The You Game!

[Holy Crap]

< thinks you could check teh mod logs

[Shawn]

< is watching Full Metal Alchemist.

[Holy Crap]

< is going now. bye!

[Xenon]

< thinks you could check teh mod logs

< thinks it would be better if Shawn told < the topic
Everything gets edited in that forum, you see. It would be hard to find it

[Shawn]

It's in the "Report: Mr. Dark" topic. It's somewhere on the last page.

[Xenon]

< has sorted out ^'s little problem

[Shawn]

< thanks ^.

[Tobbe]

< just got a new cell phone. < left <'s old one in the seat of the rental care we had in France. XD
Great excuse to get a new one, though, <'s old cell phone was crap.

[Shawn]

< has a disturbance in the force.
< thinks it's the skunk staring at me from outside my window.

[Tobbe]

< is re-reading parts of Richard Dawkins' masterpiece; The God Delusion.

[Shawn]

< hates people like ^ who think their way and race is the only correct one in the world.

[Tobbe]

When it comes to religion, yeah. It never seizes to amaze me how people can believe in a supernatural being, who not only created the universe and everything in it, but who also constantly watches, interferes with, and answeres both spoken and unspoken prayers for, the people living on the planet Earth. Christians also accept that about 2000 years ago, a man was born by a virgin, something science has showed us is impossible. They also accept that the same man a few years later brought back a man back from the dead, and that he himself died and came back to life three days later. While I admit that it is virtually impossible to prove 100% that God doesn't exist, it is equally impossible to prove that he does. It is in fact, harder to prove that he does, as there is no real evidence suggesting it. There is, however, a whole lot of evidence suggesting the opposite.
Religious people in general don't piss me off, I just don't have any respect for them, or at least their views. What actually does piss me off is Creationists. They claim that every organism on the planet is designed by a superhuman being. They do this with no proof whatsoever. Their single argument for Creationism goes like this: "<Insert anything brilliant thing from the flora or fauna of the world, say, 'the human immune system' or 'a flesh-easting plant> is a true marvel of nature. It is impossible that such a thing could possible exist purely by chance." They're, in a way, right. It is impossible that something like the human immune system could exist purely by chance. What they don't understand is that chance isn't the only alternative to design, Darwinian natural selection is. The human immune system and a flesh-eating plant are both the end products of a long line of slow altering of genetics, which is what we call natural selection; whoever has the genes best suited for its enviroment survives. A lot of creationists have tried to disprove natural selection, but none of them have succeeded. One Creationist once challenged the doctors of America to explain how the human immune system had developed by natural selection, thinking that he would definately succeed in disproving Darwin's theory, and was almost immideatly repsonded by 60 or so immunologists who could explain exactly how Darwinian natural selection had made us humans develop an immune system.
I'm a bit off the track here, but my point is the following: I am an atheist. I cannot absolutely prove the non-existance of God, but because there is overwhelming evidence suggesting that no such superhuman being exists, I choose to not believe in any form of God. It amazes me that so many people still believe in a all-powerful skygod who watches over us day and night when there is overwhelming evidence that this is not the case. My only explanation for this is that religion is hammered into the minds of people when they are children, and that it is very difficult to yank it out once you've let it in. Hence the statement: Religion is a virus of the mind.
So when you call me a narrow minded twat for not respecting you religious beliefs, I am insulted, because you are wrong. I can respect any of your other opinions. I could respect you if you thought America is the greatest country in the world, or if you were a vegetarian or vegan or whatever. The one thing I cannot respect you for is your religious beliefs, because they are all bullshit.

I finish with a quote from Douglas Adams (RIP). The very same quote that opens Richard Dawkins' masterpiece 'The God Delusion':
# Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?

[Shawn]

Amazing as it may seem, the most plausible answer to the question of why something exists rather than nothing is that God exists.

[Tobbe]

Why is that? It is because you have no other option. Science hasn't progressed enough to find the answer to the question of why we exist, but I am sure that one day it will. Humans have always concluded that God must be behind anything that we don't understand. Before Darwin wrote The Origin of the Species it was generally accepted that God had designed every living thing on the planet Earth because we couldn't possible imagine any other way.
Your argument that we exist, therefore a God must have created us, or at least the universe we live in isn't anywhere near good enough for one simple reason: If this universe exists because it was created by a God, then who created God? If you think this way then you will eventually realize that at some point something must have been created out of nothing, so why bother mixing God into the equasion. It is just as likely that all the atoms in this universe have existed forever, and will continue to exist maybe even beyond the end of this universe (if it ever ends, that is). Read 'The God Delusion', I dare you.

[Xenon]

Why is that? It is because you have no other option. Science hasn't progressed enough to find the answer to the question of why we exist, but I am sure that one day it will. Humans have always concluded that God must be behind anything that we don't understand. Before Darwin wrote The Origin of the Species it was generally accepted that God had designed every living thing on the planet Earth because we couldn't possible imagine any other way.
Your argument that we exist, therefore a God must have created us, or at least the universe we live in isn't anywhere near good enough for one simple reason: If this universe exists because it was created by a God, then who created God? If you think this way then you will eventually realize that at some point something must have been created out of nothing, so why bother mixing God into the equasion. It is just as likely that all the atoms in this universe have existed forever, and will continue to exist maybe even beyond the end of this universe (if it ever ends, that is). Read 'The God Delusion', I dare you.

Point well made.

However, you must realise that most Christians don't believe that the Bible is 100% accurate. Obviously, some occurances in The New Testement are outrageous. For instance, I am a Christian, but I don't believe that Jesus calmed the seas or moved the large rock as both examples contradict science. It's a flexible belief.

But while I'm here, I ask you both to respect each others' opinions and beliefs.

[Tobbe]

I have already stated that I cannot respect religion. I can tolerate it, though. I don't go around beating up gays because they happen to like sleeping with other men, which I find repulsive and have very little respect for.

[Xenon]

In moderator terms, I suppose 'respect' is equal to 'don't go around flaming other members', then

[Tobbe]

Pretty much.

[Xenon]

< is one of many people who seem to have completely forgot this was TYG
Wow, there's never been a debate here, I'm sure of it.

[Tobbe]

Let it be known that < won the great debate of religion in TYG by a margin wider than the Springfield Gorge!