorry, NOT Nate!

[hoodlumsworld]

If, and this is a big IF for Ubisoft, the developers can add enough new content and upgrades to the existing game to make it feel worthwhile, I don't see why this is so bad. And who knows; maybe the devs getting back into the Rayman groove will spur them to make a new game down the line?

Honestly, I really appreciate this perspective, RayGamer. We definitely needed a healthy dose of optimism to balance out all the doom and gloom in here!

You make an excellent point about the bigger picture. The mere fact that a team at Ubisoft is finally being allowed to dedicate proper budget and resources to a console Rayman game again is absolutely a reason to celebrate, regardless of the weird choice of game. If this is what it takes to get the developers back in the groove and show corporate that the IP is still highly profitable, then maybe it really could pave the way for something better down the line.

And as for those 3D dragon rides... okay, I'll admit, if that's actually real, I'm willing to give it a fair chance. It sounds different enough that it could actually be a lot of fun if they pull it off properly!

I still firmly believe that remaking Legends was the absolute worst, most baffling decision they could have made out of the entire franchise. But if the devs are putting their hearts into it, I'm willing to keep a tiny sliver of an open mind for the State of Play next week. Let's hope they prove us all wrong!

[RayGamer99]

I still firmly believe that remaking Legends was the absolute worst, most baffling decision they could have made out of the entire franchise.

Out of the ENTIRE franchise? I dunno about you, but I think they definitely could have chosen worse games to remake than this...

...and here they are, neatly packed into one collection!

[Hunchman801]

If this is what it takes to get the developers back in the groove and show corporate that the IP is still highly profitable, then maybe it really could pave the way for something better down the line.

I really hope that isn't the logic Ubisoft is going to use to judge the future of the franchise, because I don't think the target audiences entirely overlap here. A lot of the fans who have spent years waiting for a proper 3D Rayman 4, or even a remake of the classic 3D trilogy, aren't necessarily going to be interested in buying a remake of Legends.

[NotNateDrake]

Out of the ENTIRE franchise? I dunno about you, but I think they definitely could have chosen worse games to remake than this...
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Retold may or may not include Rabbids.